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Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
January 02 2012 09:44 GMT
#21
Considering the number of user i think the pros post quite often.
They can get PR shit if they post something without thinking about it first so i think thats why some of the pros don't do it as often in the non-strategy thread that have "debates" going on, the non "debate" threads are simply pointless to post into since all you can say its "gz" ( referring to the "new team formed", "player X joined Y", "new league is gonna start on Z"... etc kind of threads ) and i would guess not so many pros like to do that ( some of them do ) and there haven't been many strategy threads where the "answer" to the OP question or to some other question in the thread are not obvious enough to require a pro to explain them.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 02 2012 10:00 GMT
#22
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles
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FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
January 02 2012 10:03 GMT
#23
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles


;D I love you
Snitches get stiches
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 02 2012 10:08 GMT
#24
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles

coincided with SC2 release :D
Stork[gm]
GiMMiK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States43 Posts
January 02 2012 10:10 GMT
#25
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles

Couldn't have said it better myself.
I miss the Nestea glory days. :)
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
January 02 2012 10:11 GMT
#26
Nowadays when "pros" post they get a large number of people just nuthugging them and it ruins threads.
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Satire
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada295 Posts
January 02 2012 10:15 GMT
#27
Depends - I think everyone is the same way. If there's something interesting, they'll post on it. You see a lot of these people reply on threads that are of interest to them. The awards are definitely something that pros would be interested in. When you're popular, people will bandwagon you quite a lot, and it makes it hard to join a discussion as an educated opinion or having something meaningful to say with it being obscured by fans boys, or the opposite, trolls. They also don't have a lot of time.

I really doubt debating strategy with people not at their level has any sort of applicable meaning to them, and they're likely too busy to offer much insight to the game. To be honest, Day9 does a good job of offering insight into the game already with his daily's, as do many other pros with their streams. There's just not really a need for them to post on the strategical aspect of the game. That leaves issues of self interest, which are hit and miss for anyone.

It's a big community, and a very important one for Sc2. I'm sure pros are lurking around reading, and some of them do post now and again, but to be honest it's not really a big deal. They interact with the community in so many different ways already, in and outside of the internet.
Satire is a lesson, parody is a game.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
January 02 2012 10:18 GMT
#28
On January 02 2012 19:11 Megaliskuu wrote:
Nowadays when "pros" post they get a large number of people just nuthugging them and it ruins threads.

Like right above your post lol.
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
January 02 2012 10:20 GMT
#29
On January 02 2012 18:05 GiMMiK wrote:
In NO way am I saying the pros don't do enough for the community, because I am greatful that there is even a place where pros can interact. That is awesome. The basis of my post is about the number of lurker pros on Team Liquid and how when they do come out and speak on certain issues, they brighten everyone's day. So, if they're already reading the forums, why not give us their perspective?



Idra has 11k+ posts. You have 34. Who is the lurker??
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#30
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On January 02 2012 19:03 FryktSkyene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles


;D I love you


On January 02 2012 19:08 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles

coincided with SC2 release :D


On January 02 2012 19:10 GiMMiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles

Couldn't have said it better myself.



This is why some don't post anymore.Because when they do the thread derails into a fan club.
Cackle™
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
January 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#31
On January 02 2012 19:03 FryktSkyene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles


;D I love you

This post is just adding to the fact.

TT1 is probably the only pro that can post regularly on TL without having people hug his nuts.
GiMMiK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States43 Posts
January 02 2012 10:24 GMT
#32
I think that agreeing is not problematic, although I do understand the point. But does the pro care about really derailing the whole thread? I mean at the end of the day they'll never lose sleep over it.
I miss the Nestea glory days. :)
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 02 2012 10:25 GMT
#33
On January 02 2012 19:21 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:03 FryktSkyene wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere?

people are obnoxious imbeciles


;D I love you

This post is just adding to the fact.

TT1 is probably the only pro that can post regularly on TL without having people hug his nuts.


That's because he blends in with the crowd. Not sure if that is preferable.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 02 2012 10:29 GMT
#34
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important.
Stork[gm]
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 02 2012 10:36 GMT
#35
On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important.

no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible"
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GiMMiK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States43 Posts
January 02 2012 10:39 GMT
#36
On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important.

no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible"


I see. That makes sense. It's just a little sad that the pros don't feel safe to post because of the radical ideas people have about pros. I mean I think that getting an opinion from anyone better than me would be worth it, especially in the strategy forum. Can people really not resist basing a pros knowledge in any forum based off very recent results?
I miss the Nestea glory days. :)
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 10:41:09
January 02 2012 10:40 GMT
#37
On January 02 2012 18:19 T.O.P. wrote:
Back in the broodwar days, Idra used to post a lot. He's one of the few writing good posts in the strategy forum. SC2 came and he no longer cares.

yeah when I was just getting into TL via sc2's upcoming beta/started beta I loved reading IdrA's posts. i really identified with his upfront approach and loved seeing him argue so strongly; plenty of zergs used to whine, next-to-none were actually qualified.

even when it's off-topic ... blah. you have made me such a fan, idra. you're awesome.
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
January 02 2012 10:43 GMT
#38
On January 02 2012 19:39 GiMMiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important.

no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible"


I see. That makes sense. It's just a little sad that the pros don't feel safe to post because of the radical ideas people have about pros. I mean I think that getting an opinion from anyone better than me would be worth it, especially in the strategy forum. Can people really not resist basing a pros knowledge in any forum based off very recent results?


I think it's an effect of the popularity of competitive SC2 in the foreign scene. With the larger community that comes with a more popular game, a more clearly defined split between the players and the audience will be present. I guess that back in the days when it was just BW, it was more of a everyone-knows-everyone type of community, where it's much easier for players to interact without having too much risk of a random unknown fanboy/hater messing up the discussion with gibberish.
Such flammable little insects!
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
January 02 2012 10:46 GMT
#39
On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important.

no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible"


That's why i like the idea of Artosis SCDojo blog/website, where he writes about strategy and 99% trolls won't even find it, while he still gives alot of value. The bigger the forum, the less likely it is to have any kind of serious discussion. Posting on TL or reddit indeed just provokes what you're talking about.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 02 2012 10:47 GMT
#40
The community has grown a lot since BW and there are many bad aspects of that. Sure, there were trolls and idiots during BW as well, but it was way more common to show proper respect to pros when they posted. If IdrA posted a guide to ZvT, that would be amazing.. yet you'd still have a billion n00bs who would pick on everything and bring up bullshit, even though they have no idea what they are doing.

There's just so many newbies coming with the release of SC2 that it's hard for pros to feel appreciated when posting. Just like IdrA wrote, so many imbeciles. AFAIK, several pros has said they've stopped reading the strategy forum on teamliquid because there are so many newbies who don't bring anything to the discussion and just derails everything.
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