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romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
May 10 2012 16:56 GMT
#521
On May 10 2012 22:06 smwatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 17:08 ErrorNA wrote:
Man i hate laddering, i just lose the the gayest stuff.

how are you supposed to come back in a game where the guy blocks the natural and the third? or do you have to do a sucky all in that he is going to be prepared for?

and how are you supposed to deal with random stuff that is done completely blind?

man i guess thats zerg.... but seriously im raging Ha.


I If he blocks the natural you should get your overlord on 15 and 4 lings while running to the third with your drone. If he's dropping 2 pylons it puts him more behind than you.


Usually if they drop the pylon in the natural and you attempt to take the third, they'll cancel the pylon in the natural. If not, then 4 lings should easily be able to take out the pylon.

Also, pro tip: sacrificing one ling to follow the probe (instead of having 4 attacking the pylon, just three) is worth it as it deters the creation of a forward pylon (with that specific probe) and can overall discourage the protoss player from sacrificing more economy to put a forward pylon with another probe.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 17:28:20
May 10 2012 17:15 GMT
#522
Intimate Tips with Stoic Gaming


These are a compilation of tips that I've collected after watching basically every single episode from the beginning of time. Maybe include this in the original thread to give a general overview for the courageous Starcraft 2 Zergs that don't have time to parse all of the videos.

Intimate Mechanics:
  • Try to minimize looking at the main screen and focus on the minimap.
  • Always be anal when dealing with drone counts and saturation.
  • Hotkey your larva/eggs!


Intimate Macro:
  • Don't be afraid to save larva once you've hit your benchmark in regards to Drones. Larva doesn't disappear!
  • Try to make drones while looking at something else to make your APM as efficient as possible.
  • Always strive to minimally counter everything you're up against.


Intimate ZvP:
  • Always try to have an overlord spotting the gasses in the natural (after FFE)
  • There are two kinds of forcefields: offensive and defensive; make sure you can distinguish these FF's and only engage when your opponent utilizes offensive forcefields.
  • Deal with Stargate units with Queens and Spores
  • Roach/Hydra is generally a bad composition, but can be viable if you're behind (i.e. losing your third to gay zealot pressure)
  • If you can, going Roach/Ling is sometimes a better decision than just going pure roach as you can build up a gas deposit and tech easily because of the gas-less ling production.
  • Strive to build the units that take the longest to make first (roaches) when defending a push, so when the push comes, you can reinforce with faster-creating units (lings).


Intimate ZvT:
  • Don't be afraid to drop down a roach warren if you suspect a large hellion count or mech. It's a mineral-only investment and isn't detrimental to your tech and keeps you safe.
  • Mutas are never a good option when you're behind--always go Infestors!
  • Creep spread is important.
  • If you had the choice between dropping a spine or a spore (to mitigate drops), always opt for the spore as it really limits where the Terran can drop.
  • If you're on a low base count, infestors are always the way to go.
  • Always spread your army out when engaging the Terran to make Terran splitting ineffective.
  • Patrolling lings through drop paths is just as effective as a floating overlord and doesn't risk your supply cap from dropping.


Intimate ZvZ:
  • You should always try to be ahead "mentally" of your opponent.
  • In the mid game, a Roach/Hydra composition is more or less "equally as strong" as Roach/Infestor, but gains in advantage when the infestor player has no more energy.
  • You should always block your ramp with queens if you open 15h vs. 14/14 or any build where you are vulnerable to ling run-bys (usually when they have speed before you)
  • Skipping an early baneling nest allows you to have a slightly better mineral income, which means you can make extra queens and spines in the event of an attack before you have roach tech.
  • Keep in mind that a third is generally a huge investment and should be only taken when you have some sort of advantage. It costs 350 minerals, lowers your income, and doesn't take in effect until you actually have drones there.


I don't know if I missed anything. I tried to keep everything general and less game-specific.

To copy, just quote this and copy-paste the code.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
May 10 2012 17:32 GMT
#523
Thanks for that! I've updated the OP

You also now get 10% of all revenue generate by Intimate ZvX with Stoic to date. This is Zero, but a nice gesture I think!

lol.

But seriously, I really appreciate the work you put into this, I know it must have taken you some time.

Cheers,

-Nuvo
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
May 10 2012 17:39 GMT
#524
Hahaha, well, I think most of the revenue should come from users paying to use your patented Stoic time in replays.
DoctorHot
Profile Joined September 2011
United States42 Posts
May 10 2012 18:08 GMT
#525
Wow this thread is blowing up, I think we can credit it all to posting that ridiculous picture of David.
SupeR z
Profile Joined February 2012
United States73 Posts
May 10 2012 18:57 GMT
#526
I read a tip on reddit about getting an ovie per inject on reddit says sheth uses it ....

does Regret have any tips on general ovie making ?
Catatafish
Profile Joined April 2012
75 Posts
May 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#527
In ZvP I go 15pool, then send a drone scout. I played a game on Shakuras where I scouted 2 gateways chronoboosting zealots in his natural before expo, what is the correct response here? And how do I proceed if he

A) Builds his nexus afterwards

B) Builds his cybercore afterwards.

Also props on your awesome videos. Intimate ZvX with Stoic has been the single biggest factor in getting me from diamond to master league.

ErrorNA
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
May 10 2012 19:39 GMT
#528
On May 10 2012 22:06 smwatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 17:08 ErrorNA wrote:
Man i hate laddering, i just lose the the gayest stuff.

how are you supposed to come back in a game where the guy blocks the natural and the third? or do you have to do a sucky all in that he is going to be prepared for?

and how are you supposed to deal with random stuff that is done completely blind?

man i guess thats zerg.... but seriously im raging Ha.


I If he blocks the natural you should get your overlord on 15 and 4 lings while running to the third with your drone. If he's dropping 2 pylons it puts him more behind than you.


Thank you very much, for the replay and everything that you guys do.
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
May 10 2012 19:56 GMT
#529
On May 11 2012 04:39 ErrorNA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 22:06 smwatkin wrote:
On May 10 2012 17:08 ErrorNA wrote:
Man i hate laddering, i just lose the the gayest stuff.

how are you supposed to come back in a game where the guy blocks the natural and the third? or do you have to do a sucky all in that he is going to be prepared for?

and how are you supposed to deal with random stuff that is done completely blind?

man i guess thats zerg.... but seriously im raging Ha.


I If he blocks the natural you should get your overlord on 15 and 4 lings while running to the third with your drone. If he's dropping 2 pylons it puts him more behind than you.


Thank you very much, for the replay and everything that you guys do.


Wait till you see all the free cotton candy we get from doing these VODs. TOTALLY WORTH IT. Hell YEAH
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
May 10 2012 21:54 GMT
#530
Episode 19 is UP.

Enjoy ZvP week.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
May 10 2012 22:32 GMT
#531
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/th7lu/zerg_tutorial_videos_a_must_see_for_zergs_of_all/

Found your reddit post ! support gogogo ~
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
May 10 2012 22:49 GMT
#532
On May 11 2012 07:32 Holcan wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/th7lu/zerg_tutorial_videos_a_must_see_for_zergs_of_all/

Found your reddit post ! support gogogo ~


One upvote well spent.
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
May 12 2012 20:52 GMT
#533
Going to do vods soon. If anyone has suggestions, post them here! Thanks for watching everyone.
sdrawkcab_
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway113 Posts
May 12 2012 22:26 GMT
#534
Thank you for great content! Really enjoying it

What is the name of the band/song at the start of video number two vs iMpBails?
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
May 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#535
Suggestions for VODS:
  • ZvZ: Properly scouting mutalisks and what to do if you cannot grab a third.
  • ZvZ: When is it appropriate to all-in your opponent? I remember David saying that if I'm not using my larva, he'll just make mass lings and kill me.
  • ZvT: Countering proxy 2-rax.
  • ZvP: Tips for reaching that 70 supply at 8 minutes.
  • ZvX: What to prioritize in terms of "cycling through our macro" (i.e. always inject -> spend larvae -> minimap -> micro -> etc.)


cheers!
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
May 13 2012 06:20 GMT
#536
On May 13 2012 07:26 sdrawkcab_ wrote:
Thank you for great content! Really enjoying it

What is the name of the band/song at the start of video number two vs iMpBails?


Song is Called "Gimme Sympathy" by Metric.

This is the acoustic version from their album. They're f'ing awesome. Really hot in Canada since Emily is from Ontario, and I know her!
sanctuz
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway184 Posts
May 13 2012 19:55 GMT
#537
Yeah, Metric rocks. Came into them after watching scott pilgrim vs the world.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
May 13 2012 20:01 GMT
#538
Ahhh yea. That blonde girl covers it well.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
May 13 2012 20:49 GMT
#539
Aha, I knew it was Metric, just didnt know the song :D
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
DoctorHot
Profile Joined September 2011
United States42 Posts
May 14 2012 02:13 GMT
#540
For a little bit of fun, you could do one video of the two of you doing a 2v2!
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