EPTWhy not swap his spot? Put Naniwa into Up/Down instead of kicking him out of the GSL entirely.
When can Naniwa try for GSL again? He's honestly so good right now, he's better than Idra or Sen and is more deserving of his Code S spot.
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Why not swap his spot? Put Naniwa into Up/Down instead of kicking him out of the GSL entirely. When can Naniwa try for GSL again? He's honestly so good right now, he's better than Idra or Sen and is more deserving of his Code S spot. | ||
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Hammer442
Australia749 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:38 Confuse wrote: Is this true? That's pretty sick if it is. Code S isn't just about prestige, it's also about $. Respect for Jinro, hope he can get there. He was offered code A, not code S. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:38 Confuse wrote: Is this true? That's pretty sick if it is. Code S isn't just about prestige, it's also about $. Respect for Jinro, hope he can get there. Yes, I am a jinro fan and I like listening to his interviews, reading them and I remember him saying it :D | ||
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milesfacade
United Kingdom799 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:38 Fionn wrote: Why Sen? I...don't...get it. Why does Sen get the spot? Yes, he got third at NASL and Blizzcon. Why not, you know, Puma, the guy who WON NASL? Why not a top ranking Korean like Nada or Polt? Why not the guy who was behind Naniwa at Providence in Huk or Haypro? Taiwanese audience. Sadly it's nothing to do with his actual play. | ||
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote: So let me get this straight... If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine. If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league. And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision. Quoted for truth, on a scale of 1 to 10 if this is what actually happened it's beyond stupid. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:29 tribulator wrote: I don't think Nani got kicked out. THe 2 open slots... 1 is Coca. The other is likely SC. He has health issues and may not be able to compete. Edit: Or more tweets are coming out saying he did? WTF. If this is the case I'm not buying another season ticket. Not because I like nani, but because I fucking hate this kinda bullshit Yeah, I was on the fence of buying the yearly ticket but now I'm not going to bother. (It's not just the fact that they kicked out (if that's the case) Naniwa but a lot of small things adding up). For an organization valuing "professionalism" they sure have a weird way of showing it by arbitrarily inviting foreigners and such things. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:37 Fionn wrote: Because Idra and Sen are popular and they're selling season tickets. 'IDRA, HUK, AND SEN IN THE NEW SEASON OF GSL 2012!' will sell. They want new viewers/more money. That's all this is. You're being way too cynical here, shame on you. I've seen your posts a lot, you're better than this. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:34 Jehct wrote: GOM kicking Naniwa might be the worst response to this possible. If his 'offense' wasn't covered in the rules then it's a matter for the team to take up; this makes all parties look unprofessional and hurts the scene even more =/ No way I'll be buying another ticket if it's true. no, what Gom did was the perfect response and I applaud them for taking such action. Starcraft is a professional game and we don't need attitudes and disrespect from people like Naniwa. Just be glad he's not banned for life, as he would if he pulled the same stunt in any Esport in Korea aka sc1 | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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Mangooze
Netherlands301 Posts
Then they decide to just invite more foreigners who did not put in results some other foreigners did do. Feels like GSL is not just about skill after all. Fucking joke. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
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larzurus
23 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote: So let me get this straight... If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine. If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league. And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision. This is exactly how I feel. I can't believe I'm actually legitimately upset over this but I am. Can't wait for Live on 3 tomorrow though for Scoots' take on it though | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:31 OrchidThief wrote: It's unfurtunate that I might have to start boycotting GSL for this crap just as my two favorite zergs get into the tournament. Well in 2012 KeSPA joins the fray so there are more tournaments! Of course the question is whether KeSPA is the lesser of two evils. Honestly if Naniwa did get kicked out I'll be disappointed. It should be a warning first IMO (well unless he agreed and signed to rules that stated it in which case GOMTV can't be fault then...). (Yes I know KeSPA doesn't do "warnings", or at least not in the past, but that doesn't mean GOMTV has to follow route.) On December 14 2011 18:39 iky43210 wrote: no, what Gom did was the perfect response and I applaud them for taking such action. Starcraft is a professional game and we don't need attitudes and disrespect from people like Naniwa. Just be glad he's not banned for life, as he would if he pulled the same stunt in any Esport in Korea aka sc1 What happened in SC1 is completely different. Differences between this and SC1 match fixing: 1. Naniwa's game did not matter at all. There was nothing: no points, no money, no anything to play for. It was just a show match because both were at 3 losses (which means they're both out). In BW they were playing real games with stakes on the line but setting it to be fixed. 2. In this case Naniwa just gave up and probe rush. In BW they faked playing a real game but had the winner setup. 3. Finally in BW's case it was done for illegal gambling sites + obtaining profit from said sites for cooperating with them. In this case it was just a player giving up which is not similar. | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1358 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:38 Fionn wrote: Why Sen? I...don't...get it. Why does Sen get the spot? Yes, he got third at NASL and Blizzcon. Why not, you know, Puma, the guy who WON NASL? Why not a top ranking Korean like Nada or Polt? Why not the guy who was behind Naniwa at Providence in Huk or Haypro? Because it has to do with money and not the actual skill level of the players. The seeds have never gone to any Koreans because Gom wants to sell more season tickets. During NASL, the # of viewers super spiked during Sen's games. Sen is worth more money than Puma in terms of viewers | ||
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MightyDrKiller
Germany82 Posts
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Bulkers
Poland509 Posts
I said almost same thing few months ago when like 5 foreigns were invited to code A, and they all get destroyed in 1st round so I guess there is some justice, and tbh I dont see Idra doing well in code S. About possible Naniwa ban: I think he should be punished, but how big punishment should be I don't know, He needs to learn a lesson, thousand people watching, huge companies sponsoring players and events, its not a place to act like an unmature emotionally unstable badmanner and throw games even if they dont count. Hes already banned from ESL, he should also be banned from MLG since he trashtalk them on stage. Maybe he will learn to to think before act, or as I predicted months ago he will have no team that will want to sign with him, and he will have no big tournaments that will allow him to play. | ||
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:35 Snowen wrote: Totally agree. We need to set up a petition or some kind of community rally to make some noise at least to how ridiculous GOM is acting in this. They have a terrible format with no rules stating probe rush isnt allowed, then ban a player who follows their shitty rules? Unbelievable really. A petion for what? Are you fucking serious? GOM can enforce their rules however they please, give me a break. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:33 Ponchey wrote: I'm not against Idra getting a free code S seed, but if this is actually meaning Naniwa lost his EARNED seed, then GomTV just lost a viewer, like... forever. GOM may lose a lots of Korean viewers and at least one foreigner viewer in me if they dont do anything about naniwa | ||
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