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So many fanboys and whiteknights. So many bans for such simple comments, lol.
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On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man.
You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female.
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Grats flo, good luck in the future!
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Anyways I am done arguing in this thread. If you guys think hand holding women is going to make them better overall, that's fine. Lowering our standards of expectations to meet theirs is only going to turn SC2 into BW where women play second fiddle to the males and never share the same spotlight.
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On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female.
Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud.
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thats. cool cant wait to see her potential
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On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female.
This is nonsense, low level pros gets get a few hundred viewers tops, often times less than that unless they're entertaining like Destiny, but then it's not his skill level that attracts viewers but his personality.
And you still fail to comprehend what Doc.Rivers tries to say. At this point I think it's purposely.
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On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud.
I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through.
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Good luck to flo in quantic
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On December 23 2011 08:18 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud. I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through.
It's the internet. Everybody is referred to as a male.
u mad bro?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 23 2011 08:18 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud. I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through.
Lol funny how after that guy suggested troll you switched to obvious trolling in order to save face from the stupidity of your previous logic  .
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On December 23 2011 08:22 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:18 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud. I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through. Lol funny how after that guy suggested troll you switched to obvious trolling in order to save face from the stupidity of your previous logic .
I guess it would be tough to comprehend that a woman actually wants to not be spoon fed, right? Players, regardless of gender, should be held to the same standards. That's what my argument is.
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On December 23 2011 08:29 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:22 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 08:18 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud. I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through. Lol funny how after that guy suggested troll you switched to obvious trolling in order to save face from the stupidity of your previous logic . I guess it would be tough to comprehend that a woman actually wants to not be spoon fed, right? Players, regardless of gender, should be held to the same standards. That's what my argument is.
So now that you're losing an argument you state you are female because...?
(I'm not trying to troll - I'm honestly interested in why, now, you choose to inform us of your gender)
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On December 23 2011 08:29 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:22 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 08:18 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud. I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through. Lol funny how after that guy suggested troll you switched to obvious trolling in order to save face from the stupidity of your previous logic . I guess it would be tough to comprehend that a woman actually wants to not be spoon fed, right? Players, regardless of gender, should be held to the same standards. That's what my argument is.
Are you equally upset about how foreign players gets better contracts and salaries than Korean players? It's essentially the same thing. Players aren't paid after what skill level they're at but how marketable they are. Results is just one of many deciding factors, so your logic is backwards. Why should female players be treated differently?
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Cool! Hope she improves in Quintic!
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On December 23 2011 08:34 aut0mati0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:29 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 08:22 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 08:18 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud. I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through. Lol funny how after that guy suggested troll you switched to obvious trolling in order to save face from the stupidity of your previous logic . I guess it would be tough to comprehend that a woman actually wants to not be spoon fed, right? Players, regardless of gender, should be held to the same standards. That's what my argument is. So now that you're losing an argument you state your a chick because...?
Let's say for a moment that Doc is right, that she was signed because she will bring in higher ad revenue. That would still mean that Quantic is signing her because she is a woman. They would think that because she is a woman, being of lower skill value would still bring her a high number of viewers.
How is that not insulting to Flo? It's basically Quantic saying that we could have signed anyone but we signed you because we know you are a woman and that will bring us more ad revenue. It isn't like she was coming off the back of some major tournament win, or had been showing consistantly good results in tournaments.
I just feel like all of the arguments supporting this signing are trying to find excuses for the obvious: She was signed because she was a woman, not because she was the best player they could have signed. I want to see a real true girl pro-gamer that gets signed to a team out of pure merit, a girl who just comes through a tournament and dominates. I want female gamers to be put at the same level as their male counterparts, because I know they are completely capable of doing so.
I don't want their to have to be separate female tournaments for them to showcase their skills. I think it takes away from the entire idea of the competition, as if being a woman is some sort of crutch that doesn't let them compete equally with men, and therefore need special consideration to be able to win a tournament.
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On December 23 2011 08:48 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:34 aut0mati0n wrote:On December 23 2011 08:29 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 08:22 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 08:18 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 08:05 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:
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Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male.
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Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute.
EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female. Um, no. The high master male signed to a pro team doesn't even get featured, bud. I like how you assume I am a male, without really thinking that through. Lol funny how after that guy suggested troll you switched to obvious trolling in order to save face from the stupidity of your previous logic . I guess it would be tough to comprehend that a woman actually wants to not be spoon fed, right? Players, regardless of gender, should be held to the same standards. That's what my argument is. So now that you're losing an argument you state your a chick because...? Let's say for a moment that Doc is right, that she was signed because she will bring in higher ad revenue. That would still mean that Quantic is signing her because she is a woman. They would think that because she is a woman, being of lower skill value would still bring her a high number of viewers. How is that not insulting to Flo? It's basically Quantic saying that we could have signed anyone but we signed you because we know you are a woman and that will bring us more ad revenue. It isn't like she was coming off the back of some major tournament win, or had been showing consistantly good results in tournaments. I just feel like all of the arguments supporting this signing are trying to find excuses for the obvious: She was signed because she was a woman, not because she was the best player they could have signed. I want to see a real true girl pro-gamer that gets signed to a team out of pure merit, a girl who just comes through a tournament and dominates. I want female gamers to be put at the same level as their male counterparts, because I know they are completely capable of doing so. I don't want their to have to be separate female tournaments for them to showcase their skills. I think it takes away from the entire idea of the competition, as if being a woman is some sort of crutch that doesn't let them compete equally with men, and therefore need special consideration to be able to win a tournament.
I enjoy the fact that you didn't field my question, but I'll humor your post anyways.
Name me one female in the scene right now who is at the same skill level of anyone in code S.
Now name me any number of mid-to-high-masters players with good potential to be code S material. Lets put it this way - I enjoy playing SC2, quite a bit, and attend LANs and other tournaments, some of which are female only, and post decent results. And I want to get better. It's just that I'm currently working a dull 9 to 5 and I'm paying off some student loans from back when I was at college.
Do you ever expect me to get to code S (even if I have the most potential out of any person to play SC2)? Probably not. You can't train like the pros train while working 40 hours a week. It's just not possible. Playing SC2 at a very high level is a job. And usually without team sponsorship there's no way you can quit your job and go pro full time.
I'm all for someone working their way up to the top all by themselves (for example the one redditor who's taking a year off to go pro), but it's naive to think that anyone wanting to better themselves as a player of SC2 would turn down team sponsorship on principle. If you want to get ahead you get ahead by any means possible.
(Also I'm male, just using the above as an example)
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who cares? at the end of the day if quantic signs someone who brings them money its better for quantic. i doubt anyone in her position would say no to an offer like this on some odd "moral" grounds.
i agree that i would love to see top female sc2 players compete at the big events. isnt this simply a step towards making that happen?
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Goodluck to Flo and Quantic
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On December 23 2011 07:52 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:30 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 07:07 kappadevin wrote:On December 23 2011 07:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
Name one sport played professionally by men and women where women get paid more and also get more viewers and sponsors. Irrelevant, we're talking about well-known female SC2 players, not female players from other sports. We don't need to look at basketball to determine whether a female SC2 player has greater revenue potential than a random high master male. On December 23 2011 06:37 kappadevin wrote:
On the stream list right now, Aphrodite has 864 viewers. That's less than every other pro-gamer that is currently streaming except Haypro and Minigun. I don't see any "evidence" in stream viewership from those numbers, except that she, just like every other mediocre player on a pro team, generates the same amount of stream viewers.
Again your attempt at comparison is completely irrelevant. Your entire argument concerns high master males because they're the ones you think are more skilled than Flo and should be chosen over her. Yet you point to the stream numbers of professional, featured male streamers to try to demonstrate that high master males have equal revenue potential to Flo. Can you not see why that example is irrelevant? Think it about it for a minute. EDIT: And to claim that Quantic signed Flo for her to serve as eye-candy for the rest of the team...well, I hope you realize you aren't helping yourself appear intelligent. Aphrodite is a PRO FEMALE GAMER, signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. The closest relevant comparison to her stream viewership is a PRO MALE GAMER signed to a PRO GAMING TEAM. How would comparing Aphrodite's stream viewership to any other gamer even make the tiniest bit of sense? Also, Starcraft 2 is a sport, just like every other sport. History has shown that because males play at a higher level in every sport, they recieve more funding and viewers because people want to watch the best of the best play. Why do you think that Starcraft would be any different than the multitude of other sports that have been played since the beginning of time? You're not quite following. Aphrodite is comparable to FLo because both have similar skill and are on pro gaming teams. We have no need to compare them to pro gamer males because we're not talking about pro gamer males, we're talking about high master males. I'm arguing that Flo had greater revenue potential than the high master males you feel should be chosen over her for Quantic. You can't point to the stream numbers of featured pro gamer males as evidence that high master males have equal revenue potential as Flo. If you still can't follow, you simply aren't smart, sorry man. You're the one not following. Flo will get the same amount of veiwers as Aphrodite. Once a "high masters" player signs with a pro team, they become a, guess what, a pro gamer. As soon as someone adds a pro gaming tag to the back of their ID, they will get more viewers on that basis, as they have been put into the spotlight. Now that he is a pro gamer, he would garnish the same amount of views as any other given pro male gamer, which is why I used that as a reference (which ranges from about 300 to 3000 currently on the featured stream list). You can't compare a pro female to a non pro male just like I wouldn't compare a pro gamer to a non pro female.
I miss the days when people had to earn their progaming license by winning a tournament. Now the term "progamer" is just a misnomer for someone who plays Starcraft 2 on a team. #MissingBW
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