• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:10
CET 18:10
KST 02:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
(325) 273-8255 Love spells In Anchorage, AK That w Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1926 users

Carmac responds to IEM Criticism: "Bring on the pitchforks…

Forum Index > SC2 General
418 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 19 20 21 Next All
Tuthur
Profile Joined July 2010
France985 Posts
January 19 2012 21:44 GMT
#21
Carmac keepin' it real, the only people to blame here are Blizzard I personally enjoyed the tournament so far, no complains here.
falafelnr1
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden444 Posts
January 19 2012 21:44 GMT
#22
Can't Intel hook you up with some good PC's? There has been lag in like all games where big battles happened. So to me it feels like the PC's are the main problem.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:46:06
January 19 2012 21:45 GMT
#23
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.
Live and Let Die!
Scareb
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany173 Posts
January 19 2012 21:46 GMT
#24
On January 20 2012 06:42 AysiktiriX wrote:
I sharpened my pitchfork good today, tomorrow I might have to start stabbing. (Ooh, SOTG will be on soon, I hope they have brought their pitchforks too, I'll definitely tune in.)


Judge IEM or ESL or the tourney at the end of it! I hope their is ironic in your post.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 19 2012 21:47 GMT
#25
I understand you, Carmac.

Won't give NightEnD his 2nd place spot though. That's what bothers me tbh, that someone ended up suffering for it.
#freeshauni
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
January 19 2012 21:49 GMT
#26
On January 20 2012 06:44 falafelnr1 wrote:
Can't Intel hook you up with some good PC's? There has been lag in like all games where big battles happened. So to me it feels like the PC's are the main problem.


The ESL has computer problems for over 10 years now. so it seems like intel cannot otherwise they already wouldve done it.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 19 2012 21:50 GMT
#27
On January 20 2012 06:45 Tommylew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.

I said that the problem appeard to me to be because of the internet there. I didn't comment on whether I think it is a big deal. However, sometimes situations aren't ideal, and if they are the same for everyone than sometimes you just have to play through it.
funkyfritter
Profile Joined May 2010
353 Posts
January 19 2012 21:50 GMT
#28
It stinks that this happened, but I'm still glad you came forward and explained the situation. I enjoyed the broadcast today despite the issues and have my fingers crossed that the rest of the tournament goes smoothly.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:51:38
January 19 2012 21:50 GMT
#29
On January 20 2012 06:39 Adebisi wrote:
I really feel this is more Blizzard's fault than IEMs...

Agree 100%. Two other games were going on simultaneously without issues, and the venue was clearly way above requirements. Only explanation is another battle.net issue.

EDIT: Talking about blizzard in post 666? What a glorious coincidence!
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
January 19 2012 21:52 GMT
#30
On January 20 2012 06:50 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:45 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.

I said that the problem appeard to me to be because of the internet there. I didn't comment on whether I think it is a big deal. However, sometimes situations aren't ideal, and if they are the same for everyone than sometimes you just have to play through it.

yeh but Carmac has mentioned above that it hasnt been the same for both players in thecas of naniwa and also probabbly ngihtend in the last game. Nightend must feel a bit bitter after that game, he may of had delay trying to deal with then muta too we dont and probably wont know.,..
Live and Let Die!
YMCApylons
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Taiwan359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:56:00
January 19 2012 21:52 GMT
#31
Good damage control, IEM. Just fix it for tomorrow and all will be forgotten. The SC2 community has the memory of a goldfish. It does appear to be computer-performance based, as the lag spikes during large engagements. Maybe it has to do with the spectator computers?

On the bright side, NASL suddenly is looking pretty good.
You must construct additional pylons.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#32
On January 20 2012 06:52 Tommylew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:50 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:45 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.

I said that the problem appeard to me to be because of the internet there. I didn't comment on whether I think it is a big deal. However, sometimes situations aren't ideal, and if they are the same for everyone than sometimes you just have to play through it.

yeh but Carmac has mentioned above that it hasnt been the same for both players in thecas of naniwa and also probabbly ngihtend in the last game. Nightend must feel a bit bitter after that game, he may of had delay trying to deal with then muta too we dont and probably wont know.,..

Whatever. Apparently I'll just go "shutup" because a pissy fan is angry at the unfairness of the world. Either way, they have to deal with it. It sucks. But its happened and there obviously wasn't much that they could have done to fix it. Meh I'm out. GL carmac
Noorgrin
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 22:01:08
January 19 2012 21:56 GMT
#33
from the way Nightend vs Zenio Game3 looked like, i would say the problems was caused by the poorly equiped PCs ESL/IEM are using @ Kiev... shame they cannot handle 200/200 fights... Nightend should be given a rematch imo !
Q(-_-Q)
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
January 19 2012 21:56 GMT
#34
Thanks for this post, really appreciate the transparent communication.

I just have one request: Please give NightenD a regame. He lost because of this issue therefore losing the series and the 2nd spot of the group and dropped out of the tournament. For every other game this would probably have been not that important but this game was the most important for him and in the entire group. It's very likely he would've won this game. Please give him a regame.
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8642 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 22:00:19
January 19 2012 21:58 GMT
#35
Props for the statement as it was needed indeed.

Such things CAN happen as faulty electronics are the vehicle of esports, but what I think made the situation unbearable for viewers is the fact that you did not communicate in a professional manner what exactly seems to be the problem and what are the appropriate steps to take thereafter.

Maybe via the casters or on one definitely legit official IEM twitter account.I for example was outraged when I heard nani forfeited because I thought he was right not to play but overreacted in simply dropping out, so one bad thing led to another - after that it was thankfully clarified but so much drama and a massive community shitstorm was already on the way and this could hurt IEM as it die MLG for example at Dallas(They thankfully learned their lesson and are doing fine now).

You and IEM staff are generally doing a good job in providing entertaining content, but as I said, better PR work in such critical situations could do wonders

in the age of "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" leadership.
AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
January 19 2012 22:00 GMT
#36
On January 20 2012 06:46 Scareb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:42 AysiktiriX wrote:
I sharpened my pitchfork good today, tomorrow I might have to start stabbing. (Ooh, SOTG will be on soon, I hope they have brought their pitchforks too, I'll definitely tune in.)


Judge IEM or ESL or the tourney at the end of it! I hope their is ironic in your post.


No, there was no irony actually. I am a very patient and calm person. That's why I decided for an opening day not to say anything even though what we witnessed was... "ugly" is a fitting word, I guess. If there are such issues again tomorrow... I'll bring not only a sharpened pitchfork, but a torch too.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
January 19 2012 22:02 GMT
#37
lol guys nightend was still 2-3 bases against what, 4-5 base? nightned still had nearly no money compared to like 5k bank for zenio? i mean zenio played badly, but nightend made mistakes too, and even though he would have won that battle, i still doubt he wins the game.

still, that doesn't excuse the lag, but I feel for IEM, there's only so much you can do.

Blizzard is the biggest culprit, I don't know and still don't know why they refuse LAN support.
I love crazymoving
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
January 19 2012 22:02 GMT
#38
Are you going to give NightEnd a regame? Because while I understand all the issues you've been having. There is no excuse for falling back on them for a terrible decision to even consider the end result of that match legitimate.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Tumor
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria192 Posts
January 19 2012 22:02 GMT
#39
Give us lan... or tournament server for the big ones... no problem for blizzard... and we can set up streams with mobile internet shit -.-
YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
January 19 2012 22:04 GMT
#40
On January 20 2012 07:02 Flonomenalz wrote:
lol guys nightend was still 2-3 bases against what, 4-5 base? nightned still had nearly no money compared to like 5k bank for zenio? i mean zenio played badly, but nightend made mistakes too, and even though he would have won that battle, i still doubt he wins the game.

still, that doesn't excuse the lag, but I feel for IEM, there's only so much you can do.

Blizzard is the biggest culprit, I don't know and still don't know why they refuse LAN support.



Yea but if he won the battle, on best case scenario he could have killed 1 zerg base while securing his 3rd and to some extent 4th base until zerg gets fully reloaded and willing to engage in a new fight.
I'm very good at making carriers.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 19 20 21 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
17:00
#30
RotterdaM239
TKL 189
SteadfastSC24
BRAT_OK 15
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 406
RotterdaM 239
TKL 189
Reynor 170
ProTech129
SteadfastSC 24
BRAT_OK 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30758
Calm 4028
Horang2 1354
EffOrt 368
firebathero 263
Killer 66
Mind 57
Rock 45
scan(afreeca) 29
yabsab 15
[ Show more ]
UpATreeSC 9
ivOry 8
Dota 2
Gorgc7347
qojqva2608
Dendi969
BananaSlamJamma74
resolut1ontv 16
Counter-Strike
oskar124
adren_tv42
Other Games
hiko642
Beastyqt391
Lowko336
ceh9321
Fuzer 236
Hui .189
Sick187
Happy182
Liquid`VortiX158
QueenE62
Trikslyr46
Dewaltoss29
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12296
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3996
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 19
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 42
• Azhi_Dahaki25
• FirePhoenix3
• HerbMon 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV410
League of Legends
• Nemesis5169
Other Games
• Shiphtur121
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 50m
ChoboTeamLeague
7h 50m
WardiTV Korean Royale
18h 50m
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 3h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
IPSL
6 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.