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On January 18 2012 15:12 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:11 m2e wrote:
time for korean teams to realize that a handshake doesnt mean much when theres money to be made. they NEED to sign these players to contracts and thats that.
i understand the korean way of doing business is different from the foreigner way and they believe that a verbal promise/agreement holds its value but when theres thousands of dollars to be made with a player you cant just shake their hand and make them promise they'll stay
all the fault is on the TSL management at this point.... fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. Considering Coach Lee is talking about taking legal action for a breack of contract.... I'm assuming he did sign hs players to a contract....
If he can't afford to keep his players i'm struggling to see how he could afford to sue. Unless they really are only leaving 'cause he's working them too hard and they want a free ride in the west or something. I can't see him winning here, even if he is in the right.
edit: apparently money shouldn't be a problem for the TSL
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On January 18 2012 15:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.
And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained. It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah. TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though. EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus. Lol.. if EG takes a player from SlayerS, Jessica will make sure they don't leave Korea alive.
Jessica will see to the destruction of EG within the hour
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ugh, pretty sure this one is going to be more controversial/serious since alive was under contract following the puma shenanigans
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This is just crazy.
I know Coach Lee is from BW. He was a very good coach and, and always lost his best players to other teams. (Bisu is the best example btw.)
I feel like one is a accident, two is a trend. Either other teams find TSL easy to poach from or something is up inside the house. I hope this get sorted out.
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Oh, joy. I bet this is a good time for the haters and the misinformed to shit on Coach Lee once again.
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illsick
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I don't really care for alive but I care for polt...
he needs a good team and environment where he can flourish
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On January 18 2012 15:15 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:14 Bleak wrote:
Coach Lee is like a children that whines because he lost his toys. If you are that concerned about losing your players, then manage your team better, sign contracts that don't let his happen for example. Have you read the thread Alive had a contract. Lee signed his top players (Polt, Alive, Hyun) to contracts following the Pumagate.
That hasn't actually been confirmed, has it? The posts here are all just assuming so because it would seem to be logical, not any confirmed statements.
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On January 18 2012 15:15 Cyro wrote:
There is a little too much drama around recently :/
can see legal action happening if Alive did infact breach contract
I hope legal action is taken if something illegal occurs. That would be pretty big.
I also hope we get a statement from Fnatic...
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wow another SC2 drama... This is turning into a soap opera guys...
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On January 18 2012 15:16 Seraphic wrote:
This is just crazy.
I know Coach Lee is from BW. He was a very good coach and, and always lost his best players to other teams. (Bisu is the best example btw.)
I feel like one is a accident, two is a trend. Either other teams find TSL easy to poach from or something is up inside the house. I hope this get sorted out.
Mama bear is too nice. Coach lee needs to show poachers that even Mama bears have claws
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On January 18 2012 15:17 rdj107 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:15 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 15:14 Bleak wrote:
Coach Lee is like a children that whines because he lost his toys. If you are that concerned about losing your players, then manage your team better, sign contracts that don't let his happen for example. Have you read the thread Alive had a contract. Lee signed his top players (Polt, Alive, Hyun) to contracts following the Pumagate. That hasn't actually been confirmed, has it? The posts here are all just assuming so because it would seem to be logical, not any confirmed statements.
No, it's confirmed.
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I feel so bad for Coach Lee and TSL  That guy works harder than just about anyone and he and TSL always seem to get the short end of the stick.
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On January 18 2012 15:16 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:12 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On January 18 2012 15:11 m2e wrote:
time for korean teams to realize that a handshake doesnt mean much when theres money to be made. they NEED to sign these players to contracts and thats that.
i understand the korean way of doing business is different from the foreigner way and they believe that a verbal promise/agreement holds its value but when theres thousands of dollars to be made with a player you cant just shake their hand and make them promise they'll stay
all the fault is on the TSL management at this point.... fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. Considering Coach Lee is talking about taking legal action for a breack of contract.... I'm assuming he did sign hs players to a contract.... If he can't afford to keep his players i'm struggling to see how he could afford to sue. Unless they really are only leaving 'cause he's working them too hard and they want a free ride in the west or something. I can't see him winning here, even if he is in the right.
Reading comprehsion fail? Alive signed a contract with TSL and then left for fnatic.. that's all Coach Lee needs. It's not like he was a free agent and TSL couldn't match the offer or something.
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On January 18 2012 15:16 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.
And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained. It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah. TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though. EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus. Lol.. if EG takes a player from SlayerS, Jessica will make sure they don't leave Korea alive. Jessica will see to the destruction of EG within the hour
Haha its very rare that I literally lol but the image of Jessica single handedly tearing down EG got me...
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On January 18 2012 15:15 ReaperX wrote:
Why does this always happen to TSL? Hopefully things turn out well.. because it seemed like TSL and Fnatic seemed to have a good relationship as Rain left TSL on good terms with the coach... Didn't know about their supposed partnership either, must be a sticky situation.
Rain left much earlier than he signed with Fnatic.
But yeah, ToD was staying in the TSL house for awhile and it seems that something was in the works before all this alleged underhanded maneuverings happened.
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On January 18 2012 15:17 rdj107 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:15 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 15:14 Bleak wrote:
Coach Lee is like a children that whines because he lost his toys. If you are that concerned about losing your players, then manage your team better, sign contracts that don't let his happen for example. Have you read the thread Alive had a contract. Lee signed his top players (Polt, Alive, Hyun) to contracts following the Pumagate. That hasn't actually been confirmed, has it? The posts here are all just assuming so because it would seem to be logical, not any confirmed statements.
The problem is, a bad contract is worth even less than no contract. At least when the player isn't tied down, it isn't expected for them to stay.
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On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.
And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained. It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah. TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though. EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus.
Not necessarily true. If you are being sued for breach of contract, the person suing you is ALLEGING that there was a contract and that it was breached. This could be as simple as a verbal agreement that they are basing their lawsuit on. Just because one side alleges a contract doesn't necessarily mean the other party or the court will agree.
I am nitpicking though =P I'll agree that given the circumstances there is probably a written contract if Coach Lee is considering legal action.
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On January 18 2012 15:16 Seraphic wrote:
This is just crazy.
I know Coach Lee is from BW. He was a very good coach and, and always lost his best players to other teams. (Bisu is the best example btw.)
I feel like one is a accident, two is a trend. Either other teams find TSL easy to poach from or something is up inside the house. I hope this get sorted out.
We've heard from guys like Rekrul and others about Coach Lee having control issues and unreal expectations with his players, despite being a nice guy and a good coach in the strategic sense. If all of those accusations are true, then I would totally understand why this is only happening to Mama Bear, and not other Korean coaches.
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On January 18 2012 15:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 15:16 Blasterion wrote:On January 18 2012 15:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.
And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained. It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah. TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though. EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus. Lol.. if EG takes a player from SlayerS, Jessica will make sure they don't leave Korea alive. Jessica will see to the destruction of EG within the hour Haha its very rare that I literally lol but the image of Jessica single handedly tearing down EG got me...
She's in the entertainment industry.. She could probably get it done. 
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On January 18 2012 14:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 14:50 rauk wrote:On January 18 2012 14:49 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 18 2012 14:47 rauk wrote:
how on earth can TSL be this badly mismanaged that they keep losing players like this so consistently Can you really blame Coach Lee? He lets Fnatic into his team house, they begin to work on a partnership, and then Fnatic takes aLive? if all these players (rain, puma, clide, sangho, alive, etc) are so eager to jump ship from TSL clearly coach lee is doing something wrong aLive was apparently poached (I had heard otherwise, this is news to me) and left the team house with his best friend who's name I won't reveal.
Wait, you say aLive left with his best friend.. isn't that Polt? Don't tell me they're losing him as well..
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