Just received the e-mail from GomTV, it's confirmed that Macsed and XiGua from iG are guaranteed with Code A spots for GSL 2012. We will have to work harder! At the meantime, we are in cooperation with FXO, I hope this travel can lay a solid foundation for China Union Team.
Note: Sorry for bad translation, the actual word is cooperate rather than partner, mod please edit the title, too excited for this news :D.
Mod Edit:
On January 04 2012 14:31 FXOpen wrote: There has been no confirmed arrangement between IG and FXO.. I am unsure of why this was posted. I can confirm we have been talking with IG, but nothing has materialised.
On January 04 2012 16:22 FXOpen wrote:
Bad translation. The actual words from IG were "we are in co operation with FXO".. which they are.
We will have our own announcement coming soon regarding the specifics of what we are doing with iG..
I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Maybe we can finally see MacSed get some recognition, he's a fantastic Protoss. Also good to see the main Chinese team attempt to "put themselves out there", it can only be a good thing =)
This is really good news, I'd love to see more of xigua he showed so much promise at WCG! I think he can definitely make it into code S after a season or 2.
I'm really hoping XiaOt gets back into the player role so we can see some more of his toss play. Hopefully this move by iG makes him decide to compete again!
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
Oh, don't start this again.
Good luck to both XiGua and MacSed. They'll need it!
On January 04 2012 08:06 tDKyou wrote: I'm really hoping XiaOt gets back into the player role so we can see some more of his toss play. Hopefully this move by iG makes him decide to compete again!
I think XiaOt is in more of a manager/coach role now. Although I guess he could do a Boxer.
On January 04 2012 08:06 tDKyou wrote: I'm really hoping XiaOt gets back into the player role so we can see some more of his toss play. Hopefully this move by iG makes him decide to compete again!
I think XiaOt is in more of a manager/coach role now. Although I guess he could do a Boxer.
yeah, xigua is the zerg player that made it to the finals of WCG.
Awesome for these players, but I feel like they're handing out seeds a bit too much.. I could understand XiGua since he did well at WCG but why Macsed? They should really limit seeds, it'll diminish the prestige of Code A if they keep handing them out like this.
On January 04 2012 08:04 Flossy wrote: As far as I know, the Chinese scene isn't very big (correct me if I'm wrong) so this is a good time to expose it!
The Chinese scene is probably the biggest in a single country outside of Korea, but its very isolated. As they start integrating with the Korean scene more I expect them to shoot right to the forefront of international competition.
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
On January 04 2012 08:17 Namu wrote: Awesome for these players, but I feel like they're handing out seeds a bit too much.. I could understand XiGua since he did well at WCG but why Macsed? They should really limit seeds, it'll diminish the prestige of Code A if they keep handing them out like this.
I think its not that bad, since there are a lot more overall Code A spots this year.
On January 04 2012 08:17 Namu wrote: Awesome for these players, but I feel like they're handing out seeds a bit too much.. I could understand XiGua since he did well at WCG but why Macsed? They should really limit seeds, it'll diminish the prestige of Code A if they keep handing them out like this.
Macsed was in WCG until he got knocked out by the monster known as MVP. It was a 2-1 series too. Don't be too suprised if he rocks code A just like Xigua should
On January 04 2012 08:17 Namu wrote: Awesome for these players, but I feel like they're handing out seeds a bit too much.. I could understand XiGua since he did well at WCG but why Macsed? They should really limit seeds, it'll diminish the prestige of Code A if they keep handing them out like this.
Macsed was in WCG until he got knocked out by the monster known as MVP. It was a 2-1 series too. Don't be too suprised if he rocks code A just like Xigua should
and MVP even said in an interview that the Chinese protoss he played (i.e. macsed) was probably the hardest opponent he faced
It's nice to get exposure to the chinese scene and their players especially, but I don't expect them to tear through Code A. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if both get eliminated in the first round. I really feel both get a bit overhyped due to their performance at WCG.
On January 04 2012 08:17 Namu wrote: Awesome for these players, but I feel like they're handing out seeds a bit too much.. I could understand XiGua since he did well at WCG but why Macsed? They should really limit seeds, it'll diminish the prestige of Code A if they keep handing them out like this.
Macsed was in WCG until he got knocked out by the monster known as MVP. It was a 2-1 series too. Don't be too suprised if he rocks code A just like Xigua should
On January 04 2012 08:17 Namu wrote: Awesome for these players, but I feel like they're handing out seeds a bit too much.. I could understand XiGua since he did well at WCG but why Macsed? They should really limit seeds, it'll diminish the prestige of Code A if they keep handing them out like this.
Macsed was in WCG until he got knocked out by the monster known as MVP. It was a 2-1 series too. Don't be too suprised if he rocks code A just like Xigua should
Cool, good to see some Chinese players in the GSL. Hopefully this will increase SC2 viewership in China, as nationalism is very strong there. I would love to see Xigua get as good as Leenock, the Chinese scene needs some superstars.
GOM is turning into congress with the amount of free handouts they are giving lately. I just can't anymore get myself to root for a foreigner than doesn't actually qualify. History has not been kind to non-Koreans in Code-A and until people actually prove through themselves though qualification I don't believe they truly belong there.
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
I want to murder a puppy every time a retarded Naniwa fan brings this shit up.
How about this? If they don't fuck up majorly, doing the most idiotic thing ever done in a televised game, they should be perfectly fine. Deal?
Really great to see China participating in other scenes. The fanbase in China is potentially HUGE and having players in the GSL could make a massive difference.
Chi'qua in Korean means dentist in Korean and that's what they've been calling him since he get smashed by MVP and said he almost won... actually it was a slightly more derogatory name... but I'd rather not tell! xDDD
Hopefully we can see some more XiGua vs MVP games so that either XiGua can prove his talk to be more than just that, or for MVP to trounce him and have the Korean Netizens explode with mirth and pomp hahahahhahahahahaha
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
I want to murder a puppy every time a retarded Naniwa fan brings this shit up.
How about this? If they don't fuck up majorly, doing the most idiotic thing ever done in a televised game, they should be perfectly fine. Deal?
I don't see how naniwa doing something idiotic = GOM doing something unprofessional when they changed the seeding format before the naniwa thing even happened
I'm happy that they got these spots and all, I still think players need the Jinro mindset (needs to earn a Code A spot through qualifiers) they're deserving and all, but qualifying is more deserving IMO.
Yeah still waiting on an update regarding the chinese GSTL team. Is it confirmed yet? Have they found a pro house to use? How does these players partnering with FXO effect that? Will these two players be practicing in FXO team house? Too many unanswered questions!
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
Wow, does there always need to be someone like you in each thread trying to start a flame war?
On a side note, I am very happy to see the Chinese sc2 community get more recognized by having players in the GSL (it is a GOBAL sc2 league afterall) Best of luck to both of them! FXO/iG hwaiting!!
Literally just thinking about how on top of things FXO are when I opened up TL to see this. Great news, I've been wanting to see more Chinese players.
A great move by FXO not only because the Chinese players are great, but because there is a lot of interest in them since they haven't been seen in that many tournaments.
On January 04 2012 09:41 Gfire wrote: Literally just thinking about how on top of things FXO are when I opened up TL to see this. Great news, I've been wanting to see more Chinese players.
A great move by FXO not only because the Chinese players are great, but because there is a lot of interest in them since they haven't been seen in that many tournaments.
It helps that FXO has what seems like endlessly deep pockets .
that's great! glad to see the chinese players being able to get into korean scene. any new players (gsl competition wise, not as in new to game) sounds great to me!
On January 04 2012 09:38 RusHXceL wrote: is iG. XiGua the one who raped Idra in some tourney iirc ? or it was XiaOt?
It was Xiaot I believe in the Star Wars 6 tourney. xiaOt = Protoss. Xigua = Zerg. xiaOt has also taken on more of a coaching/management role these days. So he doesn't play as much. They're teammates though.
On January 04 2012 09:41 Gfire wrote: Literally just thinking about how on top of things FXO are when I opened up TL to see this. Great news, I've been wanting to see more Chinese players.
A great move by FXO not only because the Chinese players are great, but because there is a lot of interest in them since they haven't been seen in that many tournaments.
It helps that FXO has what seems like endlessly deep pockets .
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
I want to murder a puppy every time a retarded Naniwa fan brings this shit up.
How about this? If they don't fuck up majorly, doing the most idiotic thing ever done in a televised game, they should be perfectly fine. Deal?
I don't see how naniwa doing something idiotic = GOM doing something unprofessional when they changed the seeding format before the naniwa thing even happened
Stop going off topic, jesus christ. If you wanna argue go somewhere else
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
Oh, don't start this again.
Good luck to both XiGua and MacSed. They'll need it!
You can take this post as serious as his signature. NaniQQ
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
As long as they don't do some batshit crazy stuff during broadcasted matches, I think they're pretty safe.
See what I did there? Start a stupid, old and unimportant discussion on a completely unrelated post... don't do it.
On January 04 2012 09:06 setzer wrote: GOM is turning into congress with the amount of free handouts they are giving lately. I just can't anymore get myself to root for a foreigner than doesn't actually qualify. History has not been kind to non-Koreans in Code-A and until people actually prove through themselves though qualification I don't believe they truly belong there.
That's a kinda dumb perspective. History has not been kind to Korean players either. MC dropped to Code B before getting an MLG handout. MMA got into Code S via an MLG handout, and he's been in three finals since then. Puma has beaten tons of Code S players outside of Korea, but continues to fail to qualify for Code A. Hero only just qualified 2 or 3 months ago after failing for like a year.
There have been plenty of foreigner successes in GSL. Compare Jinro to someone like ST'Rainbow. Naniwa to HongUn. Huk to Puzzle. QXC to Hotmail.
Yeah we've seen a lot of foreigners flame out of Code A seeds. Haypro, Ret, Morrow, Thorzain, etc. And then we got guys who did okay but not great, like Select and Sjow. But you gotta compare that to the huuuuge number of Koreans who've flamed out of Code A too.
And just because foreigners haven't prouced a MVP or Nestea or DRG or MMA doesn't mean that foreigners aren't worth watching. It just means that the foreign scene is not Code S yet.
Of course a Code S Korean is going to dominate MLG when they show up. But a Code A/Code B level Korean like Hwangsin or Choya is merely going to do well, not dominate.
I think handing out Code A spots is actually a decent thing to do. They are not just handing the spots out to whoever, they are handing them out to foreign communities that they believe can help build the GSL brand, and attract much more viewership. If you give 2 top Chinese players a spot in code A, then you now have the entire Chinese SC2 audience behind them, all buying season tickets just to watch their national hero's. It is a very very smart move by GOMTV. Secondly, giving out spots to different foreigners from different countries allows the GSL to bring the community together, rather than how it was in SC/BW where the Korean scene was completely isolated from anyone else. At least they are attempting to bridge that gap regularly, even if that means giving someone a code A spot, that another Korean would of earned.
On January 04 2012 09:38 RusHXceL wrote: is iG. XiGua the one who raped Idra in some tourney iirc ? or it was XiaOt?
It was Xiaot I believe in the Star Wars 6 tourney. xiaOt = Protoss. Xigua = Zerg. xiaOt has also taken on more of a coaching/management role these days. So he doesn't play as much. They're teammates though.
I remember that xiaOt said, when he beat IdrA in that tourney, that XiGua was two tiers above IdrA in terms of play. And then people got angry on these forums. Rofl.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
On January 04 2012 08:01 SabreUK wrote: Maybe we can finally see MacSed get some recognition, he's a fantastic Protoss. Also good to see the main Chinese team attempt to "put themselves out there", it can only be a good thing =)
Sase uses MacSeds old account (MacSed still plays on Kr)
It's called affirmative action and it's a good thing. Seeding non koreans means more interest in other countries. More interest in other countries means more skill from other countries.
So like, whats the point of Code A/B these days?...
I'm sure these players are good enough to qualify for themselves, why cause a commotion by giving them seeds? Would also make GSL/Foreign teams a bit more legit.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
When they get knocked out, everything will return to normal.
On January 04 2012 10:08 Jojo131 wrote: So like, whats the point of Code A/B these days?...
I'm sure these players are good enough to qualify for themselves, why cause a commotion by giving them seeds? Would also make GSL/Foreign teams a bit more legit.
Because otherwise you have to live and practice IN korea exclusively and lose out on all the other tournaments you could be playing. All for the really low chance that you'll actually make it through code B.
On January 04 2012 10:08 Jojo131 wrote: So like, whats the point of Code A/B these days?...
I'm sure these players are good enough to qualify for themselves, why cause a commotion by giving them seeds? Would also make GSL/Foreign teams a bit more legit.
its hella hard qualifying for code a. but people are crying about seeds because they are bored and have nothing better to do.
Just look at Huk, he's a top foreigner and he's been in Korea for a very long time. I don't think it's a coincidence either. He would have had much less incentive to stay had he not been invited in January. The system works.
On January 04 2012 09:38 RusHXceL wrote: is iG. XiGua the one who raped Idra in some tourney iirc ? or it was XiaOt?
It was Xiaot I believe in the Star Wars 6 tourney. xiaOt = Protoss. Xigua = Zerg. xiaOt has also taken on more of a coaching/management role these days. So he doesn't play as much. They're teammates though.
Yes thats him. Man he needs to go back playing sc2. he 'll be the next bonjwa loOL
Out of curiosity, whatever happened to that Chinese girl that casted the Stars War tournament? I think it was something Sun....
And I remember the Chinese players complaining about the map pool numerous times and saying that the reason they do well in WCG and other tournaments is because they have experience playing on the ladder maps (GSL/MLG versions of ladder maps do make a difference).
On January 04 2012 10:16 aderum wrote: I dont really get why GOM keeps inviting players to GSL... I really dont know if the extra viewers are worth it for making the competition "worst".
Anywhoooo, GL to the guys and gratz!
I mean should we retroactively kick Huk out of the GSL then?
Also which Korean players do you want to see in GSL but can't because of all the foreigner slots? There's a ton of mediocre Koreans in the GSL already anyway that no one will miss. The top players everyone wants to see don't really take up that much space.
heh, people are complaining about invites? Since Korean qualifiers are held in Korea, it doesn't make a lot of finiancial sense for players to fly over just to try to play Code B. Having Code A give them a much larger incentive. And don't tournaments like Dreamhack, HSC have more invites?
Not really liking the volume of players that get into code A for "free" at the moment, even though XiGua deserves it after WCG and would help boost the Chinese scene. I guess now that there are fewer GSL's each year and MLG is not for a long time it kind of makes sense though.
It is only a tiny fraction of the 48 code A players, and greatly increases interest in Code A for foreign viewers, and gives foreign players an easier way into the GSL. Its also sink or swim so they will be kicked out fast if they can't hack it.
If you took away the GSL invites you would have almost no foreigners in the GSL or evening attempting to make it in.
On January 04 2012 10:43 Rarak wrote: It's a great idea giving out these invites.
It is only a tiny fraction of the 48 code A players, and greatly increases interest in Code A for foreign viewers, and gives foreign players an easier way into the GSL. Its also sink or swim so they will be kicked out fast if they can't hack it.
If you took away the GSL invites you would have almost no foreigners in the GSL or evening attempting to make it in.
Great idea.
So? If they aren't good enough to qualify themselves then why should they be in the GSL? Maybe if it was just Code A seeds, since yeah it is a big investment to stay in Korea to play, but now they are even giving free Code S spots to foreigners which is ridiculous.
On January 04 2012 10:16 aderum wrote: I dont really get why GOM keeps inviting players to GSL... I really dont know if the extra viewers are worth it for making the competition "worst".
Anywhoooo, GL to the guys and gratz!
I mean should we retroactively kick Huk out of the GSL then?
How is the competition in any way worse. As far as I'm concerned people like Huk deserve their spot because they earned it. For example for Sheth when he got his Code A spot, he showed that he deserved it by getting through the first round thus keeping his spot. The problem is, moving to Korea and working from ground up is too huge of a commitment for players, especially those who are still improving. There exist Code S standard players out of Korea that GSL wants to inject into the competition for our entertainment, players which are huge fan favorites, I see nothing wrong with that.
On January 04 2012 10:43 Rarak wrote: It's a great idea giving out these invites.
It is only a tiny fraction of the 48 code A players, and greatly increases interest in Code A for foreign viewers, and gives foreign players an easier way into the GSL. Its also sink or swim so they will be kicked out fast if they can't hack it.
If you took away the GSL invites you would have almost no foreigners in the GSL or evening attempting to make it in.
Great idea.
So? If they aren't good enough to qualify themselves then why should they be in the GSL? Maybe if it was just Code A seeds, since yeah it is a big investment to stay in Korea to play, but now they are even giving free Code S spots to foreigners which is ridiculous.
Because some of them will be good enough if given enough time. Korea has the top talent in the world, that's just how it is right now and you can't argue this. The best players live in Korea. If you want the rest of the world to be able to compete, this is a great way to help.
On January 04 2012 10:43 Rarak wrote: It's a great idea giving out these invites.
It is only a tiny fraction of the 48 code A players, and greatly increases interest in Code A for foreign viewers, and gives foreign players an easier way into the GSL. Its also sink or swim so they will be kicked out fast if they can't hack it.
If you took away the GSL invites you would have almost no foreigners in the GSL or evening attempting to make it in.
Great idea.
So? If they aren't good enough to qualify themselves then why should they be in the GSL? Maybe if it was just Code A seeds, since yeah it is a big investment to stay in Korea to play, but now they are even giving free Code S spots to foreigners which is ridiculous.
Because some of them will be good enough if given enough time. Korea has the top talent in the world, that's just how it is right now and you can't argue this. The best players live in Korea. If you want the rest of the world to be able to compete, this is a great way to help.
It has nothing to do with helping foreigners improve it's about getting more viewers. I don't like how it takes up the spots of Koreans in Code B that actually deserve GSL spots out of merit. Especially for more unknown Koreans, GSL is the only major tournament in Korea and they have to constantly try to qualify, while GOM hands out free spots to foreigners.
Man, I hate how many GSL spots are just getting handed out like that. I understand they are trying to increase their market, but honestly, if you want to play in the GSL you should qualify by flying there and participating in the open qualifiers.
On January 04 2012 10:43 Rarak wrote: It's a great idea giving out these invites.
It is only a tiny fraction of the 48 code A players, and greatly increases interest in Code A for foreign viewers, and gives foreign players an easier way into the GSL. Its also sink or swim so they will be kicked out fast if they can't hack it.
If you took away the GSL invites you would have almost no foreigners in the GSL or evening attempting to make it in.
Great idea.
So? If they aren't good enough to qualify themselves then why should they be in the GSL? Maybe if it was just Code A seeds, since yeah it is a big investment to stay in Korea to play, but now they are even giving free Code S spots to foreigners which is ridiculous.
Because some of them will be good enough if given enough time. Korea has the top talent in the world, that's just how it is right now and you can't argue this. The best players live in Korea. If you want the rest of the world to be able to compete, this is a great way to help.
It has nothing to do with helping foreigners improve it's about getting more viewers. I don't like how it takes up the spots of Koreans in Code B that actually deserve GSL spots out of merit. Especially for more unknown Koreans, GSL is the only major tournament in Korea and they have to constantly try to qualify, while GOM hands out free spots to foreigners.
Oh well, you can't fault them for wanting to protect a sizable part of their market. It appears that the English speaking community represents a non-trivial share of GSL's revenue and GOM wants to make inroads in China. Casual fans want to see people they can relate with, so that's why you see foreigners being given "free spots". That might not be fair, but it helps the GSL reach a greater audience. The only real cost to GOM is that some of the more hardcore fans groan but, hey, the hardcore fans will watch anyway because the GSL still has the highest talent concentration of any WoL league, not to mention arguably the best production value.
In any case, XiGua and MacSeed are two of the best foreigners out there, so if anyone can meet HuK's achievement of getting Code S after being invited to Code A its those two. Count me exited.
I'm glad XiGua got some recognition after WCG. I had expected him to be invited to the Blizzard Cup since MVP was already in it for other accomplishments.
On January 04 2012 10:28 fourColo wrote: Also which Korean players do you want to see in GSL but can't because of all the foreigner slots? There's a ton of mediocre Koreans in the GSL already anyway that no one will miss. The top players everyone wants to see don't really take up that much space.
uhhh there is a TON of unknown talent in korea waiting to explode.
using that as a reason for handing out code A spots like welfare isn't a good reason.
I don't actually have a problem with giving spots to xigua and macsed, but posters that have mentioned it so far are right. handing out code A seeds like welfare isn't necessarily a good thing
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
The problem with this statement is that you don't realize living in a foreign country for an undetermined time is both costly and hard to manage.
While Koreans definitely have a harder road because of the qualifiers, they also have much less opportunity cost to stay in Korea since they live there anyways.
With the prize distribution of GSL and it's structure. You will have to be there at least two seasons, which translates into 4 months + in the new format.
With out these invite spots there is little to no incentive for these foreign players to even be there.
A trading company using its financial muscle to get things going for some amazing Chinese players - this is great news.
Back in the early days of gaming, the Quake days, I used to fantasize about companies sponsoring their own gaming teams and competing with each other. That's really the big ticket. Hope I live to see it fully come to fruition.
On January 04 2012 10:28 fourColo wrote: Also which Korean players do you want to see in GSL but can't because of all the foreigner slots? There's a ton of mediocre Koreans in the GSL already anyway that no one will miss. The top players everyone wants to see don't really take up that much space.
uhhh there is a TON of unknown talent in korea waiting to explode.
using that as a reason for handing out code A spots like welfare isn't a good reason.
I don't actually have a problem with giving spots to xigua and macsed, but posters that have mentioned it so far are right. handing out code A seeds like welfare isn't necessarily a good thing
They are not handing out a lot, and from a business perspective, GOM must have determined it made sense financially.
To be honest, without foreign players or highly hyped players, Code A doesn't get much attention at all. The seeds give them more viewers, and given the opportunity for these guys to be there, i wouldn't say it's that unfair.
And besides, if these Code B guys are good enough, they will make it give or take those 2 spots.
On January 04 2012 10:28 fourColo wrote: Also which Korean players do you want to see in GSL but can't because of all the foreigner slots? There's a ton of mediocre Koreans in the GSL already anyway that no one will miss. The top players everyone wants to see don't really take up that much space.
uhhh there is a TON of unknown talent in korea waiting to explode.
using that as a reason for handing out code A spots like welfare isn't a good reason.
I don't actually have a problem with giving spots to xigua and macsed, but posters that have mentioned it so far are right. handing out code A seeds like welfare isn't necessarily a good thing
They are not handing out a lot, and from a business perspective, GOM must have determined it made sense financially.
To be honest, without foreign players or highly hyped players, Code A doesn't get much attention at all. The seeds give them more viewers, and given the opportunity for these guys to be there, i wouldn't say it's that unfair.
And besides, if these Code B guys are good enough, they will make it give or take those 2 spots.
It is handing out code A spots no matter how you cut it.
I don't understand all of the hate for the seeds being given out.
If you live in Korea, traveling to the Code A quals might be a hassle. If you live outside of Korea, it is a major investment of both time and money to make it to qualifiers. This is a very large risk which may pay no dividends. Not everyone has a team house to live and practice in if they're from outside of Korea.
And, what in the hell. I have not seen this uproar for other foreigners being seeded. Even directly into code s.
I think the only problem with GSL invites, is players getting invited season after season, despite getting knocked out every time. They should make a rule, that if a player gets a Code A seed, and gets knocked out 1st round, he shouldn't get another Code A seed next season, he should have to qualify like everyone else. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the system, when you have players who are immune to being knocked out of Code A.
And Code S seeds probably shouldn't happen, given how high the competition is for those spots. I mean, Losira failed to make it in the up-and-downs last season and is now in Code A, while Sen and Idra are in Code S. Come on now...
On January 04 2012 08:04 Jedclark wrote: Does Code A mean anything any more? They just hand out spots.
Does Code A mean anything any more? , even for KR player's Code A is near haven. You cant play in Code S whiteout Code A , simple :D
Unless your name is Idra or Sen :p
Really looking forward to that partnership and I'm really interested in the Chinese players.
didn't know foreigners were complaining about foreigners getting into code s for free... if anything the korean players and huk should be outraged lol
It bothers me because they're not earning it. But i don't even like MLG seeds anymore so i'm at the extreme end of the spectrum probably.
I feel like this partnership could be a really big deal. Interested to see how it pans out. GL HF to FXO and the other guys (whom i know little to nothing about).
On January 04 2012 08:04 Jedclark wrote: Does Code A mean anything any more? They just hand out spots.
Does Code A mean anything any more? , even for KR player's Code A is near haven. You cant play in Code S whiteout Code A , simple :D
Unless your name is Idra or Sen :p
Really looking forward to that partnership and I'm really interested in the Chinese players.
didn't know foreigners were complaining about foreigners getting into code s for free... if anything the korean players and huk should be outraged lol
i am quite upset. Code A spots means you have to prove yourself to get to code S. Especially now in the new format. In the past, only the MLG winner got GSL code S and they had sent may good Koreans to compete for code S in MLG so the spot is quite deserved. It is very exclusive and very few people are able to get "free" spots to code S. Now they are giving up "up and down" spot and code S seeds for free. No competition to get them, no fixed way to give them. this makes code S so less exclusive and i think it is no good for the league. Everyone should earn their spots not be given lifelines
On January 04 2012 08:04 Jedclark wrote: Does Code A mean anything any more? They just hand out spots.
Does Code A mean anything any more? , even for KR player's Code A is near haven. You cant play in Code S whiteout Code A , simple :D
Unless your name is Idra or Sen :p
Really looking forward to that partnership and I'm really interested in the Chinese players.
didn't know foreigners were complaining about foreigners getting into code s for free... if anything the korean players and huk should be outraged lol
i am quite upset. Code A spots means you have to prove yourself to get to code S. Especially now in the new format. In the past, only the MLG winner got GSL code S and they had sent may good Koreans to compete for code S in MLG so the spot is quite deserved. It is very exclusive and very few people are able to get "free" spots to code S. Now they are giving up "up and down" spot and code S seeds for free. No competition to get them, no fixed way to give them. this makes code S so less exclusive and i think it is no good for the league. Everyone should earn their spots not be given lifelines
you do realize the whole point of the new system is to make code s less exclusive and more accessible to performing players.
On January 04 2012 08:04 Jedclark wrote: Does Code A mean anything any more? They just hand out spots.
Does Code A mean anything any more? , even for KR player's Code A is near haven. You cant play in Code S whiteout Code A , simple :D
Unless your name is Idra or Sen :p
Really looking forward to that partnership and I'm really interested in the Chinese players.
didn't know foreigners were complaining about foreigners getting into code s for free... if anything the korean players and huk should be outraged lol
Huk really shouldnt be outraged either since his origanal code A status was based on an invite.
But see, even if he was taken out of the league he could probably requalify the normal way. What's happening with the people living in the GOM house that barely get mentioned? (Lastshadow is like the only one I can name, but I know there are more, is cArn still there?). Sucks that these guys are actually staying in Korea and training, but aren't getting seeds or something.
MacSed was a very mediocre wc3 pro, and not really at the tip top of the chinese sc2 scene and I feel like he should earn his spot not just get one handed out. XiGua deserves his seed though.
On January 04 2012 13:27 nath wrote: MacSed was a very mediocre wc3 pro, and not really at the tip top of the chinese sc2 scene and I feel like he should earn his spot not just get one handed out. XiGua deserves his seed though.
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
On January 04 2012 13:27 nath wrote: MacSed was a very mediocre wc3 pro, and not really at the tip top of the chinese sc2 scene and I feel like he should earn his spot not just get one handed out. XiGua deserves his seed though.
basing someones sc2 ability on how they did in a different game...lol you realize xigua was also a "mediocre" wc3 pro right?
I wonder if xigua and macsed is ready for GSL code A, because they did not do well in on-line kr events like ESVTV weekly,FXO KOTH(KR),homestory cup KR qulifier. anyway it is a good start to get access to the world top sc2 league. best wishes to them.
On January 04 2012 13:27 nath wrote: MacSed was a very mediocre wc3 pro, and not really at the tip top of the chinese sc2 scene and I feel like he should earn his spot not just get one handed out. XiGua deserves his seed though.
basing someones sc2 ability on how they did in a different game...lol you realize xigua was also a "mediocre" wc3 pro right?
Xigua was never a "mediocre" wc3 pro, he was a frequent WCG China National Final runner, with a national 2nd place and a RO8 Grand Final finish, under the alias "Rabbit", he was easily a A-level to top WC3 pro on his prime. Even I did not follow wc3 a lot and I know his name.
There has been no confirmed arrangement between IG and FXO.. I am unsure of why this was posted. I can confirm we have been talking with IG, but nothing has materialised.
On January 04 2012 13:27 nath wrote: MacSed was a very mediocre wc3 pro, and not really at the tip top of the chinese sc2 scene and I feel like he should earn his spot not just get one handed out. XiGua deserves his seed though.
basing someones sc2 ability on how they did in a different game...lol you realize xigua was also a "mediocre" wc3 pro right?
Xigua was never a "mediocre" wc3 pro, he was a frequent WCG China National Final runner, with a national 2nd place and a RO8 Grand Final finish, under the alias "Rabbit", he was easily a A-level to top WC3 pro on his prime. Even I did not follow wc3 a lot and I know his name.
you realize you're just helping my case right? i hope so. mediocre is in quotes because its quite the opposite.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
I'd be willing to bet that matches with foreigners playing get a lot more views on average. It's also much easier for a Korean to live in Korea and go to each and every qualifier. It's also called the GLOBAL StarLeague and there aren't many foreigners playing. You seem to think the best players make it through the qualifiers every time, I would try to explain why you are wrong, but I don't really care that much.
Just by training on ladder, they've already become really good by foreigner standards. It'll be interesting to see how far they can climb through training with an strong team like FXO.
On January 04 2012 14:31 FXOpen wrote: There has been no confirmed arrangement between IG and FXO.. I am unsure of why this was posted. I can confirm we have been talking with IG, but nothing has materialised.
though this has not been confirmed, but xigua and ig are given code a spots, no? that'll be insane haha, don't see how they're not gonna make it to code s
On January 04 2012 14:31 FXOpen wrote: There has been no confirmed arrangement between IG and FXO.. I am unsure of why this was posted. I can confirm we have been talking with IG, but nothing has materialised.
Ooops...What, umm, happened here?
Bad translation. The actual words from IG were "we are in co operation with FXO".. which they are.
We will have our own announcement coming soon regarding the specifics of what we are doing with iG..
On January 04 2012 14:31 FXOpen wrote: There has been no confirmed arrangement between IG and FXO.. I am unsure of why this was posted. I can confirm we have been talking with IG, but nothing has materialised.
This is really cool, I really want to see what Chinese players are like, but GSL is hardly meaning anything anymore with all of these free spots just handed out.
On January 04 2012 13:27 nath wrote: MacSed was a very mediocre wc3 pro, and not really at the tip top of the chinese sc2 scene and I feel like he should earn his spot not just get one handed out. XiGua deserves his seed though.
basing someones sc2 ability on how they did in a different game...lol you realize xigua was also a "mediocre" wc3 pro right?
Xigua was never a "mediocre" wc3 pro, he was a frequent WCG China National Final runner, with a national 2nd place and a RO8 Grand Final finish, under the alias "Rabbit", he was easily a A-level to top WC3 pro on his prime. Even I did not follow wc3 a lot and I know his name.
you realize you're just helping my case right? i hope so. mediocre is in quotes because its quite the opposite.
macsed < xigua in wc3 sorry my friend which takes off half your argument
as of the other half i never really based his sc2 skill on his war3. im saying he was statistically significantly worse in both games (sc2 could change obviously as his career is still in flux)
On January 04 2012 14:31 FXOpen wrote: There has been no confirmed arrangement between IG and FXO.. I am unsure of why this was posted. I can confirm we have been talking with IG, but nothing has materialised.
Ooops...What, umm, happened here?
Bad translation. The actual words from IG were "we are in co operation with FXO".. which they are.
We will have our own announcement coming soon regarding the specifics of what we are doing with iG..
This announcement is premature and inaccurate.
looking forward to knowing more about this cooperation
On January 04 2012 14:31 FXOpen wrote: There has been no confirmed arrangement between IG and FXO.. I am unsure of why this was posted. I can confirm we have been talking with IG, but nothing has materialised.
Ooops...What, umm, happened here?
Bad translation. The actual words from IG were "we are in co operation with FXO".. which they are.
We will have our own announcement coming soon regarding the specifics of what we are doing with iG..
This announcement is premature and inaccurate.
Sorry for the bad translation. If you are in cooperation, then you are in some kind of partnership, right? :D At lease this is my understanding in Chinese. It's just different from that TL-Ogs scenario, so it's a bit misleading here. Edit the op already and hopefully the mod can edit the title asap. GL to your cooperation with iG!
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
On January 04 2012 16:32 Animostas wrote: This is really cool, I really want to see what Chinese players are like, but GSL is hardly meaning anything anymore with all of these free spots just handed out.
Code A spots actually aren't that difficult to obtain anymore, with GSL's expansion from 32 into 48 players. Hell, guys like Rainbow qualified for Code A last season by beating a bunch of scrubs in the Code B qualifiers.
On January 04 2012 16:32 Animostas wrote: This is really cool, I really want to see what Chinese players are like, but GSL is hardly meaning anything anymore with all of these free spots just handed out.
Code A spots actually aren't that difficult to obtain anymore, with GSL's expansion from 32 into 48 players. Hell, guys like Rainbow qualified for Code A last season by beating a bunch of scrubs in the Code B qualifiers.
Rainbow practices often and people in the code B qualifiers are at least top 200 in Korea, Calling any of them scrubs is rude and ignorant. Rainbow is not a bad player he is still pretty good and has been practicing a lot lately.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
By receiving a code A spot.... haven't you been reading?
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
By receiving a code A spot.... haven't you been reading?
And by receiving a Code A spot you'll have to live in Korea, so then it dosent even matter? if you live in Korea you can participate in the qualifiers. Haven't you been reading?
Xigua is pretty well known, but MacSed is really underrated, he's got an insane winrato, like 93% or so on the Chinese ladder, and he plays with pretty much only gateway units, even in lategame, kinda cool
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
By receiving a code A spot.... haven't you been reading?
And by receiving a Code A spot you'll have to live in Korea, so then it dosent even matter? if you live in Korea you can participate in the qualifiers. Haven't you been reading?
Why would anyone in their right mind pay the flight to korea with the off-chance of qualifing through a ridiculously hard qualifier? Even if you're one of the favorites to advance, your chances are slim. There aren't a lot of people who would do the qualifiers even though they might have the skill to compete in Code A. The financial hurdle is just way too big. Also I guess there aren't many korean teams that would let you live at their house if you're not in the GSL.
I, for one, welcome this. I like some diversity in the GSL and look forward to seeing both of them. GL Xigua/MacSed!
On January 05 2012 06:22 babo213 wrote: Meh I still dislike the auto seeds for foreigners they should have to qualify the real way
Maybe if there were online qualifiers you could legitimize this, but without online qualifiers there is a lack of foreign viewers. Like it or not, foreign players bring nationalistic viewers, which means Code A slots to foreigners is in sc2s best interest.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
By receiving a code A spot.... haven't you been reading?
And by receiving a Code A spot you'll have to live in Korea, so then it dosent even matter? if you live in Korea you can participate in the qualifiers. Haven't you been reading?
Why would anyone in their right mind pay the flight to korea with the off-chance of qualifing through a ridiculously hard qualifier? Even if you're one of the favorites to advance, your chances are slim. There aren't a lot of people who would do the qualifiers even though they might have the skill to compete in Code A. The financial hurdle is just way too big. Also I guess there aren't many korean teams that would let you live at their house if you're not in the GSL.
I, for one, welcome this. I like some diversity in the GSL and look forward to seeing both of them. GL Xigua/MacSed!
Thorzain, Sjow, Select, Grubby etc. (The Majority of the players that have been in Korea) didnt even go there to participate in the GSL, they went there to train. (Thorzain said this in an interview and so did SjoW in an interview, Select also stated that the he was going to Korea anyway it wasnt because of the GSL). Dignitas BlinG didnt have an invite but was supposed to stay in Korea (to bad he didnt find a place to stay). LastShadow, Major, Cytoplasm, SloG, ToD and nearly all other players besides Idra, HuK, Naniwa are there to PRACTICE not drop out of Code A through an unfair qualifying system (getting top1000 at MLG).
Seriously that argument of yours was so stupid, since the majority of the players who go to Korea go there mainly to become good not show of sponsors in ro32 and then drop out and go home.
On January 04 2012 08:00 Choboo wrote: I wouldn't count too much on GOMTV's guarantees regarding GSL seeds but oh well. GL to Xigua and Macsed, two incredibly good players!
Heh this is true. I'll say that they're really good players, but probably on par with mid-tier Koreans at best. While that is really good, it isn't Koreans. Still, I think the Chinese teams are being a bit irrational only putting their players in Korean-based tournaments and not non-Chinese foreign tournaments as well :S. At least they'd have a good shot at winning stuff.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
By receiving a code A spot.... haven't you been reading?
And by receiving a Code A spot you'll have to live in Korea, so then it dosent even matter? if you live in Korea you can participate in the qualifiers. Haven't you been reading?
Why would anyone in their right mind pay the flight to korea with the off-chance of qualifing through a ridiculously hard qualifier? Even if you're one of the favorites to advance, your chances are slim. There aren't a lot of people who would do the qualifiers even though they might have the skill to compete in Code A. The financial hurdle is just way too big. Also I guess there aren't many korean teams that would let you live at their house if you're not in the GSL.
I, for one, welcome this. I like some diversity in the GSL and look forward to seeing both of them. GL Xigua/MacSed!
Thorzain, Sjow, Select, Grubby etc. (The Majority of the players that have been in Korea) didnt even go there to participate in the GSL, they went there to train. (Thorzain said this in an interview and so did SjoW in an interview, Select also stated that the he was going to Korea anyway it wasnt because of the GSL). Dignitas BlinG didnt have an invite but was supposed to stay in Korea (to bad he didnt find a place to stay). LastShadow, Major, Cytoplasm, SloG, ToD and nearly all other players besides Idra, HuK, Naniwa are there to PRACTICE not drop out of Code A through an unfair qualifying system (getting top1000 at MLG).
Seriously that argument of yours was so stupid, since the majority of the players who go to Korea go there mainly to become good not show of sponsors in ro32 and then drop out and go home.
No you have the wrong argument here. And most people including GomTV agree which is why they give out the invites to a select few foreigners. I honestly don't see why anyone is complaining about this.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
By receiving a code A spot.... haven't you been reading?
And by receiving a Code A spot you'll have to live in Korea, so then it dosent even matter? if you live in Korea you can participate in the qualifiers. Haven't you been reading?
Why would anyone in their right mind pay the flight to korea with the off-chance of qualifing through a ridiculously hard qualifier? Even if you're one of the favorites to advance, your chances are slim. There aren't a lot of people who would do the qualifiers even though they might have the skill to compete in Code A. The financial hurdle is just way too big. Also I guess there aren't many korean teams that would let you live at their house if you're not in the GSL.
I, for one, welcome this. I like some diversity in the GSL and look forward to seeing both of them. GL Xigua/MacSed!
Thorzain, Sjow, Select, Grubby etc. (The Majority of the players that have been in Korea) didnt even go there to participate in the GSL, they went there to train. (Thorzain said this in an interview and so did SjoW in an interview, Select also stated that the he was going to Korea anyway it wasnt because of the GSL). Dignitas BlinG didnt have an invite but was supposed to stay in Korea (to bad he didnt find a place to stay). LastShadow, Major, Cytoplasm, SloG, ToD and nearly all other players besides Idra, HuK, Naniwa are there to PRACTICE not drop out of Code A through an unfair qualifying system (getting top1000 at MLG).
Seriously that argument of yours was so stupid, since the majority of the players who go to Korea go there mainly to become good not show of sponsors in ro32 and then drop out and go home.
No you have the wrong argument here. And most people including GomTV agree which is why they give out the invites to a select few foreigners. I honestly don't see why anyone is complaining about this.
The way foreigners used to qualify was unfair that was why gom changed it (I still consider it unfair, and really fucked up), they got a lot of critique for it by Koreans and foreigners like Huk and Jinro.
On January 04 2012 08:01 RacerX wrote: I still really don't like the get in free cards for foreign players, they should have to practice and perform as well as the koreans and show it through the qualifiers. If they want to qualify they go through the qualifiers like everyone else.
Doesn't make sense. They don't live in korea
Well how in the hell are you going to play in the GSL if you dont live in Korea?
By receiving a code A spot.... haven't you been reading?
And by receiving a Code A spot you'll have to live in Korea, so then it dosent even matter? if you live in Korea you can participate in the qualifiers. Haven't you been reading?
Why would anyone in their right mind pay the flight to korea with the off-chance of qualifing through a ridiculously hard qualifier? Even if you're one of the favorites to advance, your chances are slim. There aren't a lot of people who would do the qualifiers even though they might have the skill to compete in Code A. The financial hurdle is just way too big. Also I guess there aren't many korean teams that would let you live at their house if you're not in the GSL.
I, for one, welcome this. I like some diversity in the GSL and look forward to seeing both of them. GL Xigua/MacSed!
Thorzain, Sjow, Select, Grubby etc. (The Majority of the players that have been in Korea) didnt even go there to participate in the GSL, they went there to train. (Thorzain said this in an interview and so did SjoW in an interview, Select also stated that the he was going to Korea anyway it wasnt because of the GSL). Dignitas BlinG didnt have an invite but was supposed to stay in Korea (to bad he didnt find a place to stay). LastShadow, Major, Cytoplasm, SloG, ToD and nearly all other players besides Idra, HuK, Naniwa are there to PRACTICE not drop out of Code A through an unfair qualifying system (getting top1000 at MLG).
Seriously that argument of yours was so stupid, since the majority of the players who go to Korea go there mainly to become good not show of sponsors in ro32 and then drop out and go home.
No you have the wrong argument here. And most people including GomTV agree which is why they give out the invites to a select few foreigners. I honestly don't see why anyone is complaining about this.
The way foreigners used to qualify was unfair that was why gom changed it (I still consider it unfair, and really fucked up), they got a lot of critique for it by Koreans and foreigners like Huk and Jinro.
As good as Huk was in GSL he was also invited into GSL.
On January 04 2012 09:06 setzer wrote: GOM is turning into congress with the amount of free handouts they are giving lately. I just can't anymore get myself to root for a foreigner than doesn't actually qualify. History has not been kind to non-Koreans in Code-A and until people actually prove through themselves though qualification I don't believe they truly belong there.
Foreigners qualifying is a lot more impressive than a Korean qualifying. For a foreigner to attempt it they first have to somehow get sponsored enough money to fly to Korea and live there, will be separated from friends/family for as long as they stay, probably don't speak/understand the language, will probably have worse practice partners (or at best practice partners they have difficulty communicating with), etc. You just can't expect GOM to NOT give the foreigners a seed, if they don't deserve it they'll get knocked out pretty quickly due to the new GSL format.
Sry, for bumping this, but what happened with the iG-FXO thing? Wolf said in Code A after the conclusion of XiGua vs Killer that it fell into the water and that there is a thread about it, but somehow I am unable to find it.
On February 16 2012 05:23 JustPassingBy wrote: Sry, for bumping this, but what happened with the iG-FXO thing? Wolf said in Code A after the conclusion of XiGua vs Killer that it fell into the water and that there is a thread about it, but somehow I am unable to find it.
Well, I just read the some story from EdIsOn, the coach of XiGua and MacSed, after they finish their first GSL tournament, where he gave the explanation on the cooperation.
Translation are given as follows: (I am still learning English. Please feel free to correct me if you find any error in grammar or something : )
Note that the 1st section are devoted to their difficulty in getting the visa this time, which they have not encountered before. They experienced really strict and complex procedure regarding documents required this time.
2. On the [Korean] cooperative club At first I admit that there was consensus with Fxo which would not be official until the agreement was signed. However, we have to defer signing the agreement multiple times due to the visa issue. We were afraid that the agreement would be, in case we could not get our visa, hype for ourselves ,or deception on our partner and fans. (I am not sure what he originally means as the literal translation of what he said is "It would be that we slap our face if we sign the agreement before getting the visa") I have informed the issue on visa to the man who were in charge of this in Fxo. However, It never rains but it pours. Just because of the delay of our visa, they had to friendly tell us that it has been a long time, we have to find some other clubs for potential partnership.
It was on Feb, 7th that I received the email, resulting us on the horns of a dilemma. (He said they finally got their visa on Feb, 4th) Fortunately, GerradPrime happened to send a MSN message to me at the moment, saying "Hi". That just met our very urgent needs at the right time. I talked with right away about the cooperation. Since we have the experience last year and communicated with each other during the WCG, along with our friendship and trustfulness we have established before, we managed to settled down our partnership on the very same day. Now in the practising house of Prime, I just typed these words with emotion. They are really friendly, providing us enormous help. In particular, it is the professionalism of the people here that have stunned XiGua and MacSed. "I will be practising as many as MarinKing does from now on," these were the most words they (XiGua and MacSed) said after today's games. (Both of them got eliminated today in the first round of Code A.)
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