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smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
May 07 2012 20:40 GMT
#481
Thanks.

We'll be doing a VOD soon on unit control, micro etc. Not only for zerg, but all 3 races. To do this though David needs to be at my place because you need to see the location of the mouse.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
May 07 2012 22:09 GMT
#482
nice, trying to branch out to the other races myself, it'll be nice to learn some good habits before I develop bad habits.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
InSpiReZerG
Profile Joined January 2010
United States159 Posts
May 08 2012 06:19 GMT
#483
Stepping up the quality, Looks great you guys! seeing a new episode live is the highlight of my starcraft week.
Treacherous and impure, impious and murderous, Cadaverous yet living, dead to eyes but ever dreaming
DoctorHot
Profile Joined September 2011
United States42 Posts
May 08 2012 08:13 GMT
#484
On May 08 2012 03:36 stoicRegret wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 03:15 DoctorHot wrote:
It might help that I linked to that one specifically on Reddit. I just posted it and said in the title that you held off a stalker/sentry/immortal all-in. Looks like lots of people want to learn how to do stuff like that!

These videos are great, I love the music!


I think I love you.


I love you too, buddy! :D

I'd like to try to help you out a little bit in posting to Reddit, and perhaps other forms of social media. Sometimes, when you just post stuff like "Intimate ZvX with Stoic - Episode 18," while you're accurately saying what the title of the show is and what episode it is, there might be other information that might be better at catching the eye of potential viewers. When you just have the title and episode number, the average person scrolling through Reddit posts just scrolls right by it, because it's just another random dude's foray into helping noobs out. No offense to you guys, but this particular market is quite saturated. However, you guys are awesome, and you need to find ways to make yourselves stick out so that other people are also capable of realizing this.

What you might try instead is using the title of your posts to play to your strengths to attempt to garner more viewers. For example, when you submitted Episode 8, you had "ZvZ" at the end of it. This is a little better, but let's try to put some even better ideas into the viewer's head. For example, by saying "This week is ZvZ week!" it might make the reader think "oh this show happens fairly regularly," thus making them more likely to place a vested interest into it. You could try submitting just one of your four/five parts like I did - in this example, I said exactly what the selling point of that specific VOD was, and why the viewer would want to watch it. He might stumble across it and think, "oh hey, I'm having a hard time with that push" and click on it (I assume that's what happened, since I happened to quintuple your normal viewership of that one video).

If you REALLY want to see how this is done, go check out Day[9]'s Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/#!/day9tv He is the master of this. A few examples: "Having trouble winning in TvP? Today we look at the necessity of blasting the Protoss in the midgame w/ T!" or "When I awaken, I'll be analyzing DeMusliM's amazing mech win vs Nestea! :D"

The source of my advice: I do some translating, so I have a lot of practice at dicking around with words to find the best way to portray ideas.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
May 08 2012 12:26 GMT
#485
On May 08 2012 17:13 DoctorHot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 03:36 stoicRegret wrote:
On May 08 2012 03:15 DoctorHot wrote:
It might help that I linked to that one specifically on Reddit. I just posted it and said in the title that you held off a stalker/sentry/immortal all-in. Looks like lots of people want to learn how to do stuff like that!

These videos are great, I love the music!


I think I love you.


I love you too, buddy! :D

I'd like to try to help you out a little bit in posting to Reddit, and perhaps other forms of social media. Sometimes, when you just post stuff like "Intimate ZvX with Stoic - Episode 18," while you're accurately saying what the title of the show is and what episode it is, there might be other information that might be better at catching the eye of potential viewers. When you just have the title and episode number, the average person scrolling through Reddit posts just scrolls right by it, because it's just another random dude's foray into helping noobs out. No offense to you guys, but this particular market is quite saturated. However, you guys are awesome, and you need to find ways to make yourselves stick out so that other people are also capable of realizing this.

What you might try instead is using the title of your posts to play to your strengths to attempt to garner more viewers. For example, when you submitted Episode 8, you had "ZvZ" at the end of it. This is a little better, but let's try to put some even better ideas into the viewer's head. For example, by saying "This week is ZvZ week!" it might make the reader think "oh this show happens fairly regularly," thus making them more likely to place a vested interest into it. You could try submitting just one of your four/five parts like I did - in this example, I said exactly what the selling point of that specific VOD was, and why the viewer would want to watch it. He might stumble across it and think, "oh hey, I'm having a hard time with that push" and click on it (I assume that's what happened, since I happened to quintuple your normal viewership of that one video).

If you REALLY want to see how this is done, go check out Day[9]'s Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/#!/day9tv He is the master of this. A few examples: "Having trouble winning in TvP? Today we look at the necessity of blasting the Protoss in the midgame w/ T!" or "When I awaken, I'll be analyzing DeMusliM's amazing mech win vs Nestea! :D"

The source of my advice: I do some translating, so I have a lot of practice at dicking around with words to find the best way to portray ideas.



You actually increased our viewership 10 fold, lol. I was thinking along the same lines about thread titles, but I like the way you explain it better. Thanks for the tips! Always appreciated.

I work in B2B sales so marketing is definitely not my strong suit.
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
May 08 2012 22:04 GMT
#486
Next VODs will be ZvP mainly. If anyone has any questions on ZvP specifics, post them here. We will try to answer all of them in our VODs, and I will look to pick out games that showcase the strategies suggested.

Thanks for all the comments!
SupeR z
Profile Joined February 2012
United States73 Posts
May 08 2012 22:35 GMT
#487
I wouldnt mind the VoD showing how to easily 11/12 minute max without dying to 8 minute stuff and how to handle drones vs different types of builds

also when to know keep making units instead of taking a 4th/5th and teching to hive units
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 22:43:42
May 08 2012 22:42 GMT
#488
if you have any replays where the other protoss opens with a gateway first build, and you explain your scouting / thought process that'd be really insightful in this FFE age.

also that sentry immortal vod was awesome, but if you happen to have any more replays of it, you mentioned how it's easier to hold off with a spine wall. would be nice to see as well for everyone like me with noob unit control >_<
SupeR z
Profile Joined February 2012
United States73 Posts
May 08 2012 23:01 GMT
#489
On May 09 2012 07:42 jimbob615 wrote:
if you have any replays where the other protoss opens with a gateway first build, and you explain your scouting / thought process that'd be really insightful in this FFE age.

also that sentry immortal vod was awesome, but if you happen to have any more replays of it, you mentioned how it's easier to hold off with a spine wall. would be nice to see as well for everyone like me with noob unit control >_<


this also good idea

I face dumb gateway builds all the time and it sucks when I took my 3rd before 2nd or I found out really late and am barely getting gas when a 4 gate is coming like on entombed or something ...ovie speed buff should help with this though
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
May 09 2012 02:34 GMT
#490
We'll definitely go over all these questions. Keep posting them, doing VODs this week.
Frunkis
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
May 09 2012 04:59 GMT
#491
This should really be in the Strategy section so more people will get a chance to see it. My ZvZ has improved so much since watching these vods. There's no one else that really gets into the thought process behind what's going on in the match up and since ZvZ doesn't really lend itself well to build orders you can feel kind of lost. I'm just glad I no longer have to 6 pool every Zerg just to get it over with quickly.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
May 09 2012 05:13 GMT
#492
Showcase baneling drops and the proper build to get there!
DoctorHot
Profile Joined September 2011
United States42 Posts
May 09 2012 06:46 GMT
#493
Perhaps something about decision making after the Protoss takes a third. For example, say you didn't get a whole lot of scouting in, only saw him take 1 or 0 gas at his natural and see nothing else, and right when you start making your roaches for a possible incoming attack (which you might not be able to scout whether or not it's happening due to a zealot/stalker push out or something), you learn that he is taking his third. I'll often see people either just chill out at home or start making way more roaches to just go kill it. What kind of things go into your decision to do one or the other, or to perhaps take other options? There are a lot of Zergs who have watched Stephano and DRG enough to figure out how to hold off 2 base pushes just by build orders, but then you have to start making decisions and it gets harder haha.
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
May 09 2012 07:04 GMT
#494
Hey guys! Thanks for the new videos :D

You guys mention the IPL5 caster voting thingy in your previous episode (17?) and the mechanics video as well but I cant find the page where I can vote for you... do yo uthink you could link it so then i could give you guys my vote? Or is the voting even open? I google "IPL 5 caster vote" and other variations but i cant find the page.

Thanks!
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
May 09 2012 07:10 GMT
#495
On May 09 2012 16:04 joshie0808 wrote:
Hey guys! Thanks for the new videos :D

You guys mention the IPL5 caster voting thingy in your previous episode (17?) and the mechanics video as well but I cant find the page where I can vote for you... do yo uthink you could link it so then i could give you guys my vote? Or is the voting even open? I google "IPL 5 caster vote" and other variations but i cant find the page.

Thanks!


Thank you so much for your support, we realy appreciate it. Unfortunately, the casters have already been choosen, and we did not make it.

We will be casting the MLG qualifier tournament for complexity academy on May 14th. Join us for some fun!

Keep posting your ZvP questions, we will answer all of them in our next VODs, even if we cannot find games that will answer your questions.

Thanks for all the support guys!
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
May 09 2012 12:45 GMT
#496
Here's one then - cannon rushing, walling in, pylon blocking. What is the zerg's best 'reply' and how best to defend these?
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
May 09 2012 17:45 GMT
#497
On May 09 2012 21:45 Hairy wrote:
Here's one then - cannon rushing, walling in, pylon blocking. What is the zerg's best 'reply' and how best to defend these?

at 16 supply send down 1 drone to patrol the area below your ramp, if you are going gasless expand send another drone down to try and get the hatch early, this way you can use both drones to fight the probe for the hatch as well.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 17:59:31
May 09 2012 17:58 GMT
#498
On May 10 2012 02:45 ixi.genocide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 21:45 Hairy wrote:
Here's one then - cannon rushing, walling in, pylon blocking. What is the zerg's best 'reply' and how best to defend these?

at 16 supply send down 1 drone to patrol the area below your ramp, if you are going gasless expand send another drone down to try and get the hatch early, this way you can use both drones to fight the probe for the hatch as well.


Regret never wants to sacrifice a drone (and thus, econ) so he doesn't do this. That would be the hard counter or 'hard prevention' though. There is, however, a way to play against this. I'll see if we can arrange a "CombatEX" style cannon cheese to make a VOD. iMpDuster should be game.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
May 09 2012 18:00 GMT
#499
david tran is hot

glad to see he's still around and that stoic is alive and kicking
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Drumz
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom32 Posts
May 09 2012 18:04 GMT
#500
*stoic zergs are alive xD
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