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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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rod-
Norway379 Posts
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:37 hyperknight wrote: clearing the facts from the drama posts from all the information I've collected so far about this issue: 1) Coach Lee is the owner/manager/coach of TSL. He is the ultimate authority in the team. It is impossible for a coach-management dispute unless he suffers from split personality syndrome -_- 2) The terms of the contract between aLive and TSL are known by nobody besides those 2. So stop the gossip about who's right and who's wrong. We can all wait for fnatic's statement regarding this issue to clarify on this matter, as well as an official statement from Coach Lee, if he makes one. Being furious and saying I'm taking you to court is one thing and then calmy recollecting your thoughts and giving a statement of the events that transpired is another thing. 3) There was NO fnatic player staying or training in the TSL house besides Rain. ToD is the only other fnatic player in Korea and he stays at the GOM house. The whole allegation that "we let them stay here and they poach our player" is unfounded in my opinion, as Rain was a ex-TSL player and regards Lee very highly and Coach Lee considers Rain almost like a son from what I've heard. There was no training going on in TSL house for fnatic players besides Rain. Talks of a partnership transpired by the whole "only signing was left and then they backed out and took aLive with them so the whole partnership was only a backdrop to poach aLive" seems highly exaggerated. There needs to be clarity on this issue as well. Sources would help to really validate your points. I can't wait to see how this unfolds. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:40 VirgilSC2 wrote: aLive was under contract. It's 100% fact. Ohh I suppose I should read the last sentence of the OP >_< But is there any proof that Fnatic coerced Alive to join them? Throwing around that term is kinda hefty, suppose' asking you is probably the best way to get an answer because you're Mr. Insider! :p | ||
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SilentShout
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:39 MonkSEA wrote: I'm going to wait on my judgement until there is facts that Alive was under contract. Poaching players is disrespectful, not only to the other team but the community. Having a black mark per say to your teams name, is going to make Fnatic a no-name Foreigner team. What Korean team would want to even think about partnering with a team who has a black mark about poaching? But like I said, at this stage there isn't any facts that Alive was coerced to leave, and there isn't any facts that Alive was under a contract. Until they are released I'll -try- not have a judgement into this, but if they did.. ohh boy, this is going to become hell for Fnatic to clean up. It was kinda fishy that there was so much hype for the the acquisition of Moon into Fnatic. But there was no hype at all for Alive who is a Code S player. IMO There is some shady stuff going on Fnatic. | ||
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Gh86
646 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:37 leecH wrote: what kind of contract must this be that forbids you to talk to other teams? i could meet with other companies for a job interview.. thats my business and i am free to do so... i am very confused about the legal actions. and if my boss would say hes taking legal actions id be out of the office the moment i hear it. thats no healthy way to work/practice. Most regular employment contracts have a standard clause to terminate employment given due notice as it is fairly easy to acquire replacements that are up to par. However, that doesn't seem like a good idea to have those type of clauses for these specific unique skills based contracts, so probably not the case here. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:42 MonkSEA wrote: Ohh I suppose I should read the last sentence of the OP >_< But is there any proof that Fnatic coerced Alive to join them? Throwing around that term is kinda hefty, suppose' asking you is probably the best way to get an answer because you're Mr. Insider! :p I was aware that Fnatic "coerced" him to leave, however I was NOT aware they didn't buy out his contract. I had heard from a secondary source that they DID in fact buy out the contract, but I can't confirm that. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On January 18 2012 14:58 Sublimexx wrote: Why would you leave TSL to join a sub par, half dead foreign team? because korean teams have very little funding while the foreign organisations all seem to have deep deep pockets... | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:39 MonkSEA wrote: I'm going to wait on my judgement until there is facts that Alive was under contract. Poaching players is disrespectful, not only to the other team but the community. Having a black mark per say to your teams name, is going to make Fnatic a no-name Foreigner team. What Korean team would want to even think about partnering with a team who has a black mark about poaching? But like I said, at this stage there isn't any facts that Alive was coerced to leave, and there isn't any facts that Alive was under a contract. Until they are released I'll -try- not have a judgement into this, but if they did.. ohh boy, this is going to become hell for Fnatic to clean up. Okay. This is a shit argument, because we already know that over time, people don't give a shit: EG and SlayerS, for instance, say hello, and I believe that was bigger news due to a.) the novelty of it, and b.) the fact that it happened right after PuMa won NASL. Add the fact that EG was involved, and the blow-up was even larger. The only difference here is that aLive had a contract, in which case, it is aLive's fault for allegedly breaching the terms of his contract. (Fnatic should probably not have encouraged this behavior, however.) ZeNEX, btw, also accused SlayerS of poaching Taeja. Rekrul claims that Lee poached FD and Tester from oGs. I'm sure if you dig even deeper, you'll find more examples of "poaching" going on in the scene. The Korean scene really isn't all that clean and white as you seem to suggest. | ||
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weeA
India442 Posts
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ToD
France222 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:45 ToD wrote: aLive hasn't joined us actually.... Then what has he done? | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:44 VirgilSC2 wrote: I was aware that Fnatic "coerced" him to leave, however I was NOT aware they didn't buy out his contract. I had heard from a secondary source that they DID in fact buy out the contract, but I can't confirm that. Hmm.. I don't think anyone would want to deal with Fnatic now that they coerced and poached a player from a team that they were trying to get a partnership with. I dunno' I'll be interested to see what Fnatic has to say about this in their statement, I feel like Fnatic players are probably going to feel the pressure of being on a team with such a major ethic and legal violation. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Haha its very rare that I literally lol but the image of Jessica single handedly tearing down EG got me... She give me that stalker yandere feel, for the sake of SlayerS she will do anything. Like Gasia Yuno + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i7d85.jpg) | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:45 ToD wrote: aLive hasn't joined us actually.... The plot thickens....I'm actually incredibly confused now. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On January 18 2012 14:47 VirgilSC2 wrote: Hey guys......I told you so. Damn you Virgil... I remember the post where you said so... It is a bonus that, as I write this, your "Why TSL will win the GSTL" post has been bumped up XD | ||
Waxangel
United States33713 Posts
On January 18 2012 15:45 ToD wrote: aLive hasn't joined us actually.... DO TELL | ||
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
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