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Discount_Glowstix
Profile Joined January 2011
42 Posts
January 03 2012 00:14 GMT
#221
I Hope they try to make this work. Was satisfied with season one even though incontrol and gretorp were involved. What iam actually looking forward to is the players, its all about the players. Having no names isnt going to get me to pay for season 3. Make it better than IGN proleague! cant handle CP, HD, and PU circle jerking anymore
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
January 03 2012 00:29 GMT
#222
Hope the teamleague is the 'winners keep going' format, that's the only interesting one for me.
nekoconeco
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia359 Posts
January 03 2012 01:12 GMT
#223
Sounds great. So the stream and vods are free? How is NASL going to make money then? Just advertising?
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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 03 2012 01:50 GMT
#224
I really hope that this isn't an all-kill format Team League. Proleague has the best format, whether it is Bo5 or Bo7 with a seventh game ace match. Regardless, I love more team leagues, but there's enough all-kill style leagues, and the PL style is better.

Also, more TPW maps sounds really good. I love watching games on those maps as they're fresh and exciting! ^^
Ghostface_Killa
Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 02:09:28
January 03 2012 01:57 GMT
#225
You guys are headed in the right direction with the above changes, especially with broadcasting Live / As-Live matches, however I still won't be tuning in unless I see the following:

1) More Korean pros.

I'm tuning in to watch the best non-Koreans duke it out with Koreans, and this will always be the case. To understand how utterly important this is look at why HuK, Idra, Naniwa and Stephano are so popular compared to everyone else, including many Koreans who are arguably better than them.

2) More charasmatic casters.

I honestly have to medicate myself to sit through Gretorp's terrible jokes and Orb's total and utter seriousness.

3) A streamlined player line-up of only the best players;

allowing for more high quality games, but less overall (this is a case of less is more)

4) Engaging down-time content that keeps me up-to-date on the schedule

5) Updated Website Design

This last one's unnecessary, but a website design that doesn't look like it's something from out of a Ridley Scott movie would be nice.

Best of luck.
Arrested for what, baby? Being awesome?
Argolis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada211 Posts
January 03 2012 02:08 GMT
#226
There is NO WAY the nasl can screw this one up...
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
January 03 2012 02:26 GMT
#227
I think you should do a team league BEFORE attempting season 3. Doing both simultaneous will put a strain on resources and be absolutely too much content for a single subscriber to keep up with. Just look at GSL. They had 4 seasons before they attempted a team league. And when they did they had it as a short stand alone single elimination one week tournament. Tha'ts exactly what I will expect from NASL and nothing more. Don't do yourself in by attempting to do a 3 month SC2 team league along with a 3 month SC2 star league simultaneous. Its just way too much content!
Killerhands
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States269 Posts
January 03 2012 02:31 GMT
#228
On January 03 2012 11:26 onedayclose wrote:
I think you should do a team league BEFORE attempting season 3. Doing both simultaneous will put a strain on resources and be absolutely too much content for a single subscriber to keep up with. Just look at GSL. They had 4 seasons before they attempted a team league. And when they did they had it as a short stand alone single elimination one week tournament. Tha'ts exactly what I will expect from NASL and nothing more. Don't do yourself in by attempting to do a 3 month SC2 team league along with a 3 month SC2 star league simultaneous. Its just way too much content!


Seeing as they haven't announced Season 3 yet I think it's a valid assumption that this will happen before Season 3...
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tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
January 03 2012 02:49 GMT
#229
Coming from someone who actually bought a season one ticket, the reason I didn't buy a season two ticket was due to two main reasons.

1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.

2) Execution - ideas are absolutely worthless without being backed up with efficient execution. MLG started off horribly execution wise but then cleaned things up and has production quality rivalling the GSL. IPL pretty much just got it right from the get go and has impressive production quality as well. Until the NASL approaches even the same ballpark in terms of quality with MLG, GSL, and IPL, it's just going to look like a homemade amateur event in comparison. The red carpet idea was incredibly ambitious in NASL season 2 but the execution was terrible. My advice... stick to LESS AMBITIOUS ideas and focus on EXECUTION of those less ambitious ideas first. Once the execution is clean, move to more ambitious ideas. Don't put the cart before the horse. "Keep it simple stupid" should be the mantra until production quality has gotten AT LEAST ten times better.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 03 2012 02:51 GMT
#230
On January 03 2012 11:26 onedayclose wrote:
I think you should do a team league BEFORE attempting season 3. Doing both simultaneous will put a strain on resources and be absolutely too much content for a single subscriber to keep up with. Just look at GSL. They had 4 seasons before they attempted a team league. And when they did they had it as a short stand alone single elimination one week tournament. Tha'ts exactly what I will expect from NASL and nothing more. Don't do yourself in by attempting to do a 3 month SC2 team league along with a 3 month SC2 star league simultaneous. Its just way too much content!


We are doing exactly that... O_O;;

The team league is our OFF SEASON content,

We'll do Season 3 after it's over
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 03 2012 03:18 GMT
#231
Just to clarify if there has been any confusion: LIVE broadcasting will start during Season 3 -- we will not implement it during the team league. We will have everything ready to deploy live broadcasting when we start the next full season.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
lefix
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1082 Posts
January 03 2012 03:24 GMT
#232
i am also very exited about the team league. i have always thought that teams needed to be more in focus in esports because player careers and even a games lifetime is often relatively short. if esports can manage to grow it's fanbase around teams it should benefit esports growth greatly.
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rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
January 03 2012 03:28 GMT
#233
great news..the old NASL website was pretty confusing!
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
nekoconeco
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia359 Posts
January 03 2012 03:51 GMT
#234
When you redesign the website use a white background!!!! also drop the metallic elements since they are really overused now.

Have a look at GomTV.net and basically rip that with some improvements/tweaks.
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
January 03 2012 03:58 GMT
#235
On January 03 2012 11:49 tubs wrote:
1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.


I find this attitude pretty shocking, actually. I feel exactly the opposite.
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xisuosuoxi
Profile Joined January 2012
Barbados2 Posts
January 03 2012 04:01 GMT
#236
What are your casters this season?
i love it
HamsterBob
Profile Joined March 2011
United States43 Posts
January 03 2012 04:27 GMT
#237
This sounds so epic, I can't wait for a non-Korean team league with the production values that NASL delivers! And HD and vods! Hooray!
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
January 03 2012 05:11 GMT
#238
On January 03 2012 12:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 11:49 tubs wrote:
1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.


I find this attitude pretty shocking, actually. I feel exactly the opposite.



To each their own I guess. I didn't like the way the Korean teams pulled out but i'm sure it cost the NASL more then it would have to to spend a little more to bring them over.

I for one will not pay to watch or tune in to shitty 360p to watch Vibe vs Strelok (no offence) when I can watch any other high level calliber player playing better matches on the ladder the same night on their much better 1080P stream for free.

And once again we are being told that improvements are going to be made, just like we were for season 2 and look how that turned out. Also think that there will be another game being added to this "star league", how much more work is this going to put on the producers etc etc. They have barely been succesfull with one game nevermind three. ( I really don't know if HoN is coming back for season 3, or why it was even included in season 2 so for all I know there might only be 2 games again this season)

IMO empty promises are being made once again and I for one will not be shocked to see the same crappy product that has been shown to us twice already.

drgrofl
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada48 Posts
January 03 2012 05:38 GMT
#239
Awesome
gosu86
Profile Joined June 2011
208 Posts
January 03 2012 07:15 GMT
#240
On January 03 2012 11:49 tubs wrote:
Coming from someone who actually bought a season one ticket, the reason I didn't buy a season two ticket was due to two main reasons.

1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.

2) Execution - ideas are absolutely worthless without being backed up with efficient execution. MLG started off horribly execution wise but then cleaned things up and has production quality rivalling the GSL. IPL pretty much just got it right from the get go and has impressive production quality as well. Until the NASL approaches even the same ballpark in terms of quality with MLG, GSL, and IPL, it's just going to look like a homemade amateur event in comparison. The red carpet idea was incredibly ambitious in NASL season 2 but the execution was terrible. My advice... stick to LESS AMBITIOUS ideas and focus on EXECUTION of those less ambitious ideas first. Once the execution is clean, move to more ambitious ideas. Don't put the cart before the horse. "Keep it simple stupid" should be the mantra until production quality has gotten AT LEAST ten times better.


agreed!!
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