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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 06:28:11
January 18 2012 06:16 GMT
#161
On January 18 2012 15:12 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:11 m2e wrote:
time for korean teams to realize that a handshake doesnt mean much when theres money to be made. they NEED to sign these players to contracts and thats that.

i understand the korean way of doing business is different from the foreigner way and they believe that a verbal promise/agreement holds its value but when theres thousands of dollars to be made with a player you cant just shake their hand and make them promise they'll stay

all the fault is on the TSL management at this point.... fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

Considering Coach Lee is talking about taking legal action for a breack of contract.... I'm assuming he did sign hs players to a contract....

If he can't afford to keep his players i'm struggling to see how he could afford to sue. Unless they really are only leaving 'cause he's working them too hard and they want a free ride in the west or something. I can't see him winning here, even if he is in the right.

edit: apparently money shouldn't be a problem for the TSL
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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 18 2012 06:16 GMT
#162
On January 18 2012 15:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.

And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained.

It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah.

TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though.

EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus.


Lol.. if EG takes a player from SlayerS, Jessica will make sure they don't leave Korea alive.

Jessica will see to the destruction of EG within the hour
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
kittensrcute
Profile Joined August 2010
United States617 Posts
January 18 2012 06:16 GMT
#163
ugh, pretty sure this one is going to be more controversial/serious since alive was under contract following the puma shenanigans
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
January 18 2012 06:16 GMT
#164
This is just crazy.

I know Coach Lee is from BW. He was a very good coach and, and always lost his best players to other teams. (Bisu is the best example btw.)

I feel like one is a accident, two is a trend. Either other teams find TSL easy to poach from or something is up inside the house. I hope this get sorted out.
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Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
January 18 2012 06:16 GMT
#165
Oh, joy. I bet this is a good time for the haters and the misinformed to shit on Coach Lee once again.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
January 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#166
I don't really care for alive but I care for polt...

he needs a good team and environment where he can flourish
you live and you learn
rdj107
Profile Joined December 2010
United States336 Posts
January 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#167
On January 18 2012 15:15 Fionn wrote:
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On January 18 2012 15:14 Bleak wrote:
Coach Lee is like a children that whines because he lost his toys. If you are that concerned about losing your players, then manage your team better, sign contracts that don't let his happen for example.


Have you read the thread

Alive had a contract. Lee signed his top players (Polt, Alive, Hyun) to contracts following the Pumagate.

That hasn't actually been confirmed, has it? The posts here are all just assuming so because it would seem to be logical, not any confirmed statements.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46679 Posts
January 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#168
On January 18 2012 15:15 Cyro wrote:
There is a little too much drama around recently :/

can see legal action happening if Alive did infact breach contract


I hope legal action is taken if something illegal occurs. That would be pretty big.

I also hope we get a statement from Fnatic...
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Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
January 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#169
wow another SC2 drama... This is turning into a soap opera guys...
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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#170
On January 18 2012 15:16 Seraphic wrote:
This is just crazy.

I know Coach Lee is from BW. He was a very good coach and, and always lost his best players to other teams. (Bisu is the best example btw.)

I feel like one is a accident, two is a trend. Either other teams find TSL easy to poach from or something is up inside the house. I hope this get sorted out.

Mama bear is too nice. Coach lee needs to show poachers that even Mama bears have claws
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 06:17 GMT
#171
On January 18 2012 15:17 rdj107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:15 Fionn wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:14 Bleak wrote:
Coach Lee is like a children that whines because he lost his toys. If you are that concerned about losing your players, then manage your team better, sign contracts that don't let his happen for example.


Have you read the thread

Alive had a contract. Lee signed his top players (Polt, Alive, Hyun) to contracts following the Pumagate.

That hasn't actually been confirmed, has it? The posts here are all just assuming so because it would seem to be logical, not any confirmed statements.

No, it's confirmed.
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looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
January 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#172
I feel so bad for Coach Lee and TSL That guy works harder than just about anyone and he and TSL always seem to get the short end of the stick.
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
January 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#173
On January 18 2012 15:16 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:12 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:11 m2e wrote:
time for korean teams to realize that a handshake doesnt mean much when theres money to be made. they NEED to sign these players to contracts and thats that.

i understand the korean way of doing business is different from the foreigner way and they believe that a verbal promise/agreement holds its value but when theres thousands of dollars to be made with a player you cant just shake their hand and make them promise they'll stay

all the fault is on the TSL management at this point.... fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

Considering Coach Lee is talking about taking legal action for a breack of contract.... I'm assuming he did sign hs players to a contract....

If he can't afford to keep his players i'm struggling to see how he could afford to sue. Unless they really are only leaving 'cause he's working them too hard and they want a free ride in the west or something. I can't see him winning here, even if he is in the right.


Reading comprehsion fail? Alive signed a contract with TSL and then left for fnatic.. that's all Coach Lee needs. It's not like he was a free agent and TSL couldn't match the offer or something.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6668 Posts
January 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#174
On January 18 2012 15:16 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.

And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained.

It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah.

TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though.

EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus.


Lol.. if EG takes a player from SlayerS, Jessica will make sure they don't leave Korea alive.

Jessica will see to the destruction of EG within the hour

Haha its very rare that I literally lol but the image of Jessica single handedly tearing down EG got me...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
January 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#175
On January 18 2012 15:15 ReaperX wrote:
Why does this always happen to TSL? Hopefully things turn out well.. because it seemed like TSL and Fnatic seemed to have a good relationship as Rain left TSL on good terms with the coach... Didn't know about their supposed partnership either, must be a sticky situation.

Rain left much earlier than he signed with Fnatic.

But yeah, ToD was staying in the TSL house for awhile and it seems that something was in the works before all this alleged underhanded maneuverings happened.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
FaZe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada472 Posts
January 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#176
On January 18 2012 15:17 rdj107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:15 Fionn wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:14 Bleak wrote:
Coach Lee is like a children that whines because he lost his toys. If you are that concerned about losing your players, then manage your team better, sign contracts that don't let his happen for example.


Have you read the thread

Alive had a contract. Lee signed his top players (Polt, Alive, Hyun) to contracts following the Pumagate.

That hasn't actually been confirmed, has it? The posts here are all just assuming so because it would seem to be logical, not any confirmed statements.


The problem is, a bad contract is worth even less than no contract. At least when the player isn't tied down, it isn't expected for them to stay.
"Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none."
Subztance
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 06:20:01
January 18 2012 06:18 GMT
#177
On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.

And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained.

It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah.

TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though.

EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus.


Not necessarily true. If you are being sued for breach of contract, the person suing you is ALLEGING that there was a contract and that it was breached. This could be as simple as a verbal agreement that they are basing their lawsuit on. Just because one side alleges a contract doesn't necessarily mean the other party or the court will agree.

I am nitpicking though =P I'll agree that given the circumstances there is probably a written contract if Coach Lee is considering legal action.
yuri taeyeon
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
January 18 2012 06:19 GMT
#178
On January 18 2012 15:16 Seraphic wrote:
This is just crazy.

I know Coach Lee is from BW. He was a very good coach and, and always lost his best players to other teams. (Bisu is the best example btw.)

I feel like one is a accident, two is a trend. Either other teams find TSL easy to poach from or something is up inside the house. I hope this get sorted out.


We've heard from guys like Rekrul and others about Coach Lee having control issues and unreal expectations with his players, despite being a nice guy and a good coach in the strategic sense. If all of those accusations are true, then I would totally understand why this is only happening to Mama Bear, and not other Korean coaches.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
January 18 2012 06:19 GMT
#179
On January 18 2012 15:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 15:16 Blasterion wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:12 babylon wrote:
On January 18 2012 15:11 phANT1m wrote:
I wish could support TSL. Every quality player they create gets stolen by a big team. Wish they would for once get a break.

And as someone pointed out this is going to make KR/Western relations a bit more tense and strained.

It's made the relations so strained EG is now in a partnership with SlayerS. Oh yeah.

TSL/Western relationships might be wrecked, though.

EDIT: I wish people could read. THERE WAS A CONTRACT. IF YOU ARE BEING SUED FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THERE IS A CONTRACT. Jesus.


Lol.. if EG takes a player from SlayerS, Jessica will make sure they don't leave Korea alive.

Jessica will see to the destruction of EG within the hour

Haha its very rare that I literally lol but the image of Jessica single handedly tearing down EG got me...


She's in the entertainment industry.. She could probably get it done.
BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
January 18 2012 06:19 GMT
#180
On January 18 2012 14:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 14:50 rauk wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:49 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 18 2012 14:47 rauk wrote:
how on earth can TSL be this badly mismanaged that they keep losing players like this so consistently

Can you really blame Coach Lee? He lets Fnatic into his team house, they begin to work on a partnership, and then Fnatic takes aLive?


if all these players (rain, puma, clide, sangho, alive, etc) are so eager to jump ship from TSL clearly coach lee is doing something wrong

aLive was apparently poached (I had heard otherwise, this is news to me) and left the team house with his best friend who's name I won't reveal.



Wait, you say aLive left with his best friend.. isn't that Polt? Don't tell me they're losing him as well..
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