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On January 01 2012 09:50 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 02:38 Shikyo wrote:Hey guys we all know ForGG was the easiest possible opponent for Leenock so obviously it was a good move, he knows ForGG can only cheese and as it's the style he's familiar with it should be an easy victory + Show Spoiler +Some people probably actually think that o_O Nahh he dug his own grave with this one~ Forgg can only cheese? If so, he is certainly someone can just cheese to be a champion. Just a bit hard to believe you can cheese to destroy bisu, Jaedong and Flash. The best cheeser in the world for sure. And no doubt, Leenock will not hold.
Now now now, there's tiny little grey text under there call "Spoiler"
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On January 01 2012 09:44 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 07:13 ffadicted wrote:On January 01 2012 01:29 FlyingDike wrote:On January 01 2012 01:26 ninjamyst wrote:On January 01 2012 01:15 tdt wrote:
epic fail by leenocl picking forgg. right up there with mc picking mvp. group selection for Ro32 is random.... leenock picked forgg since he was runner up last gsl.. the others are random Certainly an interesting pick for leenock, forgg is unproven, but he looked scary as hell in Code A Well, seeing as how Leenock plays like July, and fOrGG ripped that nerd in half, I can only imagine how these games are going to go.
except that Leenock is a Ten Times scarier version of July.
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I'm most excited about seeing ForGG play.
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On December 31 2011 11:18 1Eris1 wrote:
Idra actually has a pretty good chance considering Lucky's ZvZ and the fact that Nesteas been failing hard.
Personally I'm most curious as to who's going to finish second in group B. (Fin will 2-0 of course)
NesTea loses 2 ZvZ, people say he's been failing hard.
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Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment.
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group c i can take some notes off MvP how to beat the top zergs, looking forward to watching him crooooooosh!
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On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment.
quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety.
even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire
but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock
remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME.
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I think both Leenock and ForGG both have aggressive and somewhat cheesy styles, so it'll be interesting at worst
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On January 01 2012 11:37 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment. quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety. even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME.
I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love all the hype around him to be 100% justified. That said, I really don't think it will be. He's a good player, but Leenock's been beasting it up the last few months. And all this talk about Fin making it out of a group with MC and Leenock in it in his first GSL is just ridiculous to me.
But still, I'd love to be wrong. More great players is only a good thing for eSports.
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On January 01 2012 12:02 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 11:37 nath wrote:On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment. quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety. even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love all the hype around him to be 100% justified. That said, I really don't think it will be. He's a good player, but Leenock's been beasting it up the last few months. And all this talk about Fin making it out of a group with MC and Leenock in it in his first GSL is just ridiculous to me. But still, I'd love to be wrong. More great players is only a good thing for eSports.
I cant see him beating Leenock but I can see him beating MC with how inconsistant MC is. MC is a good protoss but he has a tendancy to take big risks one way or the other that often get punished hard.
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On January 01 2012 12:02 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 11:37 nath wrote:On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment. quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety. even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love all the hype around him to be 100% justified. That said, I really don't think it will be. He's a good player, but Leenock's been beasting it up the last few months. And all this talk about Fin making it out of a group with MC and Leenock in it in his first GSL is just ridiculous to me. But still, I'd love to be wrong. More great players is only a good thing for eSports.
I think both extremes are wrong regarding forgg. In one side, you've got this CRAZY bandwagonners stating forgg is the next MVP while he's actually proven NOTHING at all. You guys need to realize what you're doing is as crazy as hyping Stephano crazily, the only difference being that Fin is a korean and an ex BW pro.
On the flipside, you got the haters, who will go to extremes like saying he's a terrible player and such things.
Forgg is OBVIOUSLY a good player, maybe even a great player, but he hasn't shown himself enough to warrant all the hype. Regarding the group, I tihnk any of them have chances. People like to discount supernova, but he has some really good TvT, while Leenock with 2 terrans in his group has a good chance. MC is there, and he has great PvT and has recently smacked Leenock around as well, also, Fin likes his allins, and as far as holding allins, MC is probably the best out there.
It's an extraordinarily hard group to call.
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On January 01 2012 12:33 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 12:02 LimitSEA wrote:On January 01 2012 11:37 nath wrote:On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment. quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety. even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love all the hype around him to be 100% justified. That said, I really don't think it will be. He's a good player, but Leenock's been beasting it up the last few months. And all this talk about Fin making it out of a group with MC and Leenock in it in his first GSL is just ridiculous to me. But still, I'd love to be wrong. More great players is only a good thing for eSports. I think both extremes are wrong regarding forgg. In one side, you've got this CRAZY bandwagonners stating forgg is the next MVP while he's actually proven NOTHING at all. On the flipside, you got the haters, who will go to extremes like saying he's a terrible player and such things. Forgg is OBVIOUSLY a good player, maybe even a great player, but he hasn't shown himself enough to warrant all the hype. Regarding the group, I tihnk any of them have chances. People like to discount supernova, but he has some really good TvT, while Leenock with 2 terrans in his group has a good chance. MC is there, and he has great PvT and has recently smacked Leenock around as well, also, Fin likes his allins, and as far as holding allins, MC is probably the best out there. It's an extraordinarily hard group to call.
What makes it harder to call is that it's also a mass of teamkills.
It's sad that people talk shit about Supernova so much. I think he easily has top 5 TvT atm, and he's shown that he can TvZ and TvP with the best as well.
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imo,
Jjakii/Sen
Fin/MC
MVP/Nestea
Bomber/Curious
MMA/Gumiho
DRG/JYP
aLive/MKP
Nada/Puzzle
Group A:
I might be a bit optimistic to expect Sen to do well, Ganzi's TvZ is very strong and you can never count Boxer out. But unlike most "foreign" pros Sen has access to the KR ladder lag-free for a long time, and has the benefits of a proteam house (even if the TW houses are still weaker than KR houses)
Group B:
I like Leenock but his group is scary. I expect him to lose to Fin and fall to hubris just like MC did. Yeah Leenock has pretty good TvZ, but Fin's TvZ is a future MMA in the making. His only weakness is TvP, so it will be up to MC to take Fin down. I think MC can do it; MC himself has been doing much better lately, and with no more foreign tournaments to hit up he can get back into his groove.
Group C:
Like most, I'm going MVP/Nestea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went MVP/Idra or MVP/Lucky instead. As good as Nestea's ZvZ is, lately he's shown weakness in that matchup. ZvZ is so volitile I could see Idra/Lucky seizing BO wins. And then of course watch Nestea lose to MVP for the gazillionth time  As strong as Nestea's ZvT is, MVP always comes on top of the mindgames when its a televized match.
Other groups are not as intersting imo. I hope DRG, MKP, and Nada do well though.
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On January 01 2012 12:18 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 12:02 LimitSEA wrote:On January 01 2012 11:37 nath wrote:On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment. quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety. even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love all the hype around him to be 100% justified. That said, I really don't think it will be. He's a good player, but Leenock's been beasting it up the last few months. And all this talk about Fin making it out of a group with MC and Leenock in it in his first GSL is just ridiculous to me. But still, I'd love to be wrong. More great players is only a good thing for eSports. I cant see him beating Leenock but I can see him beating MC with how inconsistant MC is. MC is a good protoss but he has a tendancy to take big risks one way or the other that often get punished hard.
I can see MC beating Leenock though.
This group will be extremely close.
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On January 01 2012 12:41 RoboBob wrote:imo, Jjakii/Sen Fin/MC MVP/Nestea Bomber/Curious MMA/Gumiho DRG/JYP aLive/MKP Nada/Puzzle Group A: I might be a bit optimistic to expect Sen to do well, Ganzi's TvZ is very strong and you can never count Boxer out. But unlike most "foreign" pros Sen has access to the KR ladder lag-free for a long time, and has the benefits of a proteam house (even if the TW houses are still weaker than KR houses) Group B: I like Leenock but his group is scary. I expect him to lose to Fin and fall to hubris just like MC did. Yeah Leenock has pretty good TvZ, but Fin's TvZ is a future MMA in the making. His only weakness is TvP, so it will be up to MC to take Fin down. I think MC can do it; MC himself has been doing much better lately, and with no more foreign tournaments to hit up he can get back into his groove. Group C: Like most, I'm going MVP/Nestea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went MVP/Idra instead. As good as Nestea's ZvZ is, he's shown lately he's shown weakness in that matchup. ZvZ is so volitile I could see Idra/Lucky seizing BO wins, and then see Nestea lose to MVP for the gazillionth time As strong as Nestea's ZvZ is, MVP just seems to have his number. Other groups are not as intersting imo. I hope DRG, MKP, and Nada do well though.
True but these are Bo3s. That makes it FAR less likely for either Lucky or Idra to take NesTea down.
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IdrA gets screwed (((
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Almost everyone who made a monstrous code A run did relatively poorly in their first season of code S, Ganzi being the most notable exception (making ro4 vs Mvp). I still expect forGG to own though, based somewhat on his reputation, of which I have quite limited knowledge, but also when I watched one of his code A TvTs and his code S qualifier match against July. The dude's scary. It's kind of silly to think a guy who still builds units like it's BW in SC2 is only capable of cheese/timings. I imagine he's capable of much more (especially more than some posters think), but at the least, he's shown he's capable of winning in the most competitive season of code A to date.
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On January 01 2012 12:44 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 12:41 RoboBob wrote:imo, Jjakii/Sen Fin/MC MVP/Nestea Bomber/Curious MMA/Gumiho DRG/JYP aLive/MKP Nada/Puzzle Group A: I might be a bit optimistic to expect Sen to do well, Ganzi's TvZ is very strong and you can never count Boxer out. But unlike most "foreign" pros Sen has access to the KR ladder lag-free for a long time, and has the benefits of a proteam house (even if the TW houses are still weaker than KR houses) Group B: I like Leenock but his group is scary. I expect him to lose to Fin and fall to hubris just like MC did. Yeah Leenock has pretty good TvZ, but Fin's TvZ is a future MMA in the making. His only weakness is TvP, so it will be up to MC to take Fin down. I think MC can do it; MC himself has been doing much better lately, and with no more foreign tournaments to hit up he can get back into his groove. Group C: Like most, I'm going MVP/Nestea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went MVP/Idra instead. As good as Nestea's ZvZ is, he's shown lately he's shown weakness in that matchup. ZvZ is so volitile I could see Idra/Lucky seizing BO wins, and then see Nestea lose to MVP for the gazillionth time As strong as Nestea's ZvZ is, MVP just seems to have his number. Other groups are not as intersting imo. I hope DRG, MKP, and Nada do well though. True but these are Bo3s. That makes it FAR less likely for either Lucky or Idra to take NesTea down.
I honestly think the Bo3 format actually greatly increases idras chances of making it out since seems like he mostly just loses to cheese.
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On January 01 2012 11:37 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment. quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety. even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME.
And and, guess who's been experimenting with all kinds of allins the past 3 months ? =O Leenock can allin all he wants but Terran allins tend to beat Zerg allins when they face off against each other, and I think that fighting fire with fire is going to be really good for forGg
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On January 01 2012 12:33 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 12:02 LimitSEA wrote:On January 01 2012 11:37 nath wrote:On January 01 2012 11:18 LimitSEA wrote:
Lol I love all these fOrGG fanboys claiming he'll take out Leenock. Seriously, how blind can you possibly be? Was winning MLG and almost winning the GSL last season not enough to slow the hype around one semi-decent Terran?
I can't wait for Leenock to rip him in two. The excuses people will come up with shall be an awesome form of entertainment. quoted to hold you to this statement in its entirety. even if forgg loses, it will be close as fuck and down to the wire but honestly, when forgg has time to prepare for a specific opponent, he will definitely benefit from it FAR more than leenock remember that guy "the jobber" who was going to military and beat leenock 2x in a row with a 5 rax stim timing? leenock is amazing but loses to allins ALL THE TIME. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love all the hype around him to be 100% justified. That said, I really don't think it will be. He's a good player, but Leenock's been beasting it up the last few months. And all this talk about Fin making it out of a group with MC and Leenock in it in his first GSL is just ridiculous to me. But still, I'd love to be wrong. More great players is only a good thing for eSports. I think both extremes are wrong regarding forgg. In one side, you've got this CRAZY bandwagonners stating forgg is the next MVP while he's actually proven NOTHING at all. You guys need to realize what you're doing is as crazy as hyping Stephano crazily, the only difference being that Fin is a korean and an ex BW pro. On the flipside, you got the haters, who will go to extremes like saying he's a terrible player and such things. Forgg is OBVIOUSLY a good player, maybe even a great player, but he hasn't shown himself enough to warrant all the hype. Regarding the group, I tihnk any of them have chances. People like to discount supernova, but he has some really good TvT, while Leenock with 2 terrans in his group has a good chance. MC is there, and he has great PvT and has recently smacked Leenock around as well, also, Fin likes his allins, and as far as holding allins, MC is probably the best out there. It's an extraordinarily hard group to call.
I agree 100%. I refuse to go to the extreme and paint fOrGG as a terrible player, he's not. Terrible players aren't going to make it into Code S that easily. But all this hype is completely unwarranted. He's only getting hype like this because he's an ex-BW player. Curious absolutely demolished Code A and he didn't end up with near this kind of hype. He showed more impressive play, and better results.
On January 01 2012 12:41 RoboBob wrote:
Group B:
I like Leenock but his group is scary. I expect him to lose to Fin and fall to hubris just like MC did. Yeah Leenock has pretty good TvZ, but Fin's TvZ is a future MMA in the making. His only weakness is TvP, so it will be up to MC to take Fin down. I think MC can do it; MC himself has been doing much better lately, and with no more foreign tournaments to hit up he can get back into his groove.
Leenock has "Pretty good TvZ"? I'm pretty sure his is close to the best in the world. I haven't seen much of Fin's TvZ, but saying he's a future MMA is a huge call, one too big for anyone to make so early into his SC2 career.
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