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On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
They released a brief announcement saying they'd be adding new shows in the new year, and it sounded like they were talking about a different kind of content.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
You're nuts, the guys on MLG's shows didn't even agree about that.
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On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
Either way, I'd appreciate more transparency, because currently MLG just looks like it's either in financial troubles, or indecisive.
MLG have been in financial trouble for years, and Sundance was very clear on the vvvv show that it is time for MLG to make money. He said that they would cut stuff that didn't fit in or made economic sence.
They are just making the business work, the time of investment is over.
Sundance became CEO for just this reason. he didn't step back in for just the fun of it.
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SOTG isn't touched. Good.
I was almost crying. Almost.
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On December 21 2011 20:05 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move. They released a brief announcement saying they'd be adding new shows in the new year, and it sounded like they were talking about a different kind of content. Show nested quote +Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue. You're nuts, the guys on MLG's shows didn't even agree about that.
I said "who knows, maybe". I don't particularly believe that theory, but it's certainly not completely implausible. Chobopeon's statement in fact mentioned "independent journalism". And certainly whatever they said on MLG shows would have been MLG-approved opinions.
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On December 21 2011 20:07 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
Either way, I'd appreciate more transparency, because currently MLG just looks like it's either in financial troubles, or indecisive. MLG have been in financial trouble for years, and Sundance was very clear on the vvvv show that it is time for MLG to make money. He said that they would cut stuff that didn't fit in or made economic sence.
Considering how huge 2011 was for them, how could they possibly be in financial trouble? Or did all those satellite trucks and expensive casters and flying in Koreans end up going over their budget?
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On December 21 2011 20:22 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 20:07 Jiddra wrote:On December 21 2011 19:59 yeint wrote:
MLG is free to do what they want to do, however it's slightly worrisome that Sundance's only comment has been about needing to be "lean" for 2012. These shows were relatively new, and axing them this early seems like a very abrupt move.
Or, who knows, maybe the decision wasn't MLG's, maybe the decision was from the hosts who were upset about having to toe the party line over the Naniwa/GOM issue.
Either way, I'd appreciate more transparency, because currently MLG just looks like it's either in financial troubles, or indecisive. MLG have been in financial trouble for years, and Sundance was very clear on the vvvv show that it is time for MLG to make money. He said that they would cut stuff that didn't fit in or made economic sence. Considering how huge 2011 was for them, how could they possibly be in financial trouble? Or did all those satellite trucks and expensive casters and flying in Koreans end up going over their budget?
Growth is not equal to profit. Expanding a business is mostly a costly affair.
MLG raised several million dollars from investors, mostly from the owners own companys. With this capital they could expand during 2011, but now they must make this growth help them making a profit that will make their owners happy.
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On December 21 2011 20:20 yeint wrote:
And certainly whatever they said on MLG shows would have been MLG-approved opinions.
But... They were saying opposite things! Slasher took the position that Naniwa screwed up and deserved negative attention while JP and the SOTG guys defended him. Anyway, I'd say the odds that Slasher was running his opinions past anyone for approval was just about zero -- nothing has ever stopped him from ranting. The only things he's held back that I've seen are MLG insider info.
MLG is a small organization -- riding herd on every opinion stated on every show just isn't going to happen, even if they wanted to try.
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On December 21 2011 05:27 Slasher wrote:
Whats wrong with open phones?
I despise open phones almost as much as I do the general public. It ruins every single show I've ever listened to, especially on the internet where it seems no-one screens the calls to see whether the caller has anything interesting to say or has a retarded drawl of a voice where they seem to struggle with words over three syllables. So not only do you get bad questions but they're asked by some retard who spends half the time trying to interject. I don't watch SOTG/ITG/LO3/F Slasher to hear the opinions of some nobody who's normally wrong or trying to fan fires, I'm there to hear the opinions of those that have a foot with-in the subject you're talking about.
These same things apply to all radio. Especially Sports Talk shows. Jesus Christ the people who call in to those are so fucking retarded it makes me turn off. (On the nerdy talk shows such as your own I just mute until someone starts talking again.
I'm not utterly against E-Mails because it's a finite piece that can be read before hand to see if it's interesting, edited down so it doesn't ramble and is read aloud by someone who doesn't sound like Buffalo fucking Bill.
The only place Open Phones is apt is Conservative Talk Radio due to them both the Caller and the Host being as retarded as each other.
edit: Shoutout to Goatlust though, only one who makes it work.
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From what I can tell about Sundance and the future of MLG (for example, meeting with TV executives), MLG is probably going to move to a higher production standard and business model.
What I'd assume is MLG moving from a large number of independent shows to one "SportsCenter" type broadcast with all of our favorite personalities.
This model increases simultaneous viewership by condensing viewers of different segments into one easy-to-watch broadcast. This eSportsCenter would be on at the same time every day, thus making it easy for viewers to schedule a watching session. The American entertainment market has already proven this model to be successful on a TV scale, and Day[9] has proven it on an internet scale.
The condensed broadcast would contain segments from community favorite personalities into one timeslot, and cut down on spending by MLG.
This decision has nothing to do with NaNiwa- in fact, rivalry and debate make for excellent news!
This is almost assuredly a business decision to formulate a more profitable business model- either by improving ad revenue, or cutting down on spending by consolidation. Expect new membership models in 2012 as well, providing say, VoDs of the new programming or higher definition, or something.
Frankly, I'd pay up to about $25 a month for my various eSports subscriptions, just to support the industry until we get a nice eESPN channel on cable 
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Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage.
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On December 22 2011 02:26 wizshaw2 wrote:
Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage.
Sc Report and F Slasher had like 8-10 production people working all day for it. Sotg costs 0 dollars to make
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See? Everything is okay SOTG lives on. Now clean your underwear ^^.
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Well I've tried to watch SOTG several times, but it's always so freaking strange. Everyone's calling everyone dumb, making themselves look so silly. Even if they're joking the mood is so so dead. 0 charisma from everyone on the show. And when Incontrol tried to light the atmosphere a bit he was immediately called dumb by 3 others. Also Artosis lost me as a fan after I saw his performance there. I guess I ask a bit too much out of an unscripted show discussing about how dumb Incontrol is.
TLDR: SOTG lacks spontaneity and thus they end up making childish/awkward remarks to each other.
No offense to anyone on the show, Incontrol is great, I love everyone as a player/caster, but that "talk-show" just isn't my cup of tea. I'll give it another try whenever I get up earlier and hopefully everyone was just tired in those 2-3 episodes I watched.
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On December 22 2011 02:26 wizshaw2 wrote:
Fcuk Slasher show sucked... and so did its turn out... Not even a 1000 people watching it at times.
Not sure aobut the SC report... but id imagine the same.
State of the game is staying because it was the best of the bunch and had established names on it.
Good on MLG... out with the garbage.
Well we can obviously see your bias. His show was actually at 2.5k for its last several shows.
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I like both FSlasher and SOTG (as well as both their hosts), but I've always been perplexed by how the community can't get someone with energy to host these things. Slasher and JP have such a drowsy delivery, allow for a lot of awkward dead air, and generally don't seem enthused. They are smart people but just don't have the personalities to carry these types of shows. iNcontroL or someone with more personality should be doing this. Nobody tunes in to these shows to watch Slasher or JP, they do it because they are die-hard gamers. Lets get some charismatic hosts who can make a show that the uninitiated would find entertaining.
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Phew Sotg is my favorite. However that's a real shame losing two great shows like that, they are for me my SC version of SC and First Take, My ESPN you know? :<
Well the closing of things with MLG hopefully can turn into new beginnings for everyone involved. <3
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If Slasher's determined he can still do the show solo.
That said, from a business perspective I think it's a good idea for MLG to become more "lean and mean." The scene is becoming so oversaturated with second-rate content it's becoming a bit nauseating.
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On December 22 2011 06:27 Ghostface_Killa wrote:
The scene is becoming so oversaturated with second-rate content it's becoming a bit nauseating.
Afaik, F Slasher was the only show of it's kind. I don't think there's any other daily show that covers e-sports and brings on some pretty big named players. Also, how is the scene being oversaturated a bad thing. Shouldn't that be a good thing as we are still a pretty small scene so until we get to the point where we can manage without every single viewer we get, it should be a good thing.
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wow these shows are awesome they are being kinda lame
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I actually really liked both of those shows. But I wasn't part of the "tune in live" audience. For me, the MLG shows were a very good " something to put on while i'm cooking dinner" sorta thing.
Hope these shows return in some format!
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