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On January 03 2012 10:50 The Final Boss wrote:
I really hope that this isn't an all-kill format Team League. Proleague has the best format, whether it is Bo5 or Bo7 with a seventh game ace match. Regardless, I love more team leagues, but there's enough all-kill style leagues, and the PL style is better.
Also, more TPW maps sounds really good. I love watching games on those maps as they're fresh and exciting! ^^
I think all-kill format just works better for international SC2 right now. Teams and tournaments have enough trouble organizing for teamleagues as it is - getting them to pre-submit lineups, then set out a rough time where every player has to show (and make sure they're there) is just ridiculously hard. Not to mention a lot of people simply prefer all-kill style since it lets them see more of their favourite players.
I really don't think proleague-format has a place outside of (very) high-profile events where players are guaranteed to show and it's not too much trouble scheduling (ie. GSTL), and in those events people want all-kill. Maybe we'll see it change as SC2 grows, but right for now proleague format can stay with proleague - it just takes a lot more management (and is a lot harder in terms of lineup picking and such). The benefits (ie. added strategy/depth) don't really show in low/mid-tier tournaments anyway.
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Will there be Koreans in S03?
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On January 03 2012 12:18 Xeris wrote:
Just to clarify if there has been any confusion: LIVE broadcasting will start during Season 3 -- we will not implement it during the team league. We will have everything ready to deploy live broadcasting when we start the next full season.
What do you mean by live broadcasting? Will we see the matches live as they are played, or only the casters commentating from replays?
People got confused a lot by this in past with NASL.
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On January 03 2012 16:24 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 10:50 The Final Boss wrote:
I really hope that this isn't an all-kill format Team League. Proleague has the best format, whether it is Bo5 or Bo7 with a seventh game ace match. Regardless, I love more team leagues, but there's enough all-kill style leagues, and the PL style is better.
Also, more TPW maps sounds really good. I love watching games on those maps as they're fresh and exciting! ^^ I think all-kill format just works better for international SC2 right now. Teams and tournaments have enough trouble organizing for teamleagues as it is - getting them to pre-submit lineups, then set out a rough time where every player has to show (and make sure they're there) is just ridiculously hard. Not to mention a lot of people simply prefer all-kill style since it lets them see more of their favourite players. I really don't think proleague-format has a place outside of (very) high-profile events where players are guaranteed to show and it's not too much trouble scheduling (ie. GSTL), and in those events people want all-kill. Maybe we'll see it change as SC2 grows, but right for now proleague format can stay with proleague - it just takes a lot more management (and is a lot harder in terms of lineup picking and such). The benefits (ie. added strategy/depth) don't really show in low/mid-tier tournaments anyway.
Proleague format is so boring. The excitement of 1 person comming back for their theam is unbeatable.
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On January 03 2012 12:18 Xeris wrote:
Just to clarify if there has been any confusion: LIVE broadcasting will start during Season 3 -- we will not implement it during the team league. We will have everything ready to deploy live broadcasting when we start the next full season.
Please try to make season 3 special. The same thing without koreans just wont fly imo.
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i must say this is just absolutely awesome :-) its lovely to see these tournaments take steps towards the (from my pov) the right direction :-)
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These are great changes. I have to admit, I did not watch most of NASL S2 due to some of the things mentioned (website, seemingly huge delay between when the games are played and when they are aired). It's good that you're addressing most of the major complaints.
As for Koreans, well...bridges have been burned, gotta work with what you have.
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On January 03 2012 05:51 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 09:29 Waxangel wrote:On January 02 2012 09:05 Xeris wrote:On January 02 2012 08:56 Waxangel wrote:
great.... worthless until we see them implemented though
promising big things and not delivering has been a pretty standard NASL trend I don't get what we've promised and not delivered? The only thing we promised was a $100,000 league - which we delivered. There's a huge difference between not living up to expectations and failing to deliver something. I'm sure you'll "deliver." But what kind of shape will it come in? Aren't you a TL writer or something like that? If so, learn some professionalism and then learn how to talk to people. I realize you're just expressing your opinion, but seriously you need to find a way to do that without sounding like a huge dick. If I'm wrong and you don't represent this website in any way then disregard that. Random trolls are random trolls but I'm surprised to hear TL staff talk like that to a representative of a major league like the NASL. I expect better from TL. But anyway, I think the changes will definitely make the league better so props to NASL. Don't let the assholes get you down.
So you're against honesty and being truthful? You would rather people talk in circles and cloud their words with oozing honey. lolwut. This is esports not politics. It seems you want people to act like politicians here. Some of us prefer people to say it like it is. Shoot from the hip. No one wants people to have a snake like tongue.
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I have some questions about the team league. If it is a king of the hill type of thing...
1. How is this going to work with all the players scatterd all over the world?
2. Will all the games be played on the same day?
3. Will you be able to schedule all the players that need to be playing?
4. WIll these matches be casted live/as-live?
5. If not how long can we expect the matches to be played before they are broadcasted?
I love the idea but I can't see how this is going to be possible when most online tournaments are having trouble scheduling two players to face eachother. We hear it all the time.
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Nice, I like the introduction of more team leagues. There should be a heavier emphasis on team events in SC2, good to see.
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On January 03 2012 06:17 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 05:51 Vul wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 09:29 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 09:05 Xeris wrote:On January 02 2012 08:56 Waxangel wrote:
great.... worthless until we see them implemented though
promising big things and not delivering has been a pretty standard NASL trend I don't get what we've promised and not delivered? The only thing we promised was a $100,000 league - which we delivered. There's a huge difference between not living up to expectations and failing to deliver something. I'm sure you'll "deliver." But what kind of shape will it come in? Aren't you a TL writer or something like that? If so, learn some professionalism and then learn how to talk to people. I realize you're just expressing your opinion, but seriously you need to find a way to do that without sounding like a huge dick. If I'm wrong and you don't represent this website in any way then disregard that. Random trolls are random trolls but I'm surprised to hear TL staff talk like that to a representative of a major league like the NASL. I expect better from TL. But anyway, I think the changes will definitely make the league better so props to NASL. Don't let the assholes get you down. how mod are you bro? Like living up to being a TL writer means every comment you leave is polite. I think with NASL we are wise to have a wait and see attitude. I had a good time watching the finals, I hope I enjoy more content in the future.
I don't think it's that hard to be polite when you talk to people, but I don't want to derail the thread.
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On January 03 2012 20:00 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 05:51 Vul wrote:On January 02 2012 09:29 Waxangel wrote:On January 02 2012 09:05 Xeris wrote:On January 02 2012 08:56 Waxangel wrote:
great.... worthless until we see them implemented though
promising big things and not delivering has been a pretty standard NASL trend I don't get what we've promised and not delivered? The only thing we promised was a $100,000 league - which we delivered. There's a huge difference between not living up to expectations and failing to deliver something. I'm sure you'll "deliver." But what kind of shape will it come in? Aren't you a TL writer or something like that? If so, learn some professionalism and then learn how to talk to people. I realize you're just expressing your opinion, but seriously you need to find a way to do that without sounding like a huge dick. If I'm wrong and you don't represent this website in any way then disregard that. Random trolls are random trolls but I'm surprised to hear TL staff talk like that to a representative of a major league like the NASL. I expect better from TL. But anyway, I think the changes will definitely make the league better so props to NASL. Don't let the assholes get you down. So you're against honesty and being truthful? You would rather people talk in circles and cloud their words with oozing honey. lolwut. This is esports not politics. It seems you want people to act like politicians here. Some of us prefer people to say it like it is. Shoot from the hip. No one wants people to have a snake like tongue.
Vul is completely correct. Being a TL writer means he represents teamliquid.net, and being a douchebag towards major leagues such as NASL is very unprofessional. He should learn to behave - imagine if Kennigit or Nazgul or whoever came in and said the same thing, you'd be very surprised.
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Want truth? Click tag.
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I want NASL to be good, keep churning out the product Xeris!
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On January 04 2012 06:44 Soulrivers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 20:00 ptbl wrote:On January 03 2012 05:51 Vul wrote:On January 02 2012 09:29 Waxangel wrote:On January 02 2012 09:05 Xeris wrote:On January 02 2012 08:56 Waxangel wrote:
great.... worthless until we see them implemented though
promising big things and not delivering has been a pretty standard NASL trend I don't get what we've promised and not delivered? The only thing we promised was a $100,000 league - which we delivered. There's a huge difference between not living up to expectations and failing to deliver something. I'm sure you'll "deliver." But what kind of shape will it come in? Aren't you a TL writer or something like that? If so, learn some professionalism and then learn how to talk to people. I realize you're just expressing your opinion, but seriously you need to find a way to do that without sounding like a huge dick. If I'm wrong and you don't represent this website in any way then disregard that. Random trolls are random trolls but I'm surprised to hear TL staff talk like that to a representative of a major league like the NASL. I expect better from TL. But anyway, I think the changes will definitely make the league better so props to NASL. Don't let the assholes get you down. So you're against honesty and being truthful? You would rather people talk in circles and cloud their words with oozing honey. lolwut. This is esports not politics. It seems you want people to act like politicians here. Some of us prefer people to say it like it is. Shoot from the hip. No one wants people to have a snake like tongue. Vul is completely correct. Being a TL writer means he represents teamliquid.net, and being a douchebag towards major leagues such as NASL is very unprofessional. He should learn to behave - imagine if Kennigit or Nazgul or whoever came in and said the same thing, you'd be very surprised.
He writes for TL but he doesn't represent their opinions at all. It even says so at the bottom of the page. I don't see a problem with what he wrote whatsoever. He'd be well within his rights to write a scathing blog about a league or organization, and you wouldn't call it into question, so why is this any different?
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On January 04 2012 07:20 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 06:44 Soulrivers wrote:On January 03 2012 20:00 ptbl wrote:On January 03 2012 05:51 Vul wrote:On January 02 2012 09:29 Waxangel wrote:On January 02 2012 09:05 Xeris wrote:On January 02 2012 08:56 Waxangel wrote:
great.... worthless until we see them implemented though
promising big things and not delivering has been a pretty standard NASL trend I don't get what we've promised and not delivered? The only thing we promised was a $100,000 league - which we delivered. There's a huge difference between not living up to expectations and failing to deliver something. I'm sure you'll "deliver." But what kind of shape will it come in? Aren't you a TL writer or something like that? If so, learn some professionalism and then learn how to talk to people. I realize you're just expressing your opinion, but seriously you need to find a way to do that without sounding like a huge dick. If I'm wrong and you don't represent this website in any way then disregard that. Random trolls are random trolls but I'm surprised to hear TL staff talk like that to a representative of a major league like the NASL. I expect better from TL. But anyway, I think the changes will definitely make the league better so props to NASL. Don't let the assholes get you down. So you're against honesty and being truthful? You would rather people talk in circles and cloud their words with oozing honey. lolwut. This is esports not politics. It seems you want people to act like politicians here. Some of us prefer people to say it like it is. Shoot from the hip. No one wants people to have a snake like tongue. Vul is completely correct. Being a TL writer means he represents teamliquid.net, and being a douchebag towards major leagues such as NASL is very unprofessional. He should learn to behave - imagine if Kennigit or Nazgul or whoever came in and said the same thing, you'd be very surprised. He writes for TL but he doesn't represent their opinions at all. It even says so at the bottom of the page. I don't see a problem with what he wrote whatsoever. He'd be well within his rights to write a scathing blog about a league or organization, and you wouldn't call it into question, so why is this any different?
I beg to disagree. The official TL tournament coverage, which Waxangel writes/has written for, has their logo on it, is published on their site and frontpage and has returning writers, so it's definitely very official. If those pieces were parts of competitions to send in the best text, then sure, but it is not. He is an established writer for TL and therefore not just any user, so I don't think the disclaimer at the bottom applies.
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if it truly is 100% live....how do you deal with potential stream cheating since this is online?
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So excited!
Especially for the TPW maps!
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lol who gives a crap what waxangel says (I don't mean like what he says isn't important), but why should anyone get so worked up? I for one like honesty regardless of who speaks it.
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These changes sound great. Don't let the negativity get to you, Xeris. Constructive criticism is good and NASL, as any new league run by new people learning as they go, needs it, but you've continually improved and I especially liked your NASL 2 finals setup.
It's unfortunate, but the bandwagonery that developed with a lot of criticism early on and the subsequent reluctance of people to enjoy your league, even live at the finals, almost plays a bigger role in keeping you from moving forward than the actual faults of the league. This will take time overcome. I'm sure you and your team can do it, as long as you're being transparent and remain positive (such as in this thread). Good luck!
I'll be sure to buy a ticket this season again. 
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I was really turned off by what happened in S2, but I did tune in to watch the finals and the production/entertainment value was there. I just hope that they continue to fix errors and make sure that they don't have a "whatever" attitude about what has happened in the past. <3
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