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On January 02 2012 19:43 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:39 GiMMiK wrote:On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important. no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible" I see. That makes sense. It's just a little sad that the pros don't feel safe to post because of the radical ideas people have about pros. I mean I think that getting an opinion from anyone better than me would be worth it, especially in the strategy forum. Can people really not resist basing a pros knowledge in any forum based off very recent results? I think it's an effect of the popularity of competitive SC2 in the foreign scene. With the larger community that comes with a more popular game, a more clearly defined split between the players and the audience will be present. I guess that back in the days when it was just BW, it was more of a everyone-knows-everyone type of community, where it's much easier for players to interact without having too much risk of a random unknown fanboy/hater messing up the discussion with gibberish.
I'm sure there is a whole ton of new traffic because of sc2, but considering it's still a new game I'm sure those who are not-so passionate will eventually fall out while people that are really committed will stay. I feel like it could potentially become what it was.
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On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important. no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible"
With viewers+fame comes the downsides of it sadly. A pity that people in general are stupid and they only show it worse online. People should have to take a test to be allowed to post here  But I digress. Get back to practicing Idra! Come on man...  GL in GSL
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On January 02 2012 19:47 Tobberoth wrote:
The community has grown a lot since BW and there are many bad aspects of that. Sure, there were trolls and idiots during BW as well, but it was way more common to show proper respect to pros when they posted. If IdrA posted a guide to ZvT, that would be amazing.. yet you'd still have a billion n00bs who would pick on everything and bring up bullshit, even though they have no idea what they are doing.
There's just so many newbies coming with the release of SC2 that it's hard for pros to feel appreciated when posting. Just like IdrA wrote, so many imbeciles. AFAIK, several pros has said they've stopped reading the strategy forum on teamliquid because there are so many newbies who don't bring anything to the discussion and just derails everything.
imho there're as many fanboys as there are haters for a random propost...
The esport booming is like everything, good and bad parts! huge community means it's growing but the bigger the community is the more "imbeciles" you get. Maybe TL could open a subforum where pros can approach strategy with moderating rughts and where the random Joe (like me) cannot post directly, like submitting your post and it gets through a control or something, it would discourage a lot of trolls/fans to know that their "u suck"/"u're so awesome" won't be read anyway
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On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important. no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible"
Agreed. People seem to loose their heads and act like morons when someone with even a modicum of fame is in the same room/thread/building.
They are either rabid fanbois who just "+1 fan" everything the Pro said just to be closer to the "star" (OMG I talked to THE Idra !) or the alternative is they want to argue, belittle, take the Pro down a peg just as an effort to show how huge their e-peen is.
We should give Pro's respect where respect is due, but they still put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. On the topics of esports, Starcraft, foreign tourneys etc, they have more experience than the rest of us and their comments should be listened to... but by all means disagree if you think they are wrong (and you better have a damn good reason to think you know better than someone who does this for a living).
Other than that, we should talk to them just as you would hope anyone else would talk to you (be it online or IRL).
Politely & Respectfully (up until the point they themselves cross the line into the realm of BM, but then they are setting the bar on what is ok for them)
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On January 02 2012 19:54 ShatterStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important. no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible" Agreed. People seem to loose their heads and act like morons when someone with even a modicum of fame is in the same room/thread/building. They are either rabid fanbois who just "+1 fan" everything the Pro said just to be closer to the "star" (OMG I talked to THE Idra !) or the alternative is they want to argue, belittle, take the Pro down a peg just as an effort to show how huge their e-peen is. We should give Pro's respect where respect is due, but they still put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. On the topics of esports, Starcraft, foreign tourneys etc, they have more experience than the rest of us and their comments should be listened to... but by all means disagree if you think they are wrong (and you better have a damn good reason to think you know better than someone who does this for a living). Other than that, we should talk to them just as you would hope anyone else would talk to you (be it online or IRL). Politely & Respectfully (up until the point they themselves cross the line into the realm of BM, but then they are setting the bar on what is ok for them)
I put mine on two at a time...
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On January 02 2012 19:52 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:47 Tobberoth wrote:
The community has grown a lot since BW and there are many bad aspects of that. Sure, there were trolls and idiots during BW as well, but it was way more common to show proper respect to pros when they posted. If IdrA posted a guide to ZvT, that would be amazing.. yet you'd still have a billion n00bs who would pick on everything and bring up bullshit, even though they have no idea what they are doing.
There's just so many newbies coming with the release of SC2 that it's hard for pros to feel appreciated when posting. Just like IdrA wrote, so many imbeciles. AFAIK, several pros has said they've stopped reading the strategy forum on teamliquid because there are so many newbies who don't bring anything to the discussion and just derails everything. imho there're as many fanboys as there are haters for a random propost... The esport booming is like everything, good and bad parts! huge community means it's growing but the bigger the community is the more "imbeciles" you get. Maybe TL could open a subforum where pros can approach strategy with moderating rughts and where the random Joe (like me) cannot post directly, like submitting your post and it gets through a control or something, it would discourage a lot of trolls/fans to know that their "u suck"/"u're so awesome" won't be read anyway
Seems like to much hassle(probably), the community will mature but it needs years to do so. You cant really fix that. After 1.5 y from release there are still massive cries in LR's, even strict moderation couldnt prevent it from happening, "imbecile" rate will slowly get lower, but it needs time.
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On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles
pretty much.
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On January 02 2012 19:52 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:47 Tobberoth wrote:
The community has grown a lot since BW and there are many bad aspects of that. Sure, there were trolls and idiots during BW as well, but it was way more common to show proper respect to pros when they posted. If IdrA posted a guide to ZvT, that would be amazing.. yet you'd still have a billion n00bs who would pick on everything and bring up bullshit, even though they have no idea what they are doing.
There's just so many newbies coming with the release of SC2 that it's hard for pros to feel appreciated when posting. Just like IdrA wrote, so many imbeciles. AFAIK, several pros has said they've stopped reading the strategy forum on teamliquid because there are so many newbies who don't bring anything to the discussion and just derails everything. imho there're as many fanboys as there are haters for a random propost... The esport booming is like everything, good and bad parts! huge community means it's growing but the bigger the community is the more "imbeciles" you get. Maybe TL could open a subforum where pros can approach strategy with moderating rughts and where the random Joe (like me) cannot post directly, like submitting your post and it gets through a control or something, it would discourage a lot of trolls/fans to know that their "u suck"/"u're so awesome" won't be read anyway
I think this is rather vaild. I don't think people ever listen to the Ten Commandments set as well as they should. There are a lot of things about respect up there that just don't happen. It makes TL look like the battle.net forums which is... disgusting.
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i agree with what idra said, i used to post quite regularly in the strategy forum, but i just cant be arsed to waste my time to argue with people who have no clue about the game, but great overestimate their knowledge. but they get super pissed when i tell them that they are just completely wrong.
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I'd say most pro's that stream usually goes on TL looking around in between matches quite a bit.
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Bullshido, the MMA site, has a sticky that says "stfu and train".
It's good advice but it's advice only followed by the people that you actually want commenting on any forum for discussing a competitive environment.
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It's ok, as soon as a pro will post, it will be posted on reddit and i will know about it.
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On January 02 2012 20:12 DarKFoRcE wrote:
i agree with what idra said, i used to post quite regularly in the strategy forum, but i just cant be arsed to waste my time to argue with people who have no clue about the game, but great overestimate their knowledge. but they get super pissed when i tell them that they are just completely wrong.
And they ruin it for all of us who know we are terrible and want to learn something :D (not nuthugging, which is my new favorite english word)
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On January 02 2012 20:12 DarKFoRcE wrote:
i agree with what idra said, i used to post quite regularly in the strategy forum, but i just cant be arsed to waste my time to argue with people who have no clue about the game, but great overestimate their knowledge. but they get super pissed when i tell them that they are just completely wrong.
But if you don't post on the other hand you'll get flamed in a post whichs topic it is to find out why you wouldn't post.
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nuthugging? A fellow bullshidoka?
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oh btw i imagine TL makes pros feel like reddit's r/starcraft makes master league players feel ... just disgusted and faithless in humanity.*
*kpop threads also do this**
**da-dunsh
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TL should enter a minimum post league, that way bronze people can't argue and post stupid things. I believe the high level players will post more then and the stupid comments will stay away
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On January 02 2012 20:27 Tigi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 20:12 DarKFoRcE wrote:
i agree with what idra said, i used to post quite regularly in the strategy forum, but i just cant be arsed to waste my time to argue with people who have no clue about the game, but great overestimate their knowledge. but they get super pissed when i tell them that they are just completely wrong. But if you don't post on the other hand you'll get flamed in a post whichs topic it is to find out why you wouldn't post.
Do you think they care?
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There's too much background noise, it's very hard to filter out anything useful from a discussion thread. Busy people will sometimes post an answer to the OP, and very rarely read the rest of the thread; for the same reason they are unlikely to open a thread themselves, they can't hope to get anything out of it.
You still get good guide threads from time to time, because people want to show off their builds, and some do genuinely want to help the community. But the noise makes the strategy forums a collection of articles each with a swarm of useless blabber attached, kind of like the user comments on online newspapers.
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On January 02 2012 19:18 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:11 Megaliskuu wrote:
Nowadays when "pros" post they get a large number of people just nuthugging them and it ruins threads. Like right above your post lol.
I read this, got curious, scrolled up a bit, and lol'd so hard. So true.
It'd be nice if pros did post in the strat forum as I think their knowledge of the game is unbeatable compared to the top masters people who normally make the posts.
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