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leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 14:45:48
January 09 2012 14:45 GMT
#261
sad to see bw die, such a great game

excited to see these new players and what will they bring to the table
banelings
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 09 2012 14:46 GMT
#262
It's as if we need one of these threads every month or so, and everyone makes the exact same posts in them. You have the people saying "I'm taking this with a grain of salt", the people saying "They're going to destroy everyone!" and then the people who say "No they're not!". Of course finally, a bunch of people drop in to say "OMG I hope Flash and Jaedong switch!!!"

I'm quickly losing hope that these threads can produce anything useful or original, but whatever, I guess there's no harm in it.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 14:49:30
January 09 2012 14:46 GMT
#263
"I know that their results are very solid and consistent from brood war"

Yeah? Like results from 6 years ago or something? haha, no decent BW pro would switch to SC2 if they are doing good in BW.

I think its just a retired pro. And he probably wasn't doing too well when retired, but that should be more than enough for him to dominate SC2 scene anyway...

edit: BTW, not even Flash/Jaedong/Bisu can fix the game if it is broken, especially when its not even a finished game.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
January 09 2012 14:56 GMT
#264
This whole things feels like some kinda anime, higher beings descending on earth to wipe out humanity. scary shit!
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
January 09 2012 15:01 GMT
#265
This may be the end of the world as we know it...
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
Jurassic
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary79 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 15:04:57
January 09 2012 15:03 GMT
#266
On January 09 2012 23:46 fabiano wrote:
"I know that their results are very solid and consistent from brood war"

Yeah? Like results from 6 years ago or something? haha, no decent BW pro would switch to SC2 if they are doing good in BW.

I think its just a retired pro. And he probably wasn't doing too well when retired, but that should be more than enough for him to dominate SC2 scene anyway...

edit: BTW, not even Flash/Jaedong/Bisu can fix the game if it is broken, especially when its not even a finished game.


It isn't as perfect as BW, but it's a really good game and far from broken. Players like Flash will abuse it to hell, so Blizzard will fix what they can, the rest will evolve by the players. The whole BW scene is probably going to switch within a year anyway.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
January 09 2012 15:03 GMT
#267
I'm skeptical about this-

Any A-team BW pro that is currently competing in the SPL Proleague will not switch over ATM, because they are not practicing SC2 instead of BW in their practice time, because their team depends on them to win the PL matches (so they will only be practicing BW). Not even their practice partners, who are the B-teamers, since their time is ate up by being the practice partners of the A-teamers.

If any of this leak would hold true, it would be the previous members of the disbanded teams who weren't picked up switching over.
jaedong imba
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
January 09 2012 15:05 GMT
#268
On January 09 2012 23:46 tree.hugger wrote:
It's as if we need one of these threads every month or so, and everyone makes the exact same posts in them. You have the people saying "I'm taking this with a grain of salt", the people saying "They're going to destroy everyone!" and then the people who say "No they're not!". Of course finally, a bunch of people drop in to say "OMG I hope Flash and Jaedong switch!!!"

I'm quickly losing hope that these threads can produce anything useful or original, but whatever, I guess there's no harm in it.


To be fair tree, I think its dawned on people that its 2012. So at least this time there's end-of-the-world theories spread in there as well.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
MrSilent
Profile Joined May 2010
United States27 Posts
January 09 2012 15:05 GMT
#269
I feel more and more like a peon day after day.. ^^
ReySilent
Felvo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States124 Posts
January 09 2012 15:18 GMT
#270
What I personally can't wait for is when a new generation of gamers beings to understand and play StarCraft II. Logically it makes sense as well. Every good BW player had to start a game that was semi-unknown and then each player rose to later success. As of right now most of the SC2 pros are old BW players usually within the level of Code B and sometimes Code C or below. The SC2 players now are the ones that had an altered view to gaming then when the first generation of BW pros appeared. New, younger players need to emerge, in my opinion, to have a different view of the game. Even if BW pros come over it'll be the BW style of play that will most likely be adapted to SC2 units and maps.

Having a random 15 year old with little to no experience in the pro gaming scene and has the dedication to work for the game will be a lot more successful. Take Flash for example. Flash is one of the most successful pro gamers of all time and his debut was when he was about 15. His view on the game and style itself revolutionized the BW pro scene.

My question is...What happens when the generation of young teenagers now develop passion for this game and begin to compete?

Hopefully Blizzard will be able to provide us with another extensively strategic game such as BW.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 09 2012 15:22 GMT
#271
On January 09 2012 23:46 tree.hugger wrote:
It's as if we need one of these threads every month or so, and everyone makes the exact same posts in them. You have the people saying "I'm taking this with a grain of salt", the people saying "They're going to destroy everyone!" and then the people who say "No they're not!". Of course finally, a bunch of people drop in to say "OMG I hope Flash and Jaedong switch!!!"

I'm quickly losing hope that these threads can produce anything useful or original, but whatever, I guess there's no harm in it.

people need some drama in their daily life
Stork[gm]
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 15:33:59
January 09 2012 15:25 GMT
#272
On January 09 2012 23:22 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 22:34 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:45 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 09 2012 20:50 RelZo wrote:
LOL @ ppl thinking that ex-A teamers (A TEAMERS!!!) won't totally dominate the SC2 scene. And no, current A-teamers won't switch, proleague is too competitive right now.

It is not quaranteed succes if you were a-teamer in brood war, it just means that you have higher chance of succes than lets say b-teamers

There is many b-teamers who kinda dominate the scene and many b-teamers who fail at the competition. There is just too much variance. This is why bw-succes does not automatically grant you great succes at sc2, it just means that probably it is somewhat higher probability.


Face it. SC2 scene is dominated by ex-Brood War players who were good at it. It's not about chance, it about time. Success is absolutely guaranteed and the question you should be asking is not "Will they succeed?" but "How long will it take them to takeover the current 'Good' SC2 players when the 'Good' BW players switch?".

Also, regarding the title: 'Top'? Hardly believable. Any 'Top' BW progamer would be crazy to switch to SC2 now.

I would not call most of ex-bw players careers very "succes", but mediocre and many of them are very bad aswell.


I don't think you understood what I said.

What I mean to say is that the current 'good' SC2 players will fade away and will be replaced by the 'good' players of BW with time. It's not about the level of success per player, it's about success of surpassing the current 'good' SC2 players while maintaining the ladder of skill among the 'TOP' A-Teamers. Think of it this way, If you have any idea about the BW scene if ever the current 'good' BW players transfer to SC2, this is what I am talking about

Flash > Bisu > Jaedong > Stork > Jangbi > Fantasy > Hydra > Zero > Baby > Sea > Jaehoon > Calm > Reality > Hyvva > MVP


On January 09 2012 23:46 tree.hugger wrote:
It's as if we need one of these threads every month or so, and everyone makes the exact same posts in them. You have the people saying "I'm taking this with a grain of salt", the people saying "They're going to destroy everyone!" and then the people who say "No they're not!". Of course finally, a bunch of people drop in to say "OMG I hope Flash and Jaedong switch!!!"

I'm quickly losing hope that these threads can produce anything useful or original, but whatever, I guess there's no harm in it.


This is what the "Elephant in the Room" was all about. SC2 fans wanting higher game play that the noticeable deniers clearly can't deliver.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 15:59:48
January 09 2012 15:56 GMT
#273
On January 09 2012 19:31 shadymmj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 17:31 lFrost wrote:
if the details in boss' post are correct then i doubt the bw pros switching over are ones that have played a proleague match this season. no bw team would seed any A teamer out in proleague that hasnt been practicing sc1 for the last couple months. so the people he is talking about are probably some a-teamers for the 3 bw teams that recently disbanded: FOX, OZ, MBC. so maybe (P)Pure, (Z)Saint, (T)RuBy, (P)Pusan, (T)major, (T)HiyA, (P)PerfectMan?


i would say likely, minus the obviously retired ones.

real A teamers like fantasy, stats, leta, reality, zero
very unlikely


Vert unlikely for 40 days, but very likely by the end of the year or so.
BW was amazing, but sadly all good things come to an end. But when you look more than 10 years of a game with such an incredible history that still going on now. More skill influx to the SC2 will make it more balanced, as more things will be exposed. It is definetely good thing that a lot of SC pros are switching and not retiring, look on the bright side - you can cheer for your favorite players for longer now.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 09 2012 15:57 GMT
#274
On January 09 2012 23:46 tree.hugger wrote:
It's as if we need one of these threads every month or so, and everyone makes the exact same posts in them. You have the people saying "I'm taking this with a grain of salt", the people saying "They're going to destroy everyone!" and then the people who say "No they're not!". Of course finally, a bunch of people drop in to say "OMG I hope Flash and Jaedong switch!!!"

I'm quickly losing hope that these threads can produce anything useful or original, but whatever, I guess there's no harm in it.


Hopefully they will end this year at least.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
January 09 2012 16:01 GMT
#275
This thread comes up every other month.

Even Hwanni was msging Artosis on his stream last week or so about how he trolled a lot of people on playxp about how some top BW pros were SWITCHING OVER.

I care, people switching over is big and interesting if its true, but I can't feel anything about rumours like these until theres actually something confirmed, and even then, not every A-teamer that happens to switch will necessarily end up being a big thing.

Wait and see
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
January 09 2012 16:04 GMT
#276
On January 09 2012 23:26 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:41 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:32 Lorch wrote:
if kespa will ever host sc2 competitions, it will atleast be in a corporation between kespa, ogn and blizzard.

fixed for you. gom has no chance.


Why not?

currently gom holds all rights to sc2 content in korea which includes (tournament rights and broadcasting rights)
if kespa gets tournament rights, ogn most probably will be the broadcaster of choice.

for broadcasting reasons, ogn production + infrastructure far exceeds what gom offers.
for other reasons, kespa-gom bad blood.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
January 09 2012 16:16 GMT
#277
I don't see a current A-teamer switching over. "I know that their results are very solid and consistent from brood war." If their results are solid and consistent then why would they switch? BW in Korea is still more popular than SC2 and has more money involved. If anybody is switching my money is on someone who retired from BW several months/years ago.
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
January 09 2012 16:22 GMT
#278
On January 09 2012 21:32 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 19:57 bmml wrote:
People need to understand that there is no reason Kespa players would start playing in GOM run leagues, I mean fuck they arent even on TV and it seems as though GOM is basically living off of foreign subscriptions (and treating us the worst, go figure). That isn't what these big sponsors in Kespa pay for, if they move over I assume they'll have their own league running alongside their proleague / OSL shows.


Kespa players have licenses for being starcraft 1 progamers for kespa (which is the sickest pain in the ass for blizz btw since they don't get any money from kespA), if they'd switch they would no longer be kespa players, you know like every bw pro that has switched thus far has no longer any buisness with kespa.
GOM is a tv channel in korea, you know gomtv, go to gomtv.com and check out the korean site which features a lot more than just the gsl. The only thing about the gsl that lifes of foreigner subscriptions is the foreigner production, and the current stream quality is the quality it is because thats how much the current subscription are able to pay for.
GOM has exclusive sc2 rights for I think atleast this year, or maybe just half of it. And even though blizz invited some bw pros to blizzcon to show them how big sc2 is in the foreign scene atm, all the shit that happened between kespa and blizz kinda makes me believe that if kespa will ever host sc2 competitions, it will atleast be in a corporation between kespa, gom and blizzard.


Wasn't the lawsuit between kespa and blizzard settled and now blizzard is getting money from them? I thought that happened and they were friendly now.
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 16:26:43
January 09 2012 16:25 GMT
#279
nvm, Hiya doin military
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 16:32:32
January 09 2012 16:32 GMT
#280


I am just hoping for OSL / MSL intros in GSL. Tournaments are so much more fun with sick hype!
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