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NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
January 04 2012 01:53 GMT
#121
very happy :D i hope the Chinese do very well and do themselves proud. I think they can at least get code S within 3 seasons. Just IMO
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 04 2012 01:54 GMT
#122
On January 04 2012 10:49 fourColo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 10:46 Olinimm wrote:
On January 04 2012 10:43 Rarak wrote:
It's a great idea giving out these invites.

It is only a tiny fraction of the 48 code A players, and greatly increases interest in Code A for foreign viewers, and gives foreign players an easier way into the GSL. Its also sink or swim so they will be kicked out fast if they can't hack it.

If you took away the GSL invites you would have almost no foreigners in the GSL or evening attempting to make it in.

Great idea.

So? If they aren't good enough to qualify themselves then why should they be in the GSL? Maybe if it was just Code A seeds, since yeah it is a big investment to stay in Korea to play, but now they are even giving free Code S spots to foreigners which is ridiculous.

Because some of them will be good enough if given enough time. Korea has the top talent in the world, that's just how it is right now and you can't argue this. The best players live in Korea. If you want the rest of the world to be able to compete, this is a great way to help.

It has nothing to do with helping foreigners improve it's about getting more viewers. I don't like how it takes up the spots of Koreans in Code B that actually deserve GSL spots out of merit. Especially for more unknown Koreans, GSL is the only major tournament in Korea and they have to constantly try to qualify, while GOM hands out free spots to foreigners.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
January 04 2012 02:05 GMT
#123
Two really good Chinese players, they should do well!
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Eliwood5837
Profile Joined July 2011
245 Posts
January 04 2012 02:07 GMT
#124
woot chinese! :D
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 04 2012 02:21 GMT
#125
Man, I hate how many GSL spots are just getting handed out like that. I understand they are trying to increase their market, but honestly, if you want to play in the GSL you should qualify by flying there and participating in the open qualifiers.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 04 2012 02:25 GMT
#126
Nice xigua totally deserved this!
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Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
January 04 2012 02:27 GMT
#127
On January 04 2012 10:54 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 10:49 fourColo wrote:
On January 04 2012 10:46 Olinimm wrote:
On January 04 2012 10:43 Rarak wrote:
It's a great idea giving out these invites.

It is only a tiny fraction of the 48 code A players, and greatly increases interest in Code A for foreign viewers, and gives foreign players an easier way into the GSL. Its also sink or swim so they will be kicked out fast if they can't hack it.

If you took away the GSL invites you would have almost no foreigners in the GSL or evening attempting to make it in.

Great idea.

So? If they aren't good enough to qualify themselves then why should they be in the GSL? Maybe if it was just Code A seeds, since yeah it is a big investment to stay in Korea to play, but now they are even giving free Code S spots to foreigners which is ridiculous.

Because some of them will be good enough if given enough time. Korea has the top talent in the world, that's just how it is right now and you can't argue this. The best players live in Korea. If you want the rest of the world to be able to compete, this is a great way to help.

It has nothing to do with helping foreigners improve it's about getting more viewers. I don't like how it takes up the spots of Koreans in Code B that actually deserve GSL spots out of merit. Especially for more unknown Koreans, GSL is the only major tournament in Korea and they have to constantly try to qualify, while GOM hands out free spots to foreigners.

Oh well, you can't fault them for wanting to protect a sizable part of their market. It appears that the English speaking community represents a non-trivial share of GSL's revenue and GOM wants to make inroads in China. Casual fans want to see people they can relate with, so that's why you see foreigners being given "free spots". That might not be fair, but it helps the GSL reach a greater audience. The only real cost to GOM is that some of the more hardcore fans groan but, hey, the hardcore fans will watch anyway because the GSL still has the highest talent concentration of any WoL league, not to mention arguably the best production value.

In any case, XiGua and MacSeed are two of the best foreigners out there, so if anyone can meet HuK's achievement of getting Code S after being invited to Code A its those two. Count me exited.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
January 04 2012 02:35 GMT
#128
Yay more foreigners! Good luck in code A, you'll need it.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
January 04 2012 02:40 GMT
#129
i dont see chances for xigua but call me crazy i think masced can go REALLY far in this !
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zantomun
Profile Joined June 2011
United States37 Posts
January 04 2012 02:42 GMT
#130
I'm glad XiGua got some recognition after WCG. I had expected him to be invited to the Blizzard Cup since MVP was already in it for other accomplishments.

This year is going to be sick
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
January 04 2012 02:55 GMT
#131
On January 04 2012 10:28 fourColo wrote:
Also which Korean players do you want to see in GSL but can't because of all the foreigner slots? There's a ton of mediocre Koreans in the GSL already anyway that no one will miss. The top players everyone wants to see don't really take up that much space.



uhhh there is a TON of unknown talent in korea waiting to explode.

using that as a reason for handing out code A spots like welfare isn't a good reason.

I don't actually have a problem with giving spots to xigua and macsed, but posters that have mentioned it so far are right. handing out code A seeds like welfare isn't necessarily a good thing
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
January 04 2012 03:11 GMT
#132
According to MVP he said Macsed's match was the hardest during his WCG run. MVP won 2-1 and almost lost game 3 AFAIK
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Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
January 04 2012 03:12 GMT
#133
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote:
I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.


The problem with this statement is that you don't realize living in a foreign country for an undetermined time is both costly and hard to manage.

While Koreans definitely have a harder road because of the qualifiers, they also have much less opportunity cost to stay in Korea since they live there anyways.

With the prize distribution of GSL and it's structure. You will have to be there at least two seasons, which translates into 4 months + in the new format.

With out these invite spots there is little to no incentive for these foreign players to even be there.
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
January 04 2012 03:12 GMT
#134
wow this is so great! GL to Sen, Xigua and MacSed! I love Xigua's aggressive style!
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Sawofhackness
Profile Joined May 2011
Afghanistan183 Posts
January 04 2012 03:13 GMT
#135

A trading company using its financial muscle to get things going for some amazing Chinese players - this is great news.

Back in the early days of gaming, the Quake days, I used to fantasize about companies sponsoring their own gaming teams and competing with each other. That's really the big ticket. Hope I live to see it fully come to fruition.



WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
January 04 2012 03:14 GMT
#136
Glad Xigua is in the GSL. Interested to see how he plays and develops.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 03:17:09
January 04 2012 03:15 GMT
#137
On January 04 2012 11:55 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 10:28 fourColo wrote:
Also which Korean players do you want to see in GSL but can't because of all the foreigner slots? There's a ton of mediocre Koreans in the GSL already anyway that no one will miss. The top players everyone wants to see don't really take up that much space.



uhhh there is a TON of unknown talent in korea waiting to explode.

using that as a reason for handing out code A spots like welfare isn't a good reason.

I don't actually have a problem with giving spots to xigua and macsed, but posters that have mentioned it so far are right. handing out code A seeds like welfare isn't necessarily a good thing


They are not handing out a lot, and from a business perspective, GOM must have determined it made sense financially.

To be honest, without foreign players or highly hyped players, Code A doesn't get much attention at all. The seeds give them more viewers, and given the opportunity for these guys to be there, i wouldn't say it's that unfair.

And besides, if these Code B guys are good enough, they will make it give or take those 2 spots.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
January 04 2012 03:20 GMT
#138
On January 04 2012 12:15 Mioraka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 11:55 jj33 wrote:
On January 04 2012 10:28 fourColo wrote:
Also which Korean players do you want to see in GSL but can't because of all the foreigner slots? There's a ton of mediocre Koreans in the GSL already anyway that no one will miss. The top players everyone wants to see don't really take up that much space.



uhhh there is a TON of unknown talent in korea waiting to explode.

using that as a reason for handing out code A spots like welfare isn't a good reason.

I don't actually have a problem with giving spots to xigua and macsed, but posters that have mentioned it so far are right. handing out code A seeds like welfare isn't necessarily a good thing


They are not handing out a lot, and from a business perspective, GOM must have determined it made sense financially.

To be honest, without foreign players or highly hyped players, Code A doesn't get much attention at all. The seeds give them more viewers, and given the opportunity for these guys to be there, i wouldn't say it's that unfair.

And besides, if these Code B guys are good enough, they will make it give or take those 2 spots.



It is handing out code A spots no matter how you cut it.

JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 04 2012 03:24 GMT
#139
Awesome news for iG and the chinese players.

I don't understand all of the hate for the seeds being given out.

If you live in Korea, traveling to the Code A quals might be a hassle. If you live outside of Korea, it is a major investment of both time and money to make it to qualifiers. This is a very large risk which may pay no dividends. Not everyone has a team house to live and practice in if they're from outside of Korea.

And, what in the hell. I have not seen this uproar for other foreigners being seeded. Even directly into code s.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 03:29:33
January 04 2012 03:26 GMT
#140
I think the only problem with GSL invites, is players getting invited season after season, despite getting knocked out every time. They should make a rule, that if a player gets a Code A seed, and gets knocked out 1st round, he shouldn't get another Code A seed next season, he should have to qualify like everyone else. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the system, when you have players who are immune to being knocked out of Code A.

And Code S seeds probably shouldn't happen, given how high the competition is for those spots. I mean, Losira failed to make it in the up-and-downs last season and is now in Code A, while Sen and Idra are in Code S. Come on now...
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