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Carmac responds to IEM Criticism: "Bring on the pitchforks…

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Tuthur
Profile Joined July 2010
France985 Posts
January 19 2012 21:44 GMT
#21
Carmac keepin' it real, the only people to blame here are Blizzard I personally enjoyed the tournament so far, no complains here.
falafelnr1
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden444 Posts
January 19 2012 21:44 GMT
#22
Can't Intel hook you up with some good PC's? There has been lag in like all games where big battles happened. So to me it feels like the PC's are the main problem.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:46:06
January 19 2012 21:45 GMT
#23
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.
Live and Let Die!
Scareb
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany173 Posts
January 19 2012 21:46 GMT
#24
On January 20 2012 06:42 AysiktiriX wrote:
I sharpened my pitchfork good today, tomorrow I might have to start stabbing. (Ooh, SOTG will be on soon, I hope they have brought their pitchforks too, I'll definitely tune in.)


Judge IEM or ESL or the tourney at the end of it! I hope their is ironic in your post.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 19 2012 21:47 GMT
#25
I understand you, Carmac.

Won't give NightEnD his 2nd place spot though. That's what bothers me tbh, that someone ended up suffering for it.
#freeshauni
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
January 19 2012 21:49 GMT
#26
On January 20 2012 06:44 falafelnr1 wrote:
Can't Intel hook you up with some good PC's? There has been lag in like all games where big battles happened. So to me it feels like the PC's are the main problem.


The ESL has computer problems for over 10 years now. so it seems like intel cannot otherwise they already wouldve done it.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 19 2012 21:50 GMT
#27
On January 20 2012 06:45 Tommylew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.

I said that the problem appeard to me to be because of the internet there. I didn't comment on whether I think it is a big deal. However, sometimes situations aren't ideal, and if they are the same for everyone than sometimes you just have to play through it.
funkyfritter
Profile Joined May 2010
353 Posts
January 19 2012 21:50 GMT
#28
It stinks that this happened, but I'm still glad you came forward and explained the situation. I enjoyed the broadcast today despite the issues and have my fingers crossed that the rest of the tournament goes smoothly.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:51:38
January 19 2012 21:50 GMT
#29
On January 20 2012 06:39 Adebisi wrote:
I really feel this is more Blizzard's fault than IEMs...

Agree 100%. Two other games were going on simultaneously without issues, and the venue was clearly way above requirements. Only explanation is another battle.net issue.

EDIT: Talking about blizzard in post 666? What a glorious coincidence!
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
January 19 2012 21:52 GMT
#30
On January 20 2012 06:50 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:45 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.

I said that the problem appeard to me to be because of the internet there. I didn't comment on whether I think it is a big deal. However, sometimes situations aren't ideal, and if they are the same for everyone than sometimes you just have to play through it.

yeh but Carmac has mentioned above that it hasnt been the same for both players in thecas of naniwa and also probabbly ngihtend in the last game. Nightend must feel a bit bitter after that game, he may of had delay trying to deal with then muta too we dont and probably wont know.,..
Live and Let Die!
YMCApylons
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Taiwan359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:56:00
January 19 2012 21:52 GMT
#31
Good damage control, IEM. Just fix it for tomorrow and all will be forgotten. The SC2 community has the memory of a goldfish. It does appear to be computer-performance based, as the lag spikes during large engagements. Maybe it has to do with the spectator computers?

On the bright side, NASL suddenly is looking pretty good.
You must construct additional pylons.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#32
On January 20 2012 06:52 Tommylew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:50 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:45 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:38 Tommylew wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:37 mrtomjones wrote:
Sounds like its just the shitty luck of internet. Someone wont come now because of it? Silly.


will u shut up. It obviously affected the players and why shoudlnt both players have equal settings?

it sucks when the moment two armies are together you have sp[ikes where you cant mciro shit... its a joke as the mroe time broodlords are alive the motr damage they do with the broodlings andmore broodlings are alive.....

Uhh wow dude. I comment that it is because of bad net and you snap on me? Fun. Someone never going to another IEM event is silly. MLG has had lag issues before. Everyone still goes to those. Every tournament has had troubles of some sort and people still go to GSL and Dreamhack. Perhaps you should chill.


this isnt the first time with IEM? its always liek this always like this. other places Fix it, but odds are well have the same problems tommorrow...
I snapped because ur brushing lag of as not a problem and the players should just deal withit and HuK isnt goign to go simply ebcause this isnt the first time. Plus it will be offputting for players and put players off if all their events the is awlays problems.

I said that the problem appeard to me to be because of the internet there. I didn't comment on whether I think it is a big deal. However, sometimes situations aren't ideal, and if they are the same for everyone than sometimes you just have to play through it.

yeh but Carmac has mentioned above that it hasnt been the same for both players in thecas of naniwa and also probabbly ngihtend in the last game. Nightend must feel a bit bitter after that game, he may of had delay trying to deal with then muta too we dont and probably wont know.,..

Whatever. Apparently I'll just go "shutup" because a pissy fan is angry at the unfairness of the world. Either way, they have to deal with it. It sucks. But its happened and there obviously wasn't much that they could have done to fix it. Meh I'm out. GL carmac
Noorgrin
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 22:01:08
January 19 2012 21:56 GMT
#33
from the way Nightend vs Zenio Game3 looked like, i would say the problems was caused by the poorly equiped PCs ESL/IEM are using @ Kiev... shame they cannot handle 200/200 fights... Nightend should be given a rematch imo !
Q(-_-Q)
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
January 19 2012 21:56 GMT
#34
Thanks for this post, really appreciate the transparent communication.

I just have one request: Please give NightenD a regame. He lost because of this issue therefore losing the series and the 2nd spot of the group and dropped out of the tournament. For every other game this would probably have been not that important but this game was the most important for him and in the entire group. It's very likely he would've won this game. Please give him a regame.
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 22:00:19
January 19 2012 21:58 GMT
#35
Props for the statement as it was needed indeed.

Such things CAN happen as faulty electronics are the vehicle of esports, but what I think made the situation unbearable for viewers is the fact that you did not communicate in a professional manner what exactly seems to be the problem and what are the appropriate steps to take thereafter.

Maybe via the casters or on one definitely legit official IEM twitter account.I for example was outraged when I heard nani forfeited because I thought he was right not to play but overreacted in simply dropping out, so one bad thing led to another - after that it was thankfully clarified but so much drama and a massive community shitstorm was already on the way and this could hurt IEM as it die MLG for example at Dallas(They thankfully learned their lesson and are doing fine now).

You and IEM staff are generally doing a good job in providing entertaining content, but as I said, better PR work in such critical situations could do wonders

AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
January 19 2012 22:00 GMT
#36
On January 20 2012 06:46 Scareb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:42 AysiktiriX wrote:
I sharpened my pitchfork good today, tomorrow I might have to start stabbing. (Ooh, SOTG will be on soon, I hope they have brought their pitchforks too, I'll definitely tune in.)


Judge IEM or ESL or the tourney at the end of it! I hope their is ironic in your post.


No, there was no irony actually. I am a very patient and calm person. That's why I decided for an opening day not to say anything even though what we witnessed was... "ugly" is a fitting word, I guess. If there are such issues again tomorrow... I'll bring not only a sharpened pitchfork, but a torch too.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
January 19 2012 22:02 GMT
#37
lol guys nightend was still 2-3 bases against what, 4-5 base? nightned still had nearly no money compared to like 5k bank for zenio? i mean zenio played badly, but nightend made mistakes too, and even though he would have won that battle, i still doubt he wins the game.

still, that doesn't excuse the lag, but I feel for IEM, there's only so much you can do.

Blizzard is the biggest culprit, I don't know and still don't know why they refuse LAN support.
I love crazymoving
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
January 19 2012 22:02 GMT
#38
Are you going to give NightEnd a regame? Because while I understand all the issues you've been having. There is no excuse for falling back on them for a terrible decision to even consider the end result of that match legitimate.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Tumor
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria192 Posts
January 19 2012 22:02 GMT
#39
Give us lan... or tournament server for the big ones... no problem for blizzard... and we can set up streams with mobile internet shit -.-
YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
January 19 2012 22:04 GMT
#40
On January 20 2012 07:02 Flonomenalz wrote:
lol guys nightend was still 2-3 bases against what, 4-5 base? nightned still had nearly no money compared to like 5k bank for zenio? i mean zenio played badly, but nightend made mistakes too, and even though he would have won that battle, i still doubt he wins the game.

still, that doesn't excuse the lag, but I feel for IEM, there's only so much you can do.

Blizzard is the biggest culprit, I don't know and still don't know why they refuse LAN support.



Yea but if he won the battle, on best case scenario he could have killed 1 zerg base while securing his 3rd and to some extent 4th base until zerg gets fully reloaded and willing to engage in a new fight.
I'm very good at making carriers.
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