So for those who don't know, DJWheat just hopped on to the HomeStory Cup stream and officially stated that TwitchTV are giving an extra $5000 to the tournament. After all of the banter afterwards, Take decided that the he'd ask the community to see how it should be spent. So, how do you guys think it should be spent?
Poll: How to distribute the $5k?
Spread it across all the competitors (1561)
50%
Spread it across the top 8 (640)
21%
Mixture of prize-pool and showmatches (335)
11%
Spend it all on beer! (325)
10%
Give it all to the winner (166)
5%
Add to the lower finished players (90)
3%
3117 total votes
Your vote: How to distribute the $5k?
(Vote): Give it all to the winner (Vote): Spread it across the top 8 (Vote): Add to the lower finished players (Vote): Spread it across all the competitors (Vote): Mixture of prize-pool and showmatches (Vote): Spend it all on beer!
For the record, Plexa said that I can make this, as Take is cool with it
I'd like to add: Twitch, you guys are freaking awesome! Also, if anyone has specifics on how the money should be spread out, please post it in this thread so Take can have a look and pick how he want's it done.
EDIT1: I'll start adding some of the unique ideas that may well be awesome
On January 07 2012 07:10 djfoxmccloud wrote: 4v4 tournanament
8 team of 4 people, no loser bracket, winning team take it all
On January 07 2012 07:32 Chill wrote: I think spreading it across all players spreads it too thin. I think there should be 3 categories all the players secretly vote on, like in a beauty pageant. Mr. Congeniality etc. Winners split the cash.
EDIT 2: A fair few people think that this should be spent on HomeStory Cup 5! can't add it in the poll (I think?) so if you want that option, please show your support by posting it in here!
EDIT 3: While a second tournament would be awesome guys, don't forget that there will be limited time, so anything which will take a while to do isn't really feasible. Please take that into consideration. Tournaments may be ok, but not ones that are too long
All the players should get some of the money, because players like MoMan that won't finish high really contributed to making this tourney awesome with their casting.
I say either spread it across everyone or the idea that was suggested in the LR thread of making 2v2 showmatches with people and have the money as prizes
On January 07 2012 07:01 Firesilver wrote: I think it should be spread across all the players, they've all made this event so awesome and special to watch.
This. Normally I would suggest to give it only to high finishing players but on this tournament all the players are definatly adding to the experience.
Finally a sane poll that offers to share equally the money.
But I find it wierd that twitch gives this money that way. Nobody remembers who gave the first 15000$ of the prize pool but now Twitch gets all the fame for the 5000$ :/ Good initiative anyways but a bit wierd.
hey thx for setting up this thread....go and spread it... btw here is my suggestion: I suggest to put 4000€ in the big prize pool... so that it will look like this: (suggested prizepool) 1st $ 7500 + 1500 = 9000 2nd $ 3500 + 1000 = 4500 3rd $ 2000 + 500 = 2500 4th $ 1000 + 400 = 1400 5th $ 300 + 200 = 500 6th $ 300 + 200 = 500 7th $ 200 + 100 = 300 8th $ 200 + 100 = 300
aaaaannnd i want the remaining 1000 bucks for Showmatches....like 5 showmatches, chosen by the community who will play and 200 for each winner....
wouldn't that be nice?
Also big shoutous to TwitchTV the LEADING platform when it comes to streaming <3<3<3<3
On January 07 2012 07:00 Logros wrote: Mostly prize-pool but some small showmatches.
Yeah this seems the most fun! I would suggest that they turn the tables: $4500 go towards the prize pool; $250 towards a Take vs Rotterdam showmatch casted by MKP and MC and the winner plays for an additional $250 against MC / MKP (maybe playing one-handed) commentated by the loser and MC /MKP.
On January 07 2012 07:00 Logros wrote: Mostly prize-pool but some small showmatches.
Yeah this seems the most fun! I would suggest that they turn the tables: $4500 go towards the prize pool; $250 towards a Take vs Rotterdam showmatch casted by MKP and MC and the winner plays for an additional $250 against a MC / MKP (may be playing one-handed) commentated by the loser and MC /MKP.
MKP on the keyboard and MC on the mouse or vice versa would be epic
On January 07 2012 07:05 Hufi wrote: hey thx for setting up this thread....go and spread it... btw here is my suggestion: I suggest to put 4000€ in the big prize pool... so that it will look like this: (suggested prizepool) 1st $ 7500 + 1500 = 9000 2nd $ 3500 + 1000 = 4500 3rd $ 2000 + 500 = 2500 4th $ 1000 + 400 = 1400 5th $ 300 + 200 = 500 6th $ 300 + 200 = 500 7th $ 200 + 100 = 300 8th $ 200 + 100 = 300
aaaaannnd i want the remaining 1000 bugs for Showmatches....like 5 showmatches, chosen by the community who will play and 200 for each winner....
wouldn't that be nice?
Also big shoutous to TwitchTV the LEADING platform when it comes to streaming <3<3<3<3
This is hilarious. Do you call them "bugs" in german or are you trying to say "bucks" which is slang for dollars in english.
I want the money to go to some combination of booze (not beer) and showmatches (east vs west with one player on keyboard and one on mouse comes to mind)
Save the money and use it to pay the trip for more koreans next time, cause obviously it would have been nice to have like nestea and mvp here. Sad this is not an option in the poll
On January 07 2012 07:05 Hufi wrote: hey thx for setting up this thread....go and spread it... btw here is my suggestion: I suggest to put 4000€ in the big prize pool... so that it will look like this: (suggested prizepool) 1st $ 7500 + 1500 = 9000 2nd $ 3500 + 1000 = 4500 3rd $ 2000 + 500 = 2500 4th $ 1000 + 400 = 1400 5th $ 300 + 200 = 500 6th $ 300 + 200 = 500 7th $ 200 + 100 = 300 8th $ 200 + 100 = 300
aaaaannnd i want the remaining 1000 bugs for Showmatches....like 5 showmatches, chosen by the community who will play and 200 for each winner....
wouldn't that be nice?
Also big shoutous to TwitchTV the LEADING platform when it comes to streaming <3<3<3<3
This is hilarious. Do you call them "bugs" in german or are you trying to say "bucks" which is slang for dollars in english
haha lol wanted to say bucks....sounds much cooler than dollar
At first i liked to spread the 5,000$ evenly between the top8 finishers, but now, after reading the comments, i like Firesilvers argument a lot! And I agree, there are a lot of players who contributed to a very enjoyable event.
Also, the productionvalue improved greatly! Hopefully the ladys and gentlemen in the background get compensated, too
On January 07 2012 07:10 DerFreemind wrote: they should add a extra donationbutton! I would love to donate some extra money for such a awesome tournament!!!
Poker Tournament obv. :-) and drinking games!! .. Besides that, i would split it to everyone cause thats helping more than to some individuals. Twitch.TV u fucking own <3
On January 07 2012 07:10 DerFreemind wrote: they should add a extra donationbutton! I would love to donate some extra money for such a awesome tournament!!!
Yea give all the players 100 or so. So many players who are finishing out of the money still put forth a ton of effort in casting, and just contributing to the most unique tourni there is. So lets give all the players some cash and then the left over can go the winner.
btw- any other tourni I'd say spread out to top 8 or even just top 2. But this is HSC, special circumstances must be considered
On January 07 2012 07:05 Hufi wrote: hey thx for setting up this thread....go and spread it... btw here is my suggestion: I suggest to put 4000€ in the big prize pool... so that it will look like this: (suggested prizepool) 1st $ 7500 + 1500 = 9000 2nd $ 3500 + 1000 = 4500 3rd $ 2000 + 500 = 2500 4th $ 1000 + 400 = 1400 5th $ 300 + 200 = 500 6th $ 300 + 200 = 500 7th $ 200 + 100 = 300 8th $ 200 + 100 = 300
aaaaannnd i want the remaining 1000 bucks for Showmatches....like 5 showmatches, chosen by the community who will play and 200 for each winner....
wouldn't that be nice?
Also big shoutous to TwitchTV the LEADING platform when it comes to streaming <3<3<3<3
edit: now they get bucks instead of bugs ^^
This is the right thing to do, we all know it... but You know how Ned Stark finished after doing the right thing...
Whilst I certainly wouldn't mind the money being used in some fun way, I think it'd be really cool to spread it amongst everyone. This tournament is so much more than just the games as a viewer and I think recognising the players even more that already for more than just those games would be awesome.
Gotta scratch my head at the spread it to everyone option. $156 for each of the 32 players does pretty much nothing for the effort involved. He goes from having to worry about getting money to 8 players to all of a sudden 32 players. Adding it to the Top 8 at least gives them something more to play for or hell even the showmatch option would be fun. Make 5 polls with 5 matches each and let the community decide. $700 first, $300 second. One match per player to get as many people involved.
I think everyone at some level agrees that it should go into the prize pool and that prize pools need to be less top-heavy. But am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of prizes for people who go out first round at invitational tournaments? I really think we need this to be more of a sport and less of a popularity contest. I wouldn't mind them getting a little, but my vote would be to spread it in the top 16.
On January 07 2012 07:10 DerFreemind wrote: they should add a extra donationbutton! I would love to donate some extra money for such a awesome tournament!!!
On January 07 2012 07:22 aristarchus wrote: I think everyone at some level agrees that it should go into the prize pool and that prize pools need to be less top-heavy. But am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of prizes for people who go out first round at invitational tournaments? I really think we need this to be more of a sport and less of a popularity contest. I wouldn't mind them getting a little, but my vote would be to spread it in the top 16.
You make a great point.. especially about it needing to be more like a sport.. but I think in this case, for this type of event, it should be spread out even more. This event was really about the players and combining a real competition with a 'home' feel to it. When I welcome people into my home..I want to host them by offering them all some of my hospitality. I think that is the idea here.
I would spread it out to at least the top 16.. those that advanced from the group stage and I would offer up some show matches or something for those that did not advance.. for an opportunity to feel a bit more included.
It's too bad that Twitch.TV did not announce this BEFORE Group stages were almost completed though.
I think spreading it across all players spreads it too thin. I think there should be 3 categories all the players secretly vote on, like in a beauty pageant. Mr. Congeniality etc. Winners split the cash.
On January 07 2012 07:22 aristarchus wrote: I think everyone at some level agrees that it should go into the prize pool and that prize pools need to be less top-heavy. But am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of prizes for people who go out first round at invitational tournaments? I really think we need this to be more of a sport and less of a popularity contest. I wouldn't mind them getting a little, but my vote would be to spread it in the top 16.
The problem with that is that some of the lower tier players don't get a lot of money from their teams, don't get money from winning the tourny, and won't even be able to come to a lot of tournaments if there isn't some kind of compensation. I mean, look at it like this: You spend a week or two planning your trip, then you buy a ticket to fly out there, spend a couple of days there, and you go out first round, which under your system means you get nothing. So now you've essentially spent 1-2 weeks of working for no pay. Now, the tournament sponsors and the tournament itself still gets the money from your match, but under your system you made them money and didn't get anything at all. You may as well have not even gone, but if you do that then the tournament is not really going to work. If only the richest and absolute best players can even afford to play then the viewership will probably not grow out of the niche it's in. There would be no up and coming players because only established names would be able to compete in the big-time tournaments.
In "real sports" the players usually have teams that pay them salary, or a league that sets a minimum, or a players union that can argue on their behalf. In e-sports, it is not so established and therefore much harder for the little guy to be able to support himself and turn himself into a big guy.
EDIT: The reason why I think this is the superior idea is because no other league or cup honours the pimp plays that we are blessed with throughout said tournaments, and so far this tournament has definitely seen some pretty cool moves (i.e. Grubby reinventing the townportal in SC2).
Doing this would definitely set HSC apart from other tournaments and even act as an epic highlight reel whilst at the same time hopefully provide players with a bit more of an incentament to think outside the box...
On January 07 2012 07:05 Hufi wrote: hey thx for setting up this thread....go and spread it... btw here is my suggestion: I suggest to put 4000€ in the big prize pool... so that it will look like this: (suggested prizepool) 1st $ 7500 + 1500 = 9000 2nd $ 3500 + 1000 = 4500 3rd $ 2000 + 500 = 2500 4th $ 1000 + 400 = 1400 5th $ 300 + 200 = 500 6th $ 300 + 200 = 500 7th $ 200 + 100 = 300 8th $ 200 + 100 = 300
aaaaannnd i want the remaining 1000 bucks for Showmatches....like 5 showmatches, chosen by the community who will play and 200 for each winner....
wouldn't that be nice?
Also big shoutous to TwitchTV the LEADING platform when it comes to streaming <3<3<3<3
edit: now they get bucks instead of bugs ^^
Another option: Keep the $5000 for HomeStory Cup 5 with a prize distribution similar to the above quote (just make sure to bump the prize distribution to $20000 for HSC 5 if possible or just keep it the same as the current one). The current prize distribution (before any additions) is quite agreeable. Thumbs up! Keep up the good work! Keep the ball rolling! (don't let it stop!)
I'd rather it spread between all players, sure spread between that many people its not much, but every bit helps, doing any kind of voting/popularity contest thing just sounds terrible to me.
On January 07 2012 07:32 Chill wrote: I think spreading it across all players spreads it too thin. I think there should be 3 categories all the players secretly vote on, like in a beauty pageant. Mr. Congeniality etc. Winners split the cash.
I like Chill's idea. We should vote for something fun, would be pretty funny !
On January 07 2012 07:10 DerFreemind wrote: they should add a extra donationbutton! I would love to donate some extra money for such a awesome tournament!!!
How about a Teamleague style. 5 1v1's with captains picking the teams. I don't know if there is enough time to organize it so maybe showmatches would be a safe choice.
I would prefer to spend it on all the players equally. In general I'm not a huge fan of having only high reward for the winner and low to nothing for the group play loosers. So in my opinion equally to all would be best
Could add a small most entertaining game award(award goes to both players), best comeback, best guest caster, best micro, greediest build, biggest mistake etc etc.
If they do showmatches for the money it could be unfair unless it's 4v4's or something.
Where is the option to add it to next seasons production or prize pool? Sure it would be nice to buy a few extra kegs but I think investing it into future events would pay off in the long run.
It would be cool if some gets spread out to the players and it would be really awesome if there were some Player-Awards like: Funniest BO, Most Innovative Playstyle and so on.
Add some to deepen the prizepool. Save at least a thousand for showmatches! Seeing the Pros playing serious 2v2 is very unusual and it would be tons of fun.
Those who didnt advance out of group stage play a small single elimination bo1 tournament: 1st place 3k, 2nd place 1k, 3rd place 700$ and 4th place 300$.
I think a way of entertaining the audience while spreading it efficiently as opposed to very thin such as suggested would be the best decision. Maybe some sort of awards such as best player caster, or as suggested maybe a 4v4 mini tourney.
Do a little of EVERYTHING, obviously. Because if it's for the esports community, it would be best to do a little of everything, and give more money to the things people want more than the others.
The guys who fail to qualify for Top 8 (out of the top 16 for day 3)...Run a Single elim tourney for them and distribute 5k amongst all of them equally . You can run that tourney as a pre cursor to the actual finals and still have enough time to fit all of it in ...would be fun for you and the viewers
Voted to spread it across all the competitors but I also think it would be a good idea to try to compensate folks who produce extra content for the event. Interviews, photos, writeups, things like that. HSC is such a unique event in some ways, and it'd be neat to take advantage of the accessibility of the setting to get more of the stories out.
On January 07 2012 09:39 caydus wrote: why not take all of the players that got eliminated in the 1st and 2nd group stages and have a single elim side tourny for the 5k?
because someone gets rewarded for dropping out early and wins a lot more than rank 4 of the acutal tournament?^^
I don't know about the 4v4 idea. I haven't watched too many 4v4s, but the ones I did were short games because the momentum seemed to pile up much faster than in 1v1 for the winning side, and all in all too chaotic to make for good spectating. I like the idea that it becomes chaotic in the sense that it will produce many funny moments and a relaxed atmosphere - but Homestory Cup already produces that on top of great, entertaining 1v1s.
So I vote for a mix of showmatches which will all be 1v1, and distributing it among all the players.
On January 07 2012 09:49 e4e5nf3 wrote: Give it to the casters. Based on another thread aren't they the ones luring the 40k viewers to the event? Yes, the casters deserve the money.
The line dividing casters from players seems to almost disappear once all these crazy people step into Take's apartment though, so who gets and who doesn't then? :p
On January 07 2012 09:08 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Do a little of EVERYTHING, obviously. Because if it's for the esports community, it would be best to do a little of everything, and give more money to the things people want more than the others.
This. Something like several $100 showmatches, +$100 for every participating player, +$100 for every player in top 8...
On January 07 2012 09:39 caydus wrote: why not take all of the players that got eliminated in the 1st and 2nd group stages and have a single elim side tourny for the 5k?
Because then it would be better to get knocked out in the 1st round instead of advancing because you get to compete against much less scary players for only 1/3 of the regular prize pool.
If you are going to have an extra side tournament or show matches it should be something unique instead of just regular sc2 games that we already have plenty of this weekend with these players. I vote for sc2broodwar but team games would be cool also. (or if you want to get really crazy the heart of the swarm custom map would be cool. There should be a past present future tournament sometime that has a bo3 with sc2bw, sc2, hots custom one map each)
Why not give 100$ to all the players/casters (so around 3,5k$) for the amazing job they do. Even players who don't do well as Moman, Thorzain, Incontrol... provide a good and funny casting job.
For the rest of the prize, i love the idea of the fun mini-tourney 4v4 (or any of fun tourney format) with top 3 rewarded as 1000$, 300$, 200$ something like that. Showmatchs are good too. We can see again losers playing a bit
Good job to all the team, and thx twitch.tv (Dj Wheat) for this unexpected support
I want to say give it all to MC and Marineking as incentive to commentate in the future, but I think it should be spread evenly with everyone. And the idea to set aside $1k for showmatches is an excellent one too.
Problem with 1v1 showmatches is that so few of them would get a shot at winning any of the money.
I agree with the ones that said they shouldnt dump all money into one thing. And in my opinion it should be on things that fit the homestory cup atmosphere instead of just adding all of it to the main price pool.
Perhaps some awards like best comeback, biggest mistake, best guest caster, best guest caster combo, funniest guest caster, game of the night, most positive loser, most innovating game play etc. Some 1v1 show matches for like $25-$50, bo1 4v4 tournament, $100 dance competiton(gogo MC), karaoke competition, <insert things that would be fun to see here>.
Question is if they have time to broadcast many showmatches(would love some 4v4's personally). If they don't I vote for spending some of it on awards, which is easy to credit to twitch as well.
I love the idea of a special event lik ea 4v4 or something silly like a beauty pagent. Or maybe get everyone super fucking drunk and have them play that way. ^_^
I voted spread around all, because they all have given us an amazing show, just by being there, no matter if they won or not. There still will be the biggest prize for the winner and I too like KalWarkov's suggestion very much!
Why no voting option for at least a portion to charity? Even if it was dedicated for the tourney, it would be a very nice gesture (with TwitchTV's permission) to take a bit of it and donate in the name of esports.
I mean, theres players who are losing all 3 games, getting knocked out of the first tourney of the year (all of them prolly dreamt about a "better" 2012"), then they just swallow the pain and cast games for ALL of us. So spread it even plz.
I'd like for all players to get a portion of it - professional gaming is tough on the money side, and it can be hard to get by sometimes. They all came together to put the tournament on for us, so it seems right that they all receive something in return, even if it's only a small amount.
I like sAsImre's idea. Give maybe 2k to the crew if they were volunteers. Because HSC4 has been the most on-time tournament I've ever watched. Always starting on time and minimal technical/stream issues.
Then use the other 3k for 4v4s :D 8 teams of 4 (could just use the ro32 groups). Winner 2k, second place 1k. It's not a lot of money after you split it, but it's just for funzies anyway.
I don't think they need to add it to the prize pool. With 15k, there's already more than enough incentive for the players to do their best. So might as well use the donation to thank the crew and add another dimension to HSC, which focuses on player interactions, with 4v4s.
This is my personal belief, probably jaded by the fact that I personally put $1,400 out of my own pocket to send KawaiiRice to the event.
If Twitch is putting $5,000 towards the tournament as a big grassroots / community thing, which is basically what HSC is, splitting it amongst all the players makes the most sense.
It'd be great to know that KawaiiRice can come home with something, after all. The people who don't advance out of the first group stage are done... nothing to do for the rest of the 3 days.. Also, there are some really strong players like HasuObs and Thorzain and Ret who are already out.
Might as well have a side tournament for like $3,000 for the Group Stage losers... and then split the remaining $2,000 to the main tournament pot.
That would be the best way. Let the 'losers' have more to play for!
On January 07 2012 16:55 Xeris wrote: This is my personal belief, probably jaded by the fact that I personally put $1,400 out of my own pocket to send KawaiiRice to the event.
If Twitch is putting $5,000 towards the tournament as a big grassroots / community thing, which is basically what HSC is, splitting it amongst all the players makes the most sense.
It'd be great to know that KawaiiRice can come home with something, after all. The people who don't advance out of the first group stage are done... nothing to do for the rest of the 3 days.. Also, there are some really strong players like HasuObs and Thorzain and Ret who are already out.
Might as well have a side tournament for like $3,000 for the Group Stage losers... and then split the remaining $2,000 to the main tournament pot.
That would be the best way. Let the 'losers' have more to play for!
That's a great idea, and would get my vote. That or HSC5.
On January 07 2012 17:41 Derity wrote: Twitch hijacking this tournament is quite a poor move. They could come forward with the money before it was successfully running.
You realise they were sponsoring it from the beginning, right? They've just decided to add more.
On January 07 2012 17:41 Derity wrote: Twitch hijacking this tournament is quite a poor move. They could come forward with the money before it was successfully running.
You realise they were sponsoring it from the beginning, right? They've just decided to add more.
On January 07 2012 07:05 chuky500 wrote: Finally a sane poll that offers to share equally the money.
But I find it wierd that twitch gives this money that way. Nobody remembers who gave the first 15000$ of the prize pool but now Twitch gets all the fame for the 5000$ :/ Good initiative anyways but a bit wierd.
Have you watched the stream? XMG and the other sponsors of HSCIV get a lot of exposure (product demo, ads etc)
I think it'd be nice if the $5000 created some extra content. Tournament with the people who are already out, or showmatches between whoever, sound like a great ideas.
Sure it can go into the main prizepool but what's the use, really? If it was added to the prizepool in advance the scene and tournament would benefit from it as well. Maybe we would have seen a couple more big name players, some extra media attention, or more viewers. The money won't really affect these things anymore and it makes more sense to make the most of it.
Don't get me wrong, the whole thing can only be a positive. Adding it to the prizepool is not a bad thing regardless, but yea using the money to create content would be beneficial for everyone.
On January 07 2012 18:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I think it'd be nice if the $5000 created some extra content. Tournament with the people who are already out, or showmatches between whoever, sound like a great ideas.
Sure it can go into the main prizepool but what's the use, really? If it was added to the prizepool in advance the scene and tournament would benefit from it as well. Maybe we would have seen a couple more big name players, some extra media attention, or more viewers. The money won't really affect these things anymore and it makes more sense to make the most of it.
Don't get me wrong, the whole thing can only be a positive. Adding it to the prizepool is not a bad thing regardless, but yea using the money to create content would be beneficial for everyone.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. More content please! Perhaps start a poll of 5 showmatches (1000$ to winner, bo3) and the community can choose which players they want to see facing each other off.
best commentators team awards ? but maybe something that will create additional content like nazgul mentioned.
I love HSC and the fact its one of the few places you get to know the players, I would love some idea along that line , that can take this even farther .
will just like to end with much kodus to everyone involved in this , such a great tournament .
On January 07 2012 18:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I think it'd be nice if the $5000 created some extra content. Tournament with the people who are already out, or showmatches between whoever, sound like a great ideas.
this. probably not enough time to really do long tournaments or too many showmatches, but plz make some use of it. maybe small fun tournament (guys who are out of the main tournament), few showmatches (community votes) and... not sure what else u can do to easily create some more content.
I agree that it should go toward some extra content, like showmatches or some crazy 2v2/4v4 tournament. The way I see it, going toward the normal prize pool = better for the players, and going toward extra content = better for the viewers, AND the players. Win-win.
it should be something strange like 4v4 or just keep the money for next tournament to pay the trip for more koreans that time like I've already said I personally wouldnt like normal 1v1 showmatches since we already got 4 days of 1v1 matches...
1: Go downstairs to the guys at the BarCraft and buy them beer 'till they are drunk off their asses. 2: Have a rally with all of them to see who can catch MKP running. 3: Set up a "impersonate MC-contest" - Bonus points for korean/english smack-talk 4: Develop a complicated scoring system assigning points based on progamer look-a-like-ness (long Socke/GoOdy hair etc) 5: ??? 6: Profit!!
On January 07 2012 19:28 teddyoojo wrote: 4v4 tournament sounds awesome, but i dont think theres time for it
8 teams in direct elimination means only 7 matches (4+2+1); each match requires just 8 pc stations simultaneously (4+4), which I think HSC has. Assuming around 30-min games that would require 3-4 hours which can be spread among the 2 days. It doesn't sound entirely impossible.
While i think the tournament ideas are awesome, don't forget that they are on a limited time schedule as well guys. So no big tournament would really be possible. A small one would be, but probably not a big one.
On January 07 2012 20:11 opterown wrote: a KOTH tournament for those who were knocked out in RO32 sounds fun :D prizes for each game, longest streak and also last man standing
I voted for showmatches but some sort of loser's bracket tourny sounds like a good idea
Some people were just invited and were swiftly disposed 0-3, I dont see why they should get any price money. Spread across Top16 is fine because all top 16 accomplish something (getting out of first group stage). Spread across top 8 is fine too. Creating extra content (showmatches, goofy 4v4s or FFAs) is also a good idea. But I really dont like the idea of just giving everyone 150$ in the hand, that sounds both boring and unfair to those who accomplished something.
Id say give top 8 an equel bonus, and the rest spent on some showmatches maybe make 2 random teams and let them do a BoX and the winner team wins some small cash from left overs i dunno
I think the best decicion would be to give it all to TAKE the host of the tournament as he did organise the whole tournament and holds the tournament in his OWN flat which is sooo amazing. More alc would prolly be nioce too^^
Buy everyone at the barcraft a beer and let the rest be price money for a 4v4 tour \o/
edit: that is if twitch wants it to be spread among ppl there. think the best would be to give as much to take personally so that he does not have any financial problems regarding financing this tour. the rest could be the price money for 4v4 (players randomly mixed into teams)
I think distributing it between all amazing players (and TaKe and co.) that made the awsomeness that is HSC possible would make a lot of sense, but I think it would end up being spread to thin.
So gogo showmatches I say! The more silly the better. Like a 4 vs 4 off-race tournament where teams of 4 foreigners try to take out an all-star corean team: MC, MKP, HerO and JYP.
Randomly picked 2v2 tournament with the people knocked out of the main tournament.
i.e. the 16 dropped at to Ro32 make 8 team, play 2v2. The winners then play the random groups from the players dropped in the Ro16 etc etc Until a final 2v2 with both players dropped in Ro4
Ideally I would say spread it across all the players, but that's only some 160 each. Also, if I remember correctly Blizzard gets half or something if the total prize pool is over 5k? That reduces it to 80.
Have some more relaxed games if the players are up for it. Have some team team games or something. Have a random drawing to spread players for teams without 4 players.
How about using this money for HSC5 to pay for travelling of some more players. This would make life easier for the players and would allow more pros to attend.
I like majoirty chose to spread it across all but an option to give it to the two competitors for the game of the day $500 each plus an xtra 500 each for game of tourn might incentivise exciting games
TT why does the majority want to spread it around across all the competitors... this does not make that much sense, after all it is a competition and giving away such a small fraction simply pleases no one - even if travel expenses are high ~150 bucks won´t change that much. I am fine with anything but that solution tbh - but majority vote counts I guess :,(
On January 07 2012 21:44 Doublemint wrote: TT why does the majority want to spread it around across all the competitors... this does not make that much sense, after all it is a competition and giving away such a small fraction simply pleases no one - even if travel expenses are high ~150 bucks won´t change that much. I am fine with anything but that solution tbh - but majority vote counts I guess :,(
Every little helps, and $150 is quite nice considering how much travel costs for the NA/KR players will be
i love the HSC my favourite format, and you can tell that the players all really are having a totally awesome time. Also incontrol, that guy should be forced to drink all the time and put on a stream. I was laughing so hard.
I definitely disagree with spreading it across all competitors. I think a significant chunk should probably go directly into the 1/2/3 placing prizes. Maybe as much as 3k of that money.
After that, maybe arrange some shenanigans. There's bar down below right? How about a Karaoke competition (voted on by the bar denizens)? Team charades? Dance off? Bench press competition? (just give Geoff the money now).
I suppose it sounds nice to spread it to everyone, but this is still a tournament and winning should matter. I'd like to see any and all money earned from actually winning or placing highly. If it were me, and i'm Twitch, and the money i gave was literally just handed out to everyone, well i could have just done that myself and wrote all the contestants cheques.
edit: i like the show match idea. How about an impromptu pro league style team league thing? Split the players into 2 teams... i'm not even sure how many there are. 30 something? Ok those would be some big teams. Not sure how this would work.
Fine, just give it to everyone. That's boring but i'm a commie at heart too.
On January 07 2012 20:48 Kreb wrote: I hope they dont spread it across all 32
Some people were just invited and were swiftly disposed 0-3, I dont see why they should get any price money. Spread across Top16 is fine because all top 16 accomplish something (getting out of first group stage). Spread across top 8 is fine too. Creating extra content (showmatches, goofy 4v4s or FFAs) is also a good idea. But I really dont like the idea of just giving everyone 150$ in the hand, that sounds both boring and unfair to those who accomplished something.
Cuz even the People who went 0-3 created amazing content by casting the other games?
3000$ for TaKe and his crew for their great effort 1000$ for 3rd place finishers from the groups (125$ each) 1000$ prize pool for an in-house poker tournament (maybe 600$ for first, 250$ 2nd, 100$ 3rd, 50$ 4th?)
2v2 rounds, with competing players decided by the fans on twitter, or actual website. favor the people that pay attention and try to get involved, what we want is the public to become more involved. so teams decided by the public is best and fastest. Set limits and time constraints and the publish the findings.
Problems I see with the show-match ideas people want: 1) Would they even be able to show it? They already have two streams running constantly. Will they have time to do a show-match stream? And even if they do, will there be enough people to even cast it? It's awesome the players are willing to cast in the tournament but assuming they're willing to cast whatever you throw at them seems a bit rude considering they aren't getting paid, right?
2) How much would it suck to be knocked out of the tournament and then watch everyone else compete in show-matches for a piece of $5k and not get to participate because you aren't a fan favorite? If they're going to do show-matches I hope they include everyone instead of making it a pure community vote. The most popular players are probably the least likely to be hurting for money.
On January 08 2012 02:25 francoskiyo wrote: 2v2 rounds, with competing players decided by the fans on twitter, or actual website. favor the people that pay attention and try to get involved, what we want is the public to become more involved. so teams decided by the public is best and fastest. Set limits and time constraints and the publish the findings.
I think they should give away the money as an actual bonus to players that have shown good games/series..... For example "Best match" or "Best Series"....etc
On January 08 2012 03:22 provrorsbarn wrote: I think they should give away the money as an actual bonus to players that have shown good games/series..... For example "Best match" or "Best Series"....etc
I heard some casters say people on reddit want it to go to MKP, MC, and Reis for "best casting" as well.
On January 07 2012 18:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I think it'd be nice if the $5000 created some extra content. Tournament with the people who are already out, or showmatches between whoever, sound like a great ideas.
Sure it can go into the main prizepool but what's the use, really? If it was added to the prizepool in advance the scene and tournament would benefit from it as well. Maybe we would have seen a couple more big name players, some extra media attention, or more viewers. The money won't really affect these things anymore and it makes more sense to make the most of it.
Don't get me wrong, the whole thing can only be a positive. Adding it to the prizepool is not a bad thing regardless, but yea using the money to create content would be beneficial for everyone.
Normally I would give it to the top-finishing players but in this tournament I think everyone, even the ones who lost in the first stage, has contributed to making this a great tournament.
Therefore I think the money should be distributed towards everyone. Even if the ~150 $ isn't a lot, I think it's a nice way to say "thanks for making this tournament awesome". Guys like Hasuobs and Moman who didn't make it past the first groupstage still deserves something for their casting imo.
On January 08 2012 04:18 Jarvs wrote: There's no real time to do showmatches. Either split it evenly or just top-up all the current payouts.
They can always make a "team"-showmacth; * Best of 7 or 9 > two team with 4 players each * Best of 9 or 11 > two team 6 players each
The 8-12 players playing can be decided by an online poll, and the teams could be done by random pics ^^ I could take long, but not as much as 2, 3+ bo7 (1v1).
On January 08 2012 04:31 BansheeDK wrote: Normally I would give it to the top-finishing players but in this tournament I think everyone, even the ones who lost in the first stage, has contributed to making this a great tournament.
Therefore I think the money should be distributed towards everyone. Even if the ~150 $ isn't a lot, I think it's a nice way to say "thanks for making this tournament awesome". Guys like Hasuobs and Moman who didn't make it past the first groupstage still deserves something for their casting imo.
True but still, not everyone did something (not their fault if they are shy for one reason or another). Very few did that kind of "service". Behind the scenes, u have great food and entertainment (poker and chilling in, what seems to be, the most friendly "VIP" enviorment for pro-gamers that tournaments ever offer). So getting money after this to, seems (to me) kinda of over doing it.
On January 08 2012 04:45 Vantasist wrote: all to Take or the next home story cup. He doesn't get enough credit for putting all this together and is most deserving of some compensation!
Give it to the bottom players to make the prize pool less top heavy. Everyone there has made this event fun to watch.
$100 for places 17th-32nd (the people out in the first group stage) $200 for places 9th-16th (the people out in the second group stage) $300 more for places 7th-8th (to raise their total to $500) $450 more for places 5th-6th (to raise their total to $750) $300 more for 4th place (to raise his total to $1300)
On January 08 2012 04:18 Jarvs wrote: There's no real time to do showmatches. Either split it evenly or just top-up all the current payouts.
They can always make a "team"-showmacth; * Best of 7 or 9 > two team with 4 players each * Best of 9 or 11 > two team 6 players each
The 8-12 players playing can be decided by an online poll, and the teams could be done by random pics ^^ I could take long, but not as much as 2, 3+ bo7 (1v1).
On January 08 2012 04:31 BansheeDK wrote: Normally I would give it to the top-finishing players but in this tournament I think everyone, even the ones who lost in the first stage, has contributed to making this a great tournament.
Therefore I think the money should be distributed towards everyone. Even if the ~150 $ isn't a lot, I think it's a nice way to say "thanks for making this tournament awesome". Guys like Hasuobs and Moman who didn't make it past the first groupstage still deserves something for their casting imo.
True but still, not everyone did something (not their fault if they are shy for one reason or another). Very few did that kind of "service". Behind the scenes, u have great food and entertainment (poker and chilling in, what seems to be, the most friendly "VIP" enviorment for pro-gamers that tournaments ever offer). So getting money after this to, seems (to me) kinda of over doing it.
like he said there's no time for showmatches they already have everything scheduled out through Sunday
Mad mad props to Twitch for being to f***ing awesome! <3<3<3 I love the 4v4 tourney idea but understand the lack of time. I really want the lower players to get some love as well as more money for the upper competitors. If no tourney/showmatch format is possible, definitely spread it across all the competitors.
On January 07 2012 18:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I think it'd be nice if the $5000 created some extra content. Tournament with the people who are already out, or showmatches between whoever, sound like a great ideas.
Sure it can go into the main prizepool but what's the use, really? If it was added to the prizepool in advance the scene and tournament would benefit from it as well. Maybe we would have seen a couple more big name players, some extra media attention, or more viewers. The money won't really affect these things anymore and it makes more sense to make the most of it.
Don't get me wrong, the whole thing can only be a positive. Adding it to the prizepool is not a bad thing regardless, but yea using the money to create content would be beneficial for everyone.
My opinion is that top 8 would be the most appropriate. Although I wouldn't mind distributing it to all the players considering they're doing some casting "work" too.
Twitch FTW! I voted spread it to all competitors so HSCIV could be even more awesome for everyone, but i think the money going towards HSCV is the best idea. Maybe leave 500-1000$ for show matches.
They should definitly spread it across all competitors, because all of them are the ones who made HSC what it is. Many of the players/casters/whatever who made this so entertaining to watch haven't qualified for the finals or the 2nd group stage (Incontrol, Moman, Bling to mention a few). It would be only fair to give them something back.
I really wish they had decided on this a while ago... You shouldn't be picking which places get how much money after you already know who finished where.
In hindsight, I would have probably preferred that the money went to Take and the crew, because they were awesome throughout the 4 days. But I'm still happy with how it went. HSC is well established as a relaxed tournament where we get to see the personalities of the players, so its cool that they get something at least.
Pretty much everyone participated in some way and they were all ace to listen to, be it playing or casting. Or both (MC)
On January 10 2012 00:41 WhiteDog wrote: Why not spreading it to all the guy who were working for TakeTV ? Like the guys that produced the show and such ? Well it's too late anyway
Well, thats a great Idea... I think the production crew which is ~20-30 members (Take said it sometimes) works mostly without getting any money in their free time, just for fun and for the esport! They are the people who make this event happen, they produced it, they prepared it and spent tons of time for this...
I dont want to speak badly of the players, but I think the whole Production didnt get that honor what they deserve...
Otherwise I would put the money to the next HSC...
On January 10 2012 00:41 WhiteDog wrote: Why not spreading it to all the guy who were working for TakeTV ? Like the guys that produced the show and such ? Well it's too late anyway
Well, thats a great Idea... I think the production crew which is ~20-30 members (Take said it sometimes) works mostly without getting any money in their free time, just for fun and for the esport! They are the people who make this event happen, they produced it, they prepared it and spent tons of time for this...
I dont want to speak badly of the players, but I think the whole Production didnt get that honor what they deserve...
Otherwise I would put the money to the next HSC...
I'd love to see the money go to the production aswell, or atleast some part of it, they did a sick jobb.
EPT
