EPTGaming as an adult: Are you too slow? - Page 8
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United States1177 Posts
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
Kids are amazing at learning and understanding things that are completely new to them even without any pervious knowledge to go by. However, as you get older you gain alot of knowledge about things so if you do something that is just somewhat related to areas in which you already excel, you are going to be more than fine since your brain is trained to be working in that particular pattern. Just my opinion  | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
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artrea
Latvia3560 Posts
As has been mentioned before in this thread, older (past say 25) humans learn differently than young adults and teens, they have more frameworks that they can hang the new knowledge/skills onto, but have much harder time learning new frameworks. Thus, you are truly fucked if you are over 30 years old and have never played anything requiring such APM and reaction times. Strategy wise you should be fine as there should be some area of your life that you can transfer skills from. Disclaimer: I am almost 40. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On January 03 2012 18:16 Stolat wrote: Current "near 30" people are first gaming generation. It's more like 40-45. The video games that current 40 year olds were playing at age 12 were every bit as demanding as what's out there now. | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
had a cheap ass employer who used a petroleum based cleaner, Was basically like sniffing petrol all day for about 4 years. i've slowed down alot after it :/ | ||
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NicoLoco
Norway159 Posts
All these are silly options to chose from. I am not offended or anything, but even REMOTELY implying that "over 25" can be considered "getting old" is a joke. | ||
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Carnagath
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
The next generaton will (Hopefully) always be sharper then us sharper isent smarter its just sharper better proccesor but what you have on the hardrive matters alot to. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On January 03 2012 18:45 Lysenko wrote: It's more like 40-45. The video games that current 40 year olds were playing at age 12 were every bit as demanding as what's out there now. Depeds really what you include in your list of video games, though I would say the first gaming generation is about 40 now; I can tell you I don't know anyone "first gaming generation" who is reasonably older than me. While Space Invaders was my first video game played I would not include it into the list of "demanding" or even competitive games. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MImYF.jpg) You could probably count Quake as the first vidoe game that was really played on a competitive scale and I was already 25 then and always one of the older guys. | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
Lets face it, BW is a game based around mechanics. Builds have been flushed out for 10 years now, and while people like Flash and Jaedong make tweaks for sure, the core buildorders and creative process was almost compete when they came around. My point being, they are at the top of BW now because they are literally the fastest progamers out there with the best multitasking skill, it has nothing to do with their age. In the days of Boxer, July, Nada and etc, the game of BW was more focused on creativity, not pure mechanical speed. Thats why a genius like Boxer succeeded (and why hes always the first to unveil ridiculously awesome strats to this day in SC2, every couple of months the SlayerS team comes out with something meta-changing) - but at that time, there simply wasnt a large number of "insanely fast" players. If you look at the number of people playing SC when Boxer first started in Progaming, compared to how it became past 2005, im sure there was 10x the amount of people playing BW in 2005 (i mean serious players, not casuals) - yet the number of progamers in MSL/OSL's remains the same (obviously) .. So the stakes get higher; the players who are mechanically gifted like Flash and Jaedong are possible because not only has the game evolved past completely new meta-shifts (happens once every few years, not every month like SC2 currently) - but theres a larger player pool to find these speed demons. SC2 will eventually become that way; but the game rewards critical thinking more than strict mechanical ability, thats why slower pros like Boxer, Nada, Nestea and etc can still compete with the 400+ apm guys. But eventually, someone is going to come along that is unreal in mechanical ability and blow everyone else away. He probably won't even be from BW, just some new person who started playing recently, but has that natural speed (along with desire to improve to his max potential) Anyways - my point being, It has nothing to do with age, it has all to do with just that the userbase of BW and SC2 is young in general. I bet the number of players in their teens is larger than 80% of the players, while people over ~25 are less than 10%, so its obviously harder to find people who are older and have the same speed, but its out there. Those are hypothetical stats, but just pretend its true. 80% under 20, 10% from 20-25 and 10% past 25. So for the whole age group, we have a percentage. If there are 8000 teenagers, and 2000 over 20, the percentages of us finding super fast players (lets say 1 out of every 1000) is obviously much more likely in the teenagers group. Hope that is somewhat clear. I think everyone is born with a "max potential" for SC mechanics; with proper training (korean schedules) anyone can get fast enough to compete at a pro level.. Then there are some people who go above and beyond that, due to their natural abilities. I relate it to musical proficiency; there are some people who are just born amazingly and could play the most complex Chopin piano opus with ease (ie the speed doesnt phase them) - but a random guy could play the same song if they worked their butt off for years practicing it. Its just natural for some people. Of course, im talking physical dexterity. Mentally I feel is the same too, and I dont think either one shows any signs of slowing down until you get into your 40s. Progamers who are 30 like BoxeR shouldn't be experiencing physical or mental deterioration if they eat healthy and stay in shape/etc, at least enough to effect their SC2 in-game skills (may affect practice time duration which could have a snowball effect, but in the heat of the moment of one game on stage, unlikely) | ||
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The Intensity
United Kingdom66 Posts
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Warzilla
Czech Republic311 Posts
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Bflomatiq
France40 Posts
On January 03 2012 08:37 jaminski wrote: 22 years old and my gaming is improving :D Same here | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
I'm more of a Zangief style player in fighting games... keep it simple, play slow and careful, and when you get the chance- hit hard. Pretty similar in SC as well, I guess. Fortunately at 30+ I've never noticed any decrease in speed. I think something like that would only really apply to the crazy-high APM of pros... like maybe when Flash is 30+, he'll only be at 230 apm instead of 300. Still extremely good... but not able to pull off insane micro at QUITE the level he once could. Basically the same deal as a pro athlete... the speed and reflexes just aren't at their all time peak after a certain age. | ||
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
 EDIT: Age 29 | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
The real barrier for older people like myself (26) is that the time investment and dedication you have to put in can be seen as very secondary to other things you have going at this age. Most people have 9-5 jobs or school that requires actual work and a much more active social life. All of which take away motivation from the game. A 15 year old kid is much more likely to devote himself to the game than someone at my age. That doesn't mean it can't be done. It's just socially more acceptable at that age. I personally really do spend a lot of time and effort on the game and I'm better than I've ever been. I consistently improve my play and mechanics and I keep raising my multitasking to new levels. Getting significantly better multitasking from age 25-26 has made me realise that there is actually nothing stopping someone from improving even the things that push your brains reaction time or memory storage / handling capabilities even after you are at a ripe 25 years of age or older. In Brood War you could make an argument that players such as Flash, Jaedong or Bisu had real physical advantages that made them stay at that extra high level above the others but sc2 doesn't require nearly as much multitasking or reaction time as BW did. Atleast not yet for another 5-7 years (if ever). | ||
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JonB
Sweden325 Posts
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
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