EPTGaming as an adult: Are you too slow? - Page 6
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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Petninja
United States159 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On January 03 2012 12:25 PhiliBiRD wrote: realistically tho, i dont see why pros retire in late 20s. that just seems kind of silly. especially n ow since SC2 is alot easier than BW, we know the same amount of APM is not required. Pros retire in their late 20s because it's virtually impossible to earn a good income doing it, let alone support a family. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
1) You care less about the video game, because you have other priorities. (i.e. less time and effort put into it) 2) you enjoy it less as you mature and grow. 3) bad diet, less exercise This whole "cognitive decline" and reflexs being bad is garbage. Most professional atheletes hit their stride in their careers between 24-29. They are certainly not declining in the reflexes, decision making or speed departments. Only the absolute best rookies 18-22 make their respective pro leagues, and often they are more or less useless for a year or 2. (please dont list a few exceptions as counter arguments. Its irrelevant) The only reason starcraft sees a younger age group is because the vast majority of players decide they want to focus on making money and building their lives rather then gaming because they cant make a living doing it (like pro sports) Gaming has a prime age because of social factors, not for mental or physical abilities. If starcraft had a professional league with thousands of salaried players making millions, you would see a fuckload of older gamers doing just as well. I mean come on people, 25 isnt exactly old. You are in the prime of your life. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
I also think you need a certain level of maturity and life experience, going pro at a young age would be really hard imo | ||
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Mutalicks
United States1 Post
I'm 27 years old and play in masters with little to no work. I think it takes true talent and dedication to be someone like Boxer or Whitera, but age is not a hinderance. Time and work are 100 fold more important than an absolutely tiny difference within the brain (if any). I am a much better gamer at 27 than I ever was in brood war at 17. I make more sound decisions and think more clearly rather than letting the adrenaline and pressure get to me. Also makes a LAN seem like a joke when I'm going up against a bunch of kids. WAHAHA | ||
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HowardRoark
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Nudelfisk
Sweden104 Posts
As you grow older you gain more experience and you can compensate by that. Fe there was this great pianist that turned really old (50+) and couldn't play his piano as fast anymore, so what he did was slow down during the less-fast parts and which created the illusion of him playing faster as the contrast was bigger. It's sort of a stretch to compare it to SC2, but as you turn 50-60 something you might need to start adapting your play if you're at a pro level. Play smarter and with less APM. I mean look at Nestea. He's like 35? and still owning ass. Doubt he's having any cognitive decline as he is evidently the smartest human on earth. | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
410 Posts
On January 03 2012 15:09 Mutalicks wrote: ^ I'm 27 years old and play in masters with little to no work. I think it takes true talent and dedication to be someone like Boxer or Whitera, but age is not a hinderance. Time and work are 100 fold more important than an absolutely tiny difference within the brain (if any). I am a much better gamer at 27 than I ever was in brood war at 17. I make more sound decisions and think more clearly rather than letting the adrenaline and pressure get to me. Also makes a LAN seem like a joke when I'm going up against a bunch of kids. WAHAHA 26, and is also pretty much how I feel, having dedicated a lot of time to Quake, CS and War3 when I was younger its seems that I know how to get ok at any multilayer game pretty quickly. Only got back to PC gaming with the launch of SC2 with around 4-5 years without a PC prior to that >< never realized how much I missed it. Definitely much fitter / stronger / smarter now at 26 than when I was 17. Obviously have much less time to squeeze in games these days, for example takes me 3-5 games to start playing ok and some nights after work ill only get to play the five and then its bed time tt. Its like I only get to play my best starcraft during my days off which is when I can spam more games. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On January 03 2012 14:35 Sablar wrote: I have to point out that Musketer while somewhat hostile was very right about the whole causation thing. Cognitive decline is "different among people" but it is also not some sort of disease that you start to get at a certain age and most of all you can't say that aging CAUSES cognitive decline. The graphs don't show that at all, but from your posts you appear to see it as inevitable (at 30, 40 or even 80...). Not how it works. While it is true that the body will deteriorate with age you cannot say that the results shown in the graphs are because of biological aging. Also it's very strange to assume that there would be some sort of onset and that it isn't an ongoing process. So basically I am against your concept of a biological "cognitive decline" as something "real" that you have shown with your graphs (0 data or sources), because you haven't. Otherwise I think we are close in our opinion because I do think there is an ongoing deterioration because of normal aging but that the effects of this is likely very small until very old age. So until then lifestyle choices and environmental factors differentiating between generations will surely have a much greater effect on cognitive decline than any biological process. Of course this is also a hypothesis based on theory and the observed difference between populations. Regarding the piano, as long as you keep playing why would it deteriorate. It's when you stop doing something that the problems are likely to start. With something like the piano that is about movement I guess the skill should stay pretty intact anyway. But instruments are not like computer games because skills from one game doesn't necessarily generalize to other games. Either way I think anyone can get good at SC2 but like pointed out mostly younger players have the possibility to even try to go pro. The sources are Nature papers and two courses at Harvard- scrb180 and mcb80. | ||
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elctrc_wzrd
Canada61 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
1) when a person gets famous there is a lot of luck involved. Noone can benefit from countinuous good luck. 2) The competition gets better and better. | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
Personally my theory is that too much ADHD-multitasking (windows, tabs, multimonitor, music) has eroded my concentration skills. This thread is a good reminder to me though to do more mind-intense activities, feeling sluggish after long dormant periods is such a gross feeling. | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
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figq
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
Physical deterioration is not to be taken lightly and probably dwarfs any mental deterioration. Flash is playing against the clock and it's not due to brain decay. For the rest of us non pros, life priorities are the biggest factor. Age has a huge impact on this, to the point that for most people, brain deterioration is insignificant. | ||
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Vigor
Canada77 Posts
 . i agree with @emythrel im sorry guys but if ur bodys slowing down at 25  you have issues i drink 4 litres of pop a day non-diet, dont really do any exercise at all or physical activity, smoke a pack of cigarettes a day, and drink decently consistent all in your head or. if i may point to the obvious hand eye coordination is something you either have to a great extent or not, you can improve it to a point i'm sure but its something u either have or you dont. some people also have better gene's for having a healthy process of sustaining memory, reasoning etc everyone's different some would be able to sustain a professional gaming career for a long time some will burn out asap, life is shitty just prayin im 1 of the lucky 1's | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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habeck
1120 Posts
So they probably don't feel as competive as they were | ||
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