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On January 02 2012 18:44 Gamegene wrote:
lol it shouldn't really be surprising.
just look at incontrol: one post and everyone jumps on the bandwagon, quotes him and pretends they're best friends. it's like twitter (annoying).
or they decide to take the moment to draw attention, criticize him and call him an idiot.
"AHA! GOTCHA!"
+ Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 19:03 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles ;D I love you On January 02 2012 19:08 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles coincided with SC2 release :D On January 02 2012 19:10 GiMMiK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles Couldn't have said it better myself. 
Hahaha nice one.
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I would strongly support a forum that only pros can post in, but everyone can read. That way some actual strategy discussion can take place, where people actually know what they are talking about (all the posters).
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I remember when I first came on this forum only because I had starcraft 2... I was so amazed that pros could have debates with anyone on the forums. But then I read and heard people like QxC or like KawaiiRice (as he linked some perfect example of how people grab them appart and start with their e-penis) not willing to write anymore because of some of the bronzies with nice writing skills and nothing else. When i read this i was so sad TL would become just a newspaper forumsite..
I'm all for hunting down people who starts to bring their epenis infront of pros who take time to write, even "accelerating" some consensus of hierarchical "respect towards any pros" instead of them not posting at all. But then there will be always bias and freedom of speech which will be questionned and get into an infinite loop. So whats the good answer ? getting some private forums where we "X" can read but not post ? but then comes the question of who is allowed to post, i remember some topics talking about this specific issue 1 year ago already.
I would love to see more pros posting without exceptions. Definitely !
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i wonder if pros have smurfs on TL.
On January 02 2012 21:34 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:44 Gamegene wrote:
lol it shouldn't really be surprising.
just look at incontrol: one post and everyone jumps on the bandwagon, quotes him and pretends they're best friends. it's like twitter (annoying).
or they decide to take the moment to draw attention, criticize him and call him an idiot.
"AHA! GOTCHA!" + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 19:03 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles ;D I love you On January 02 2012 19:08 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles coincided with SC2 release :D On January 02 2012 19:10 GiMMiK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles Couldn't have said it better myself. Hahaha nice one.
LOL. SELF DEMONSTRATING THREAD.
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Was just tuned in to BeastyQt's stream, and coincidently enough, he was lurking this forum topic between games ;p
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I've seen Destiny and Tyler lurk a lot in TL on their streams, I think everyone does wheter you're a pro or not. However I do agree with the statements here, it's quite painful to watch a good strategy post by incontrol only to see a newbie post something like "well since you haven't won an MLG you shouldn't be talking". Everyone can theorycraft that is good and all but there has to be a respect towards pros, not a blind "yes everything you say is right" thing but at least the respect they deserve for the time they dedicate to playing and practicing.
I would love to see more input from pros in the strategy section, all these new builds people come up with maybe they can shed a light as to wheter the build might have some merit or not but I do understand why they don't like to post and it is too bad as well since people like Artosis, Nony, Thorzain, Idra and others are real students of the game and know a truly lot about strategy.
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Pretty much what IdrA said and KawaiiRice even demonstrated with a link. You're either lost in a sea of non-sense or you get targetted and flamed/argued with for reasons that make no sense.
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On January 02 2012 21:27 Apoo wrote:
For me as a player and as a viewer a only progamer forum section would be the greatest thing in the world, so i could read the discussions about the newest strategies and their ideas behind it. I would improve my play without just copy XvY BO and i would get a better understanding what the pros are doing while watching them.
This is a great idea for an exclusive sub forum. TL should really look into this.
No other community can offer that and it would solve problems for readers and pros, so their posts dont get buried.
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Every hobbyist forum I've ever visited suffers from the same effect.
The pros rarely ever post.
Ask any of them. From ANY hobby (RC, Paintball, Motorsports, Bodybuilding, etc), "is posting on the forums worth it?"
Nope.
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On January 02 2012 22:49 probob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 21:27 Apoo wrote:
For me as a player and as a viewer a only progamer forum section would be the greatest thing in the world, so i could read the discussions about the newest strategies and their ideas behind it. I would improve my play without just copy XvY BO and i would get a better understanding what the pros are doing while watching them. This is a great idea for an exclusive sub forum. TL should really look into this. No other community can offer that and it would solve problems for readers and pros, so their posts dont get buried.
had pretty much the same suggestion except that I think there still should be somekind of interaction. Maybe a sticky thread in the subforum which is open to everybody so that they can ask specific questions and the pros can decide to pick some to create a thread and explained their view on the matter
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On January 02 2012 22:25 Gamegene wrote:i wonder if pros have smurfs on TL. Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 21:34 GrungyMunchy wrote:On January 02 2012 18:44 Gamegene wrote:
lol it shouldn't really be surprising.
just look at incontrol: one post and everyone jumps on the bandwagon, quotes him and pretends they're best friends. it's like twitter (annoying).
or they decide to take the moment to draw attention, criticize him and call him an idiot.
"AHA! GOTCHA!" + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 19:03 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles ;D I love you On January 02 2012 19:08 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles coincided with SC2 release :D On January 02 2012 19:10 GiMMiK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles Couldn't have said it better myself. Hahaha nice one. LOL. SELF DEMONSTRATING THREAD.
of course pros have alt accounts.
Tyler has an alt called Nony(yes for real a 3k post probe)
IdrA had idrajit when he was perm'd the first time(idrajit is permed when his main account got unpermd)
hell even our mods have alts...like baller...
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On January 02 2012 22:50 BoX wrote:
Every hobbyist forum I've ever visited suffers from the same effect.
The pros rarely ever post.
Ask any of them. From ANY hobby (RC, Paintball, Motorsports, Bodybuilding, etc), "is posting on the forums worth it?"
Nope.
dunno about the hooby you're talking about but for instance, in poker pros are very active and the thread are often goldmines of knowledge (twoplustwo is a great forum) but pros get much more respect than in here imo, community is older and more mature
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On January 02 2012 22:55 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 22:50 BoX wrote:
Every hobbyist forum I've ever visited suffers from the same effect.
The pros rarely ever post.
Ask any of them. From ANY hobby (RC, Paintball, Motorsports, Bodybuilding, etc), "is posting on the forums worth it?"
Nope. dunno about the hooby you're talking about but for instance, in poker pros are very active and the thread are often goldmines of knowledge (twoplustwo is a great forum) but pros get much more respect than in here imo, community is older and more mature
I think that's more to do with the separation of stakes and games on 2+2. People don't accept random opinions unless they play at that stake. Also how do you define a pro in poker compared to SC2? There is a higher percentage of people making a consistent income on poker by a large margin compared to SC2.
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There are a rare few that continue to post through the bullshit, but what's the point really if they're just going to get morons criticising them. I hate it how these people go out of their way to try and help the lower levels and get flamed, I'd personally like to hear why someone's strategy might be invalid from a pro rather than a self-proclaimed strategy guru that barely plays the game.
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On January 02 2012 23:00 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 22:55 LeLfe wrote:On January 02 2012 22:50 BoX wrote:
Every hobbyist forum I've ever visited suffers from the same effect.
The pros rarely ever post.
Ask any of them. From ANY hobby (RC, Paintball, Motorsports, Bodybuilding, etc), "is posting on the forums worth it?"
Nope. dunno about the hooby you're talking about but for instance, in poker pros are very active and the thread are often goldmines of knowledge (twoplustwo is a great forum) but pros get much more respect than in here imo, community is older and more mature I think that's more to do with the separation of stakes and games on 2+2. People don't accept random opinions unless they play at that stake. Also how do you define a pro in poker compared to SC2? There is a higher percentage of people making a consistent income on poker by a large margin compared to SC2.
you can to a certain extend compare stakes and leagues, even if a bronze league could definitely beat a GM in poker (on a very short run) but not at SC2. Considering the size of the player pool in the poker world i'm not sure the ratio pro/casual is that different compared to sc2. Anyway the selection of who can post will inevitably be arbitrary, you can start with -for instance- allow only the featured streamers to post, and allow players to apply to join. If they feel they're actually discussing the games and confronting RELEVANT views, it might create a positive dynamic and make them feel like posting more. I totally sound idealistic but the way it is now i not optimal and as there are no age requirement on TL it'll remain like this, some will grow up but will be replaced by other internet heroes wanting to trash talk pros...
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Reading some of incontrols.... discussions with people should give you a really good idea why most pros don't bother to post shit a lot of the time.
There are a lot of little fuckers out there and it's hardly worth it.
And yea, what idra said basically.
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I see MorroW, Naniwa, TT1, Tyler, Incontrol, Merz and Naruto post a lot.
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Cos players that are active in the community are more likely to be unfairly criticized. An comparison would be EG incontrol and FNATIC tod. Both are high profile players that are on top tier teams but when tod drops out of group stages or does poorly in an mlg nobody says tod is a shit player, unfocused etc. Whereas incontrol has his own antifan club.
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On January 02 2012 22:25 Gamegene wrote:i wonder if pros have smurfs on TL. Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 21:34 GrungyMunchy wrote:On January 02 2012 18:44 Gamegene wrote:
lol it shouldn't really be surprising.
just look at incontrol: one post and everyone jumps on the bandwagon, quotes him and pretends they're best friends. it's like twitter (annoying).
or they decide to take the moment to draw attention, criticize him and call him an idiot.
"AHA! GOTCHA!" + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 19:03 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles ;D I love you On January 02 2012 19:08 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles coincided with SC2 release :D On January 02 2012 19:10 GiMMiK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles Couldn't have said it better myself. Hahaha nice one. LOL. SELF DEMONSTRATING THREAD.
it was a trap  /cry
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Many of them do. They don't want to deal with other people's bullshit most of the time. These forums are flooded with b.s.
When the community was a lot smaller it was much easier. Not so much anymore. It comes with the territory of growth, but hey I still post 
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