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On December 20 2011 17:55 dacthehork wrote:
Slasher never really seem informed about any scene besides maybe quake. He would skim the latest drama thread or read some results but there where a lot of times he simply flat out said the wrong things. One of the worst ever was when he said he "understood korean culture" and the sc esports team blah blah I talk to __________ reporter from _____. Then he went on to completely make a fool of himself as he applied western culture directly to korea with the TSL fiasco. Slasher gets stuff wrong all the time, it shows he looks it up but is not "into" many of the scenes he tries to cover.
this is precisely correct; i've watched Slasher on the MLG FAQ, F Slasher, and LO3 ... he knows almost nothing about the Halo scene (which is where i started with esports), and even less about the SC2 scene. he doesn't really seem to put in the effort, and is extremely annoying (imo), in terms of presentation and interviewing style
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I'm sorry to see these go. SotG is funny but frankly probably the most useless of the three. Having it stay around makes sense because it pulls the most viewers, but it's sad to see MLG prioritize the quantity of viewers over quality of the program. As long as they use this change-up to devote more energy to their events I guess it will be worth it, but they were on to something with those shows and it's sad that they don't want to continue in that direction.
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On December 21 2011 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:01 Eury wrote:
Which show other than State of the game was more popular than F Slasher for MLG? Having 2k-5k daily viewers is pretty damn good. Its really good by the standards of independent people putting on a show, but not by the standards of an actual for-profit organization. Kind of like how you couldn't support a workforce of people from Destiny's stream, but he can easily support himself from it.
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too.
Was stog immediately as popular as it is today. How long did it take them to be as popular as fuck slasher was now?
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On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too.
Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit.
I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move:
* MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around.
* MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen.
* MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business.
* There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that.
It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things.
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I honestly can't say I'll miss any of these shows, since I never watch them. However, I feel sorry for the people who actually host / anchor the shows, their spokespeople. It must feel like a real corporate dick-slap to be hung out to dry like that. I wish them all the best.
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Chill out people. If they drop SOTG it will be for all the better. Then SOTG can actually play real music during the breaks instead of the "free" music JP plays. You folks remember a time when SoTG wasn't backed by anyone but JP? but really SoTG gets so many viewers each week, it would be stupid for MLG to drop that show.
And who watched that Slasher show?
#%&@! Slasher was the Nancy Grace Show of the SC2 community.
Thank God it's not backed by mlg anymore. That show was dragging MLG's name through the mud.
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On December 21 2011 01:33 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too. Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit. I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move: * MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around. * MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen. * MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business. * There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that. It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things.
Very well said. I just don't think that pure profit was the reason for cancelling these shows as many of posters are implying. I might as well speculate a little.
The shows were not as popular as expected.
Mlg wants to be solely a tournament, not news show where the topic is 50% of the time themselves. And they cant be 100% honest when talking critically of themselves.
Slasher wasn't representing mlg very well at times.
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I'm not entirely sure how an organization that wants to appear professional (I assume) would even touch a show called @$#% Slasher in the first place. Incredibly juvenile and unprofessional name to associate/brand yourself with. Add in the fact that the guy admitted smoking pot before "work", on air and it's just a PR nightmare. Even if none of that bothers you personally, it's a terrible business decision that does nothing but alienate a significant group of people that might be interested in the content otherwise.
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F Slasher was quite good sad too see it go
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Well.. This sucks! Tuesday evenings for me consist of 2 things: 1) SC2 Tournaments from Zeek and Playhem 2) Sc2 Report, Slasher, and the rest of the shows.
What will I do tonight? These shows did not bring 100% of the news content out there...but for someone like me who doesn't buy GSL tickets, and who knows nothing about Counter Strike, LOL or Quake..I feel like I need these shows. These shows really kept me up to date on players and events going on around the world(Especially SLASHER).
Why do people NOT like Slasher's show? People want journalists...esports needs journalists. He has a strong point of view and is not afraid to speak it.. He also has a wide amount of knowledge about the Esports scene as a whole. When I first saw Slasher's show I remember laughing and learning about what's going on lately in all areas of gaming. I had the opportunity to speak with Slasher at Barcraft NASL in NYC for a few minutes(and got a picture!!!). Rod is a VERY well spoken man with TONS of potential still building up.
Julie's show and the other one..the guys with a pizza box for an overlay. haha...Julie had some pretty cool interviews...but nothing too special. However, Episode 3 of Julie's show interviewed Errol Spat Oktan(Is that abbreviated?) who works for Spatcave Studios(which is in Little Neck, NY!?!? Didn't know that!). This was a VERY fun episode to watch!! Seeing that there is someone who builds props for both video games and movies in Long Island intrigued me greatly. I'm planning on visiting the studio sometime after the holidays if anyone in NY is interested in tagging along.
I really hope that these shows continue somewhere..
-Tommy-
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so sotg is safe, but seriously "!%&!" Slasher" was awesome, too...
I will miss this show tbh..
everytime an esports-show gets cancelled its bad for the scene, MLG killing ESPORT in 2012?
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good f slasher was bad. he basically jumped on the rts stage even tho hes a fighting game guy
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I got warned for saying Slasher was trash. Sorry about that. But if you have a show called Fuck Slasher, it really shows what type of person you are. A very immature host, I'm glad he isn't further hurting the image of esports directly.
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On December 21 2011 01:33 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too. Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit. I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move: * MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around. * MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen. * MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business. * There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that. It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things.
Well said. I would rather MGL focus on being a lean, mean, event running machine. The man hours and money they were spending on those should could be put into other things. There are tons of things that they need to improve on, starting with that horrible website(sorry Sundance, Love you, but that site is like some horrible nightmare of 2002 web-design gone wrong). Art ,production and player profiles. I could go one forever.
Iphone/Ipad/tablet apps that allow us to download VODs would have me paying $10 every event just for that service. It would be the greatest gift to those of us who do not have unlimited time on the weekend to watch all of MGL. (I know I can stream, but I don't want to pay the data. I would rather give the money directly to MGL, rather than my cell provider).
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Glad state of the game isn't going anywhere, I wasn't expecting it to disband but yeah. I wont miss the affiliation it doesn't matter.
I don't think this is a good move by MLG because I am a perfect example of a starcraft show watcher that wasn't a particular fan of MLG but was starting to warm up to them because of the shows they produced.
It was a really cheap effective way to get thousands of people to see the MLG label everyday.
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Cutting away the useless shows going by the "lean and mean" comment. Though I will miss SC Repor, no one really watched it when it was SC Center either. ~1000 views average. MLG is clearly is just restructuring and determining what to do with next year's budget. Hopefully they implement some of the things mentioned on SOTG. It would be really neat.
On December 21 2011 02:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:33 Lysenko wrote:On December 21 2011 01:17 druggi wrote:
Why is everybody assuming that this kind of show must show immediate profit? Especially through viewership. And if that was the true motivation behind these shows, then putting them up in the first place was a huge mistake. Marketing, branding etc are kinda important too. Without a statement, we're stuck speculating, but the question isn't as simple as if the shows are making a profit. I have no idea which, if any, of these are true, but they're all possible scenarios to explain this move: * MLG may have realized that the best case future performance for these shows would not be good enough to keep them around. * MLG may have realized that making improvements to their tournaments required money or time and effort that they didn't have, and redirecting that from these shows was a way to make that happen. * MLG may have come to the conclusion that key employees were being pulled too many directions by having to deal with the content production business as distinct from the tournament business, and this change might have been intended to let those people perform better at the part that was closer to the core business. * There could have been concerns from outside parties, like sponsors, about whether MLG was sufficiently focused, and this may have been a way of answering that. It's great to say that an organization should be spending money and time on branding and marketing, but it usually pays to be very selective about these things. Well said. I would rather MGL focus on being a lean, mean, event running machine. The man hours and money they were spending on those should could be put into other things. There are tons of things that they need to improve on, starting with that horrible website(sorry Sundance, Love you, but that site is like some horrible nightmare of 2002 web-design gone wrong). Art ,production and player profiles. I could go one forever. Iphone/Ipad/tablet apps that allow us to download VODs would have me paying $10 every event just for that service. It would be the greatest gift to those of us who do not have unlimited time on the weekend to watch all of MGL. (I know I can stream, but I don't want to pay the data. I would rather give the money directly to MGL, rather than my cell provider).
That's a great suggestion. There's a lot of money out there and organizations like MLG aren't really tapping into that. Their membership isn't a very lucrative deal. Crazy how the community alone can send a player to a tournament (MKP). I think they mentioned that on SOTG. Just wanted to echo that sentiment.
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i predict new show or two more focused and prepared like SOTG. Instead of these smaller ones... just an opinion. Seems like classic restructuring to try to get more interest in stuff.
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Honestly, I watched SC2 Report once to see what it was and it didn't do much for me. I just wasn't thrilled about watching someone read TL threads and headlines to me. SOTG on the other hand is enjoyable because of it's cast of high profile casters and players.
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On December 21 2011 03:15 SupLilSon wrote:
Honestly, I watched SC2 Report once to see what it was and it didn't do much for me. I just wasn't thrilled about watching someone read TL threads and headlines to me. SOTG on the other hand is enjoyable because of it's cast of high profile casters and players.
I likes the SC Center, before it was on MGL. But back then it was 6 minutes. Provided me with my SC2 news in 6 minutes on youtube and I will tune in every day. Make me go to the MGL website, I will never tune in.
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Only one of the ones going to close i watched was fuck slasher... and that show was extremely hit or miss for me  some good some atrociously boring and bad, i think MLG is just regearing a bit. SOTG has to stay there's no way i'd be as happy without it^^
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