• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:23
CET 16:23
KST 00:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2139 users

NASL Offseason - Page 12

Forum Index > SC2 General
267 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 Next All
Discount_Glowstix
Profile Joined January 2011
42 Posts
January 03 2012 00:14 GMT
#221
I Hope they try to make this work. Was satisfied with season one even though incontrol and gretorp were involved. What iam actually looking forward to is the players, its all about the players. Having no names isnt going to get me to pay for season 3. Make it better than IGN proleague! cant handle CP, HD, and PU circle jerking anymore
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
January 03 2012 00:29 GMT
#222
Hope the teamleague is the 'winners keep going' format, that's the only interesting one for me.
nekoconeco
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia359 Posts
January 03 2012 01:12 GMT
#223
Sounds great. So the stream and vods are free? How is NASL going to make money then? Just advertising?
My Photoshop stream (requests welcome) --> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304143
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 03 2012 01:50 GMT
#224
I really hope that this isn't an all-kill format Team League. Proleague has the best format, whether it is Bo5 or Bo7 with a seventh game ace match. Regardless, I love more team leagues, but there's enough all-kill style leagues, and the PL style is better.

Also, more TPW maps sounds really good. I love watching games on those maps as they're fresh and exciting! ^^
Ghostface_Killa
Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 02:09:28
January 03 2012 01:57 GMT
#225
You guys are headed in the right direction with the above changes, especially with broadcasting Live / As-Live matches, however I still won't be tuning in unless I see the following:

1) More Korean pros.

I'm tuning in to watch the best non-Koreans duke it out with Koreans, and this will always be the case. To understand how utterly important this is look at why HuK, Idra, Naniwa and Stephano are so popular compared to everyone else, including many Koreans who are arguably better than them.

2) More charasmatic casters.

I honestly have to medicate myself to sit through Gretorp's terrible jokes and Orb's total and utter seriousness.

3) A streamlined player line-up of only the best players;

allowing for more high quality games, but less overall (this is a case of less is more)

4) Engaging down-time content that keeps me up-to-date on the schedule

5) Updated Website Design

This last one's unnecessary, but a website design that doesn't look like it's something from out of a Ridley Scott movie would be nice.

Best of luck.
Arrested for what, baby? Being awesome?
Argolis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada211 Posts
January 03 2012 02:08 GMT
#226
There is NO WAY the nasl can screw this one up...
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
January 03 2012 02:26 GMT
#227
I think you should do a team league BEFORE attempting season 3. Doing both simultaneous will put a strain on resources and be absolutely too much content for a single subscriber to keep up with. Just look at GSL. They had 4 seasons before they attempted a team league. And when they did they had it as a short stand alone single elimination one week tournament. Tha'ts exactly what I will expect from NASL and nothing more. Don't do yourself in by attempting to do a 3 month SC2 team league along with a 3 month SC2 star league simultaneous. Its just way too much content!
Killerhands
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States269 Posts
January 03 2012 02:31 GMT
#228
On January 03 2012 11:26 onedayclose wrote:
I think you should do a team league BEFORE attempting season 3. Doing both simultaneous will put a strain on resources and be absolutely too much content for a single subscriber to keep up with. Just look at GSL. They had 4 seasons before they attempted a team league. And when they did they had it as a short stand alone single elimination one week tournament. Tha'ts exactly what I will expect from NASL and nothing more. Don't do yourself in by attempting to do a 3 month SC2 team league along with a 3 month SC2 star league simultaneous. Its just way too much content!


Seeing as they haven't announced Season 3 yet I think it's a valid assumption that this will happen before Season 3...
Winter, the realm of eternal ice. >> http://www.teamepi.com <<
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
January 03 2012 02:49 GMT
#229
Coming from someone who actually bought a season one ticket, the reason I didn't buy a season two ticket was due to two main reasons.

1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.

2) Execution - ideas are absolutely worthless without being backed up with efficient execution. MLG started off horribly execution wise but then cleaned things up and has production quality rivalling the GSL. IPL pretty much just got it right from the get go and has impressive production quality as well. Until the NASL approaches even the same ballpark in terms of quality with MLG, GSL, and IPL, it's just going to look like a homemade amateur event in comparison. The red carpet idea was incredibly ambitious in NASL season 2 but the execution was terrible. My advice... stick to LESS AMBITIOUS ideas and focus on EXECUTION of those less ambitious ideas first. Once the execution is clean, move to more ambitious ideas. Don't put the cart before the horse. "Keep it simple stupid" should be the mantra until production quality has gotten AT LEAST ten times better.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 03 2012 02:51 GMT
#230
On January 03 2012 11:26 onedayclose wrote:
I think you should do a team league BEFORE attempting season 3. Doing both simultaneous will put a strain on resources and be absolutely too much content for a single subscriber to keep up with. Just look at GSL. They had 4 seasons before they attempted a team league. And when they did they had it as a short stand alone single elimination one week tournament. Tha'ts exactly what I will expect from NASL and nothing more. Don't do yourself in by attempting to do a 3 month SC2 team league along with a 3 month SC2 star league simultaneous. Its just way too much content!


We are doing exactly that... O_O;;

The team league is our OFF SEASON content,

We'll do Season 3 after it's over
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 03 2012 03:18 GMT
#231
Just to clarify if there has been any confusion: LIVE broadcasting will start during Season 3 -- we will not implement it during the team league. We will have everything ready to deploy live broadcasting when we start the next full season.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
lefix
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1082 Posts
January 03 2012 03:24 GMT
#232
i am also very exited about the team league. i have always thought that teams needed to be more in focus in esports because player careers and even a games lifetime is often relatively short. if esports can manage to grow it's fanbase around teams it should benefit esports growth greatly.
Map of the Month | The Planetary Workshop | SC2Melee.net
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
January 03 2012 03:28 GMT
#233
great news..the old NASL website was pretty confusing!
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
nekoconeco
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia359 Posts
January 03 2012 03:51 GMT
#234
When you redesign the website use a white background!!!! also drop the metallic elements since they are really overused now.

Have a look at GomTV.net and basically rip that with some improvements/tweaks.
My Photoshop stream (requests welcome) --> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304143
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
January 03 2012 03:58 GMT
#235
On January 03 2012 11:49 tubs wrote:
1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.


I find this attitude pretty shocking, actually. I feel exactly the opposite.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
xisuosuoxi
Profile Joined January 2012
Barbados2 Posts
January 03 2012 04:01 GMT
#236
What are your casters this season?
i love it
HamsterBob
Profile Joined March 2011
United States43 Posts
January 03 2012 04:27 GMT
#237
This sounds so epic, I can't wait for a non-Korean team league with the production values that NASL delivers! And HD and vods! Hooray!
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
January 03 2012 05:11 GMT
#238
On January 03 2012 12:58 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 11:49 tubs wrote:
1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.


I find this attitude pretty shocking, actually. I feel exactly the opposite.



To each their own I guess. I didn't like the way the Korean teams pulled out but i'm sure it cost the NASL more then it would have to to spend a little more to bring them over.

I for one will not pay to watch or tune in to shitty 360p to watch Vibe vs Strelok (no offence) when I can watch any other high level calliber player playing better matches on the ladder the same night on their much better 1080P stream for free.

And once again we are being told that improvements are going to be made, just like we were for season 2 and look how that turned out. Also think that there will be another game being added to this "star league", how much more work is this going to put on the producers etc etc. They have barely been succesfull with one game nevermind three. ( I really don't know if HoN is coming back for season 3, or why it was even included in season 2 so for all I know there might only be 2 games again this season)

IMO empty promises are being made once again and I for one will not be shocked to see the same crappy product that has been shown to us twice already.

drgrofl
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada48 Posts
January 03 2012 05:38 GMT
#239
Awesome
gosu86
Profile Joined June 2011
208 Posts
January 03 2012 07:15 GMT
#240
On January 03 2012 11:49 tubs wrote:
Coming from someone who actually bought a season one ticket, the reason I didn't buy a season two ticket was due to two main reasons.

1) Koreans dropping out - that was a HUGE blow to the NASL and unfortunately not bending backwards to their demands was the wrong BUSINESS DECISION to take. Like most viewers I want to see the best versus the best battle it out - not 2nd tier or 3rd tier players. So unless the top koreans are coming back in season three, I won't be buying another season or watching the NASL regular season.

2) Execution - ideas are absolutely worthless without being backed up with efficient execution. MLG started off horribly execution wise but then cleaned things up and has production quality rivalling the GSL. IPL pretty much just got it right from the get go and has impressive production quality as well. Until the NASL approaches even the same ballpark in terms of quality with MLG, GSL, and IPL, it's just going to look like a homemade amateur event in comparison. The red carpet idea was incredibly ambitious in NASL season 2 but the execution was terrible. My advice... stick to LESS AMBITIOUS ideas and focus on EXECUTION of those less ambitious ideas first. Once the execution is clean, move to more ambitious ideas. Don't put the cart before the horse. "Keep it simple stupid" should be the mantra until production quality has gotten AT LEAST ten times better.


agreed!!
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
#61
WardiTV1056
TKL 261
Harstem213
Rex121
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko317
Reynor 273
TKL 261
Harstem 213
Rex 121
ProTech119
BRAT_OK 68
LamboSC2 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37064
Calm 8195
Horang2 1335
EffOrt 928
Soma 744
Jaedong 651
Stork 522
Larva 438
firebathero 399
Rush 270
[ Show more ]
Mind 141
ToSsGirL 67
sas.Sziky 57
Sea.KH 57
Killer 52
scan(afreeca) 22
yabsab 22
Rock 18
ivOry 11
Hm[arnc] 9
Dota 2
Gorgc5176
qojqva3729
Dendi1163
XcaliburYe158
Counter-Strike
oskar156
markeloff142
Other Games
hiko708
crisheroes361
Hui .316
Fuzer 279
Sick235
Liquid`VortiX117
QueenE58
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9057
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2051
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 33
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 12
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2564
• WagamamaTV406
League of Legends
• Nemesis5321
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
1h 37m
Replay Cast
7h 37m
ChoboTeamLeague
9h 37m
WardiTV Korean Royale
20h 37m
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 5h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 9h
The PondCast
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
IPSL
6 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.