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China6327 Posts
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Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you and tip top Koreans here?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
Q: What are the mistakes?
A: I made a big slump in Set 1, didn't scout his 2nd rax, took quite a long time, thus I had no reaction time against his Bunker rush.
I did think a lot on the 2nd map, but his 3 tank timing push messed up my plans there. I originally took a lot of attention on his drop plays, like a lot of Mutas. But I expect his tech would be slow after that Tank push, so I decided to tech myself and stopped muta production for a while, so when he actually started to drop, I don't have enough mutas to deal with that. And then he had a Planetary in the middle of the map, this makes me harder and harder to turn the tables.
Q: Will the gap between Chinese and Koreans become larger next year?
A: This all the way goes up to the Chinese tournament hosts. The biggest problem between us and foreign pros are the maps, most Chinese tournaments use either old or non-standard maps, they are quite different from the map pool of major foreign events like GSL and MLG, thus make us difficult to play in those events.
I hope the tournaments can catch a bit up on this, it would help us in the foreign tournaments a lot.
Q: Any plans to stay in Korea next year? And opinions on HotS?
A: The team already has plans on playing in Korea. And HotS won't help a lot, because HotS in fact stands for "Heart of the Swarm Breaks".
Q: Any other people want to thank besides your fans?
A: The whole iG team behind me, this could not become true without them.
EDIT: Clean up the first question to avoid further misunderstanding.
+ Show Spoiler [Original] +《电子竞技》杂志：终于在决赛和韩国人交手了，感觉和韩国顶尖选手的差距大吗？
Xigua：其实还好吧。感觉不是很大，主要是自己出了问题。
《电子竞技》杂志：能总结一下所出的问题吗？
Xigua：第一把是我自己有个很大的失误，就是没有第一时间侦查到他第一个兵营，绕了很多路，后来对他的Rush没有反应时间了。第二把的地图其实我想了非常多，但是他的三坦克那一波打乱了我的节奏。因为我本来是在防他空投上做了很多准备，比如我一般都会出24条飞龙放空投。但是当时他三坦克后我判断他科技会慢，我就开始攀科技停了飞龙，当时只有12只。所以当他开始空投时，我没有足够的飞龙吃掉一船兵，节奏慢了，等他中间的行星要塞起来我就太难打了。
《电子竞技》杂志：明年会不会SC2和韩国差距会变大？
Xigua：其实这都要看中国的赛事主办方了。我们选手和国际选手目前差距最大的就是地图的问题，我们国内比赛的地图要么很老，要么自己做，和国际上的地图尤其是GSL、MLG很难接轨，所以我们很难打。我就是希望主办方能够多考虑一些这方面问题，尽量和国际上保持同步，这样我们在未来也会在国际赛事上有所表现。
《电子竞技》杂志：明年有没有计划来韩国留学？另外对虫族之心怎么看？
Xigua：俱乐部已经有计划来韩国打比赛。另外我觉得虫族之心后虫还会继续悲剧，因为虫族之心没有翻译完，应该是“虫族之心碎了”。
《电子竞技》杂志：除了Fans有没有特别想感谢的人？
Xigua：感谢我背后的iG团队吧，没有他们的支持我很难走到这一步。
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On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting.
Edit:
+ Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level.
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thanks for the translation!
i do think there was quite an apparent gulf in skill. though it might just be big game nerves on xigua's part
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The Chinese always have great potential, too bad it wasn't a bo5 or 7 to fully showcase his talent.
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Lol, not so big between him and MVP eh? More deluded than I expected.
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Thank you for giving us this translation. I am surprised that the Chinese tournament scene is so far behind map-wise. Also, I think that if iG trained in Korea they could become an elite team.
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he said he made a lot of mistakes that's he shoulldn't have, therefore he meant that if there were no mistakes, it would have been a lot closer. Well, pretty much anyone can say this :/
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On December 12 2011 00:04 brachester wrote:
he said he made a lot of mistakes that's he shoulldn't have, therefore he meant that if there were no mistakes, it would have been a lot closer. Well, pretty much anyone can say this :/
Lol exactly, that's the biggest difference between players like this and the MVP's, Nestea's.
They don't make those mistakes, that's why they are better.
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Yeah the finals were pretty one-sided and then saying that there's not a big skill difference is just BS...
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My first thought when reading the gap comment was that how do you know if even if you played your own game flawless that you'd still come close to MVP's own limit? If you don't force MVP to go past second or third gear, how do you know what 4th or 5th looks like?
But i like his optimism, so good luck to him!
Real shame about the maps. That's just... that's really unfortunate. Maps are a really big deal 
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What i found interesting is his reaction to the bunker rush. Most Diamond level zergs on EU immediatly throw up 2 more spince crawlers behind the expo instead of throwing away all their units.
That defintily showed a skill gap, meaning i don't think he has practiced against that specific rush a lot, even if it is one of the most common ones.
On Metal tbh he made one big mistake in the midgame (not doing anything with his mutas) which snowballed into an impossible situation. Even if he had stopped all nukes the Terran position was simply too strong.
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Yeah guys, it's easy to bash him from TL behind a computer screen.
What do you want to him say, "Yeah the skill gap is massive, I'm absolutely awful compared to him?"
Come on... he's boosting his own self esteem and admitting he made a ton of mistakes. That's why MVP is the best player in the world, sometimes he can wow you with genius micro, or he can just outplay you in macro, but most of the time the reason he wins is he simply doesn't make mistakes. Or he makes drastically less than you, and at the pro level that's what it comes down to. They can all macro well, some more than others, and they all have good micro, some more than others. What separates MVP, Nestea (not much as of late, but still) and such from the rest is that lack of mistakes.
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No credit to MVP? MVP absolutely slammed him
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Well played by Xigua. Im happy for him he finaly posted some good result after the IEM china disaster.
Gonna pay abit more attention to him in the future
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skill level is not very close. im not even going to comment on the 2nd game because everyone knows he made so many bad mistakes. but the first game, why would u not block bunker placement with drones......,.
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On December 12 2011 00:16 Tula wrote:
What i found interesting is his reaction to the bunker rush. Most Diamond level zergs on EU immediatly throw up 2 more spince crawlers behind the expo instead of throwing away all their units.
That defintily showed a skill gap, meaning i don't think he has practiced against that specific rush a lot, even if it is one of the most common ones.
edit: nvm -_-
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Hoping XiGua can prove himself more in the future. It's almost trash talk to say the skill gap is not that big at this point :x
Also, I don't understand the HotS comment. Is he basically saying the expansion is going to break the game? I admit I am not thrilled with some of the units either... we'll see I guess.
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On December 12 2011 00:47 Confuse wrote:
Hoping XiGua can prove himself more in the future. It's almost trash talk to say the skill gap is not that big at this point :x
Also, I don't understand the HotS comment. Is he basically saying the expansion is going to break the game? I admit I am not thrilled with some of the units either... we'll see I guess.
He is saying that it will break the heart of the SWARM. As in Zergs and Zerg fans.
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People thinking that the skill gap argument (edit: doesn't) makes sense forget that there is an equally large skillgap between MVP and everyone else in the world, korean, chinese, dutch, whatever. MVP made Nestea look bad, and there is a huge skillgap between Nestea and everyone else in the world not named MVP.
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On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: Will the gap between Chinese and Koreans become larger next year?
A: This all the way goes up to the Chinese tournament hosts. The biggest problem between us and foreign pros are the maps, most Chinese tournaments use either old or non-standard maps, they are quite different from the map pool of major foreign events like GSL and MLG, thus make us difficult to play in those events.
I hope the tournaments can catch a bit up on this, it would help us in the foreign tournaments a lot.
Does anybody know which maps are used there? "Old maps" = blizzard ladder maps I presume, but do they use community made as well?
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He got a lucky bracket to begin with.
Kas run was way more impressive
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Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
It was not that big if he was referring to the overall gap between korean and chinese players, but between him and MVP it was just huuuuge.
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Good fight Xigua! Thanks for the interview!
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The entire chinese scene is behind, because it was released much later in the region, all the builds, strategy, maps, and overall player skill are lower than the foreign scene becuase of this.
Xigua has probably played SC2 before the release in China, for sure.. and i doubt he plays on the Chinese server as the ladder there is horrible practice.
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On December 12 2011 01:27 Toppp wrote:
Xigua has probably played SC2 before the release in China, for sure.. and i doubt he plays on the Chinese server as the ladder there is horrible practice.
Why is that? Never heard something about the chinese ladder. Just curious.
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China6327 Posts
To be short, the skill level of Chinese ladder is very low.
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On December 12 2011 00:33 aintz wrote:
skill level is not very close. im not even going to comment on the 2nd game because everyone knows he made so many bad mistakes. but the first game, why would u not block bunker placement with drones......,.
Wow fuck off. If the skill gap is not even close, then everyone xigua beat must suck a lot then right?
User was warned for this post
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Xigua should come to korea and compete in the GSL since the skill gap is "not that big"!
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HotS stands for Heart of the Swarm breaks. I like the way he put it
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Someone should really color correct that picture...
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Don't know why people are angry over his statement about the skill gap. If he feels it's not that big then he obviously believes he can get close to it or even overcome it. People need to stop romanticizing MVP. People are so quick to lash out his wins but tend to forget his losses or make excuses for them. Fact is he lost to a foreigner in Naniwa at MLG, then to MC and Leenock, then to Leenock again in GSL. Though the latter are koreans, those same koreans have lost to foreigners as well.
While he got outplayed so bad, he certainly has the capability of improving enough to be able to take a game off koreans. Only a handful of people really has the "talent" of sc2 (and race has no bearing on that). Rest of it is just practice so I don't see why hard work can't put anyone to the level of korean pros.
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Nice interview and hope seeing him in GSL or elsewhere 
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the interviewer asked a dumbass question, "do you think top koreans are much better," not pointing specifically at mvp.
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United States7481 Posts
haha heartbreak of the swarm, i love it
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On December 12 2011 00:55 dinmsab wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
It was not that big if he was referring to the overall gap between korean and chinese players, but between him and MVP it was just huuuuge.
Yup, there's actually a massive mistranslation of actual words.
《电子竞技》杂志：终于在决赛和韩国人交手了，感觉和韩国顶尖选手的差距大吗？
Xigua：其实还好吧。感觉不是很大，主要是自己出了问题。
That actually refers to top Korean players, it doesn't point at mvp specifically.
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Chinese nationalism :/ lol. "Not that big" is just being silly and makes it hard to take the guy seriously. Its cool to see that iG might try to train in Korea. But wtf, using old maps? Poor chinese scene :/
On December 12 2011 01:30 Sanz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 01:27 Toppp wrote:
Xigua has probably played SC2 before the release in China, for sure.. and i doubt he plays on the Chinese server as the ladder there is horrible practice. Why is that? Never heard something about the chinese ladder. Just curious.
Professionals such as Elfi have commented on the Chinese ladder being by far the worst ladder. Elfi said that he played a whole day and never lost a single game.
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China6327 Posts
On December 12 2011 02:43 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 00:55 dinmsab wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
It was not that big if he was referring to the overall gap between korean and chinese players, but between him and MVP it was just huuuuge.
Yup, there's actually a massive mistranslation of actual words. 《电子竞技》杂志：终于在决赛和韩国人交手了，感觉和 韩国顶尖选手的差距大吗？ Xigua：其实还好吧。感觉不是很大，主要是自己出了问题。 That actually refers to top Korean players, it doesn't point at mvp specifically.
Yeah I made a big slump here, thx for pointing it out.
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It doesn't matter anyway, he should just say the gap is very big and he played like a noob against MVP.
And yeah, HotS for Heartbreak of the Swarm, lol.
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United States369 Posts
I can't dislike a guy who calls himself XiGua. Also, "Heart of the Swarm Breaks", lmfao nice.
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On December 11 2011 23:58 kruzzz wrote:
The Chinese always have great potential, too bad it wasn't a bo5 or 7 to fully showcase his talent.
couldn't agree more...how stupid to have a finals be a best of three only.
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On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level.
Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners.
Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment.
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On December 12 2011 02:15 digmouse wrote:
To be short, the skill level of Chinese ladder is very low.
the chinese pros dont play on the chinese ladder, MacSed, Xigua, LoveTT etc. all play on the korean ladder. Xigua and MacSed are GM's also.
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On December 12 2011 03:32 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level. Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners. Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment.
agreed,normally WCG SCBW's top 3 korean and which foreigner will get 4th lol.
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On December 12 2011 03:32 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level. Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners. Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment.
Because it was mistranslated and it sounded like he was saying that there was only a small gap in between him and MVP when there was clearly a large gap in skill. And nobody ever said they had a super gene, they just have insane dedication.
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On December 12 2011 00:55 Elean wrote:
He got a lucky bracket to begin with.
Kas run was way more impressive
Xigua and Kas are in the same group and Xigua beat him. But I know it doesn't matter to you because you are biased.
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what does that mean? heart of the swarm breaks?
Also yes what kinds of maps do they use? Old or do they have their own chinese map community?
Also, yay chinese team staying in korea, cool
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I feel like Mvp is not getting enough credit for what he deserves, mainly because he plays terran. In almost every tournament (GSL and MLG), there is always fewer people cheering on for Mvp. For this WCG, I feel like people cheered him on mainly b/c he is Korean (cheering for the Korean).
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On December 12 2011 04:06 Sankanyo wrote:
I feel like Mvp is not getting enough credit for what he deserves, mainly because he plays terran. In almost every tournament (GSL and MLG), there is always fewer people cheering on for Mvp. For this WCG, I feel like people cheered him on mainly b/c he is Korean (cheering for the Korean).
I think it's the same with Flash, when you have such a solid, good player, with few flaws, you only know him as "good" rather than something more like "that guy can be super aggressive and go all-in" like July or like "that guy is not so good with dealing with cheese but he is so good once he gets into the lategame" like Idra
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Q: Any plans to stay in Korea next year? And opinions on HotS?
A: The team already has plans on playing in Korea. And HotS won't help a lot, because HotS in fact stands for "Heart of the Swarm Breaks".
Am I the only one who noticed this? More foreigners in Korea!
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hmmm, he looks sick in the photo.... really yellow skin, jaundice?
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Well, he did make the finals after demolishing Titan and going undefeated, didn't even make it look close. He's also rank 3 GM on korean ladder, and yet people are calling Stephano a god foreigner for making it top 20. He definitely fell apart against MVP, but that's MVP. However, he should stop making excuses about maps and start practicing them himself or at least go out to more tournaments outside of china. Staying isolated will only make you fall behind, and none of the top players mass ladder practice for a reason.
Overall, the chinese players are still behind, but it IS a bit unfair that you're comparing just one country to everyone else unless you're korea.
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On December 12 2011 04:06 Sankanyo wrote:
I feel like Mvp is not getting enough credit for what he deserves, mainly because he plays terran. In almost every tournament (GSL and MLG), there is always fewer people cheering on for Mvp. For this WCG, I feel like people cheered him on mainly b/c he is Korean (cheering for the Korean).
That's just how things are. When Terran has the best overall winrate in Korea and Internationally after a year's time (check the November TLPD Race winrate graphs topic for proof) it's a bit less impressive to most people when the most dominant player happens to be Terran. There's also a tendency for people to root for the underdog, and since MVP is considered the best player in the world right now, that tendency dictates that less people will cheer for him.
Edit: Before I get jumped on for the first part of that paragraph, I'd like to clarify that I'm just theorizing about why MVP perhaps isn't being given enough credit and that the theory isn't necessarily a reflection of my personal views.
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Guy's good but as shown, not close to Mvp's level.
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On December 12 2011 09:47 Leifish wrote:
Guy's good but as shown, not close to Mvp's level.
There are only a handful of players in the world close to Mvp's level, so that doesn't say much. :D
Generally, there's not that big of a difference between the KR/EU/CN/NA players, especially compared to BW. That's what this tournament showed.
Darkforce beat MKP, Kas beat MKP Titan beat Supernova, Xigua beat Titan and Snute, Bling and Macsed each took a game off Mvp, who took the tournament over Xigua.
Representatives of every server had wins over every other server, no server completely dominated (with 2 EU, 1 CN and 1 KR player in the semis).
The difference is not big.
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I don't get why people are bitching over Xigua's so called "easy" run. Yes it was easier than so and so's run but you can't get to finals of the WCG on an "easy" run.
Besides, Nestea had realatively easy runs multiple times but no one said anything.
Lol when people compare foreigners to koreans "the skill gap isn't that big, top foreigners can take games off of any top koreans"
Then when a chinese player who went undefeated besides the finals says the same thing, its all like "Koreans are on a whole different level, its not even close."
I hate you team liquid.
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On December 12 2011 03:50 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:32 -stOpSKY- wrote:On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level. Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners. Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment. agreed,normally WCG SCBW's top 3 korean and which foreigner will get 4th lol.
Yeah and they only get top 3 by manipulating the bracket. Like when Stork kept losing on purpose and forced a bazillion rematches.
I'm kind of disappointed in XiGua, although this is a lot better than his IEM China showing (0-3 [1-6] last place in his group). After all the hype hes gotten so far, I expected better. Especially if you're going to try to downplay your losses to MVP like that when he absolutely thrashed you. Give respect where respect is deserved.
I'm still really curious about Chinese players. While Korean and Foreign players have had their play showcased on the world stage (MLG, GSL, IEM), Chinese players still remain an anomaly.
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On December 12 2011 09:23 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 04:06 Sankanyo wrote:
I feel like Mvp is not getting enough credit for what he deserves, mainly because he plays terran. In almost every tournament (GSL and MLG), there is always fewer people cheering on for Mvp. For this WCG, I feel like people cheered him on mainly b/c he is Korean (cheering for the Korean).
That's just how things are. When Terran has the best overall winrate in Korea and Internationally after a year's time (check the November TLPD Race winrate graphs topic for proof) it's a bit less impressive to most people when the most dominant player happens to be Terran. There's also a tendency for people to root for the underdog, and since MVP is considered the best player in the world right now, that tendency dictates that less people will cheer for him. Edit: Before I get jumped on for the first part of that paragraph, I'd like to clarify that I'm just theorizing about why MVP perhaps isn't being given enough credit and that the theory isn't necessarily a reflection of my personal views.
I think MVP is being given plenty of credit. Just look at all the silly bonjwa talk every time MVP wins a tournament. From my observation far fewer people question MVP's legitimacy as the #1 player in the world than they did for MC (4/6 gate all-inner) or Nestea (weak opponents and dodged top terrans in his GSL runs).
What MVP has in respect he lacks in fandom. Part of it is what you mentioned about people tending to root for underdogs. It also doesn't help that MVP isn't a very demonstrative person. I mean our community deifies the top gosus so much we cling onto any personality quirks they show and run with it like Jaedong's death glare or Flash's eye twitch/pocari sweat. MVP doesn't have anything like that, except maybe his game face O: Then there's the whole Elephant in the Room stuff. I think more people would root for MVP if he wasn't the epitome of the BW hegemony over SC2.
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On December 12 2011 00:48 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 00:47 Confuse wrote:
Also, I don't understand the HotS comment. Is he basically saying the expansion is going to break the game? I admit I am not thrilled with some of the units either... we'll see I guess. He is saying that it will break the heart of the SWARM. As in Zergs and Zerg fans.
My Chinese isn't the best, but I read that clearly as "the Heart of the Swarm has broken". I don't know how it became "break the heart".
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On December 12 2011 10:11 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:50 MuK_x wrote:On December 12 2011 03:32 -stOpSKY- wrote:On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level. Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners. Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment. agreed,normally WCG SCBW's top 3 korean and which foreigner will get 4th lol. Yeah and they only get top 3 by manipulating the bracket. Like when Stork kept losing on purpose and forced a bazillion rematches. I'm kind of disappointed in XiGua, although this is a lot better than his IEM China showing (0-3 [1-6] last place in his group). After all the hype hes gotten so far, I expected better. Especially if you're going to try to downplay your losses to MVP like that when he absolutely thrashed you. Give respect where respect is deserved. I'm still really curious about Chinese players. While Korean and Foreign players have had their play showcased on the world stage (MLG, GSL, IEM), Chinese players still remain an anomaly.
What hype? Xigua has gotten next to no hype. Tasteless even called him an "unknown" player on stage while casting.
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On December 12 2011 10:23 Lewan72 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:11 bokchoi wrote:On December 12 2011 03:50 MuK_x wrote:On December 12 2011 03:32 -stOpSKY- wrote:On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level. Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners. Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment. agreed,normally WCG SCBW's top 3 korean and which foreigner will get 4th lol. Yeah and they only get top 3 by manipulating the bracket. Like when Stork kept losing on purpose and forced a bazillion rematches. I'm kind of disappointed in XiGua, although this is a lot better than his IEM China showing (0-3 [1-6] last place in his group). After all the hype hes gotten so far, I expected better. Especially if you're going to try to downplay your losses to MVP like that when he absolutely thrashed you. Give respect where respect is deserved. I'm still really curious about Chinese players. While Korean and Foreign players have had their play showcased on the world stage (MLG, GSL, IEM), Chinese players still remain an anomaly. What hype? Xigua has gotten next to no hype. Tasteless even called him an "unknown" player on stage while casting.
Tasteless also called DRG, DRUG for the longest time. If you've been reading TL, and/or looking at comments from people who have played on the Chinese server they've often said they are on the levels of the Koreans and that players like XiGua are a level above the other Chinese players.
EDIT: A lot of it calmed down/died out after his abysmal IEM China showing though.
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On December 12 2011 00:10 MasterKush wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 00:04 brachester wrote:
he said he made a lot of mistakes that's he shoulldn't have, therefore he meant that if there were no mistakes, it would have been a lot closer. Well, pretty much anyone can say this :/ Lol exactly, that's the biggest difference between players like this and the MVP's, Nestea's. They don't make those mistakes, that's why they are better.
Couldn't have said it any better
But regardless, he placed second, congratulations are given where they are deserved
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On December 12 2011 10:17 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 00:48 redviper wrote:On December 12 2011 00:47 Confuse wrote:
Also, I don't understand the HotS comment. Is he basically saying the expansion is going to break the game? I admit I am not thrilled with some of the units either... we'll see I guess. He is saying that it will break the heart of the SWARM. As in Zergs and Zerg fans. My Chinese isn't the best, but I read that clearly as "the Heart of the Swarm has broken". I don't know how it became "break the heart".
It's a pun. Works better in Chinese :3
Heartbreak of the Swarm is probably the best way to translate it to English.
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On December 12 2011 02:48 Mohdoo wrote:
Professionals such as Elfi have commented on the Chinese ladder being by far the worst ladder. Elfi said that he played a whole day and never lost a single game.
Don't forget China got SC2 only this year in June so everyone else has had a whole year on them. Elfi talking trash but then all 3 Chinese make it out of their groups and he doesn't, priceless.
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IG IN GSTL???? make it happen gom! Considering gsl is broadcast in China this could be a clevermove to get more fans and viewers in both countries
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Xigua practice very hard,just because of this ,we should respect
even though this time fall,i think next time you can stand
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On December 12 2011 10:56 T0fuuu wrote:
IG IN GSTL???? make it happen gom! Considering gsl is broadcast in China this could be a clevermove to get more fans and viewers in both countries
Didn't the new plan for the GSTL "encourage foreign team participation" I'd love to see iG come over
EDIT: Only issue is they have Xigua, Macsed, XY, and Comm which IIRC isn't enough players for GSTL. Unless XiaOt decided he's ready to kick more ass
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Chinese balance whining is so far behind the foreigner scene haha
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Xigua：其实还好吧。感觉不是很大，主要是自己出了问题。
I can speak good Mandarin and I would say the direct English translation makes Xigua sounds a little... arrogant?
"吧" this word already includes doubt in Xigua's statement. Therefore I would translate it as:
"Actually I guess it was still okay, doesn't feel too big. The main problem lies with myself."
I know my translation is definitely not the best, but I do think it is more accurate than the original. He does not straight up thinks he did fine and the skill gap isn't that huge, he knows he did terribly and could have been better, that's why he feel the skill gap isn't too huge (I'm not saying he does not think that there is a skill gap). Well, guess it's just my own interpretation, do correct me if anyone out there(who is familiar with Mandarin) has objections.
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On December 12 2011 12:12 Xenorawks wrote:I can speak good Mandarin and I would say the direct English translation makes Xigua sounds a little... arrogant? "吧" this word already includes doubt in Xigua's statement. Therefore I would translate it as: "Actually I guess it was still okay, doesn't feel too big. The main problem lies with myself." I know my translation is definitely not the best, but I do think it is more accurate than the original. He does not straight up thinks he did fine and the skill gap isn't that huge, he knows he did terribly and could have been better, that's why he feel the skill gap isn't too huge (I'm not saying he does not think that there is a skill gap). Well, guess it's just my own interpretation, do correct me if anyone out there(who is familiar with Mandarin) has objections.
I'm a native mandarin speaker and I think your version of translation is as accurate as possible.
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On December 12 2011 03:52 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:32 -stOpSKY- wrote:On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level. Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners. Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment. Because it was mistranslated and it sounded like he was saying that there was only a small gap in between him and MVP when there was clearly a large gap in skill. And nobody ever said they had a super gene, they just have insane dedication.
Not really, Xigua looked really shaken (especially after the first set) and played poorly in comparison to what he normally does. I'm pretty sure in a bo7 he would take at least 1-2 games off MVP and it'd be relatively close. Obviously there is a skill gap, but it's nowhere near as big as most people are making it sound.
Honestly I'd say Xigua's vP is as good (or almost as good) as any Zerg's, his vT is kind of lacking though.
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On December 12 2011 03:52 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:32 -stOpSKY- wrote:On December 11 2011 23:56 Weedk wrote:On December 11 2011 23:53 digmouse wrote:
Q: You finally played against a Korean player in the Finals, how do you feel about the skill gap between you?
A: It was fine actually, not that big, I made too many mistakes there.
This statement alone is going to cause a lot of discussion, I'm betting. Edit: + Show Spoiler +More like shitstorm. I honestly don't think he's that close to MVP's level. Why would it cause a lot of discussion? The skill gap is no where close to BW and it is very close in terms of koreans vs foreigners. Its not like koreans have some sort of magical genetic super gene for playing SC or any other game, they just have an incredible work ethic and practice very hard in a better environment. Because it was mistranslated and it sounded like he was saying that there was only a small gap in between him and MVP when there was clearly a large gap in skill. And nobody ever said they had a super gene, they just have insane dedication.
there's no mistranslation. a more literal translation of what he said would be: "actually it was okay. my feeling [was that the skill gap] wasn't that big, the main thing was i made a lot of mistakes."
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"Do you have any closing remarks for your fans?
May be my name isn’t familiar to you now, that’s ok. But you will remember me soon. I will keep fight until I become 30 when I can’t play it anymore. Thank you for your support."
That's the weirdest response to that question I've ever seen
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"Heartbreak of the Swarm" is a better translation. Its a wordplay to say how much he dislikes the new expansion.
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《电子竞技》杂志：明年有没有计划来韩国留学？另外对虫族之心怎么看？
Xigua：俱乐部已经有计划来韩国打比赛。另外我觉得虫族之心后虫还会继续悲剧，因为虫族之心没有翻译完，应该是“虫族之心碎了”。
I will do a bit translation on this part.
Magazine: Any plans participating in Korean tournaments in 2012? Also feeling of HOTS?
Xigua: The team has the plan to Korea. I think zerg will continue to suffer in HOTS, 'heart of the swarm' is not complete, it should be 'heart of the swarm is broken'.
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With all due respect, OP, it was a spotty translation, you missed out on a lot of the tone of the original and quite a lot of the details of his answers.
+ Show Spoiler +《电子竞技》杂志：能总结一下所出的问题吗？ Xigua：第一把是我自己有个很大的失误，就是没有第一时间侦查到他第一个兵营，绕了很多路，后来对他的Rush没有反应时间了。第二把的地图其实我想了非常多，但是他的三坦克那一波打乱了我的节奏。因为我本来是在防他空投上做了很多准备，比如我一般都会出24条飞龙放空投。但是当时他三坦克后我判断他科技会慢，我就开始攀科技停了飞龙，当时只有12只。所以当他开始空投时，我没有足够的飞龙吃掉一船兵，节奏慢了，等他中间的行星要塞起来我就太难打了。
Xigua: I made a big mistake in Game 1, not scouting his first Barracks immediately, took the long way around, and didn't have time to react to his rush. I had thought a lot about the Game 2 map, but his 3 Tank push disrupted my rhythm. Because I was preparing a lot for his drops, for example, I usually make 24 Mutas to deny drops. But after his 3 Tank push I thought his tech would be slow so I delayed Mutas for tech, and only had 12. So I didn't have enough Mutas to take on a drop, which slowed my rhythm and the game became much too difficult after his Planetary Fortress was completed in the center.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing him in Korea.
BTW Chinese tournaments maps:
G-League:
Dual Sight
Crossfire
Tal'Darim Altar LE
Shakuras Plateau
Antiga Shipyard
Abyssal Caverns
Tarsonis Evac Point
PSTL:
Antiga Shipyard
Dual Sight
Tal'Darim Altar
Metalopolis
Shattered Temple
Crevasse
Terminus
Quite a lot of GSL/MLG maps absent, and quite a lot of old, no-longer-used maps.
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On December 12 2011 13:33 Vul wrote:
"Do you have any closing remarks for your fans?
May be my name isn’t familiar to you now, that’s ok. But you will remember me soon. I will keep fight until I become 30 when I can’t play it anymore. Thank you for your support."
That's the weirdest response to that question I've ever seen
He will be the next PJ for zergs
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i think he means not huge gap between China and Korea "Top players" in SC2. coz MVP is not "TOP player", he is "god player".Even other korean like nestea have no idea against with MVP.
but i think Xigua has a lot distance between Nestea too, he playing like a child to MVP.
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XiGua is a total badass, didn't know he was a imba qq'er lol!
So glad to see him do so well at WCG.
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On December 12 2011 15:28 Diamond wrote:
XiGua is a total badass, didn't know he was a imba qq'er lol!
So glad to see him do so well at WCG.
Imba qq'ing is accepted in China, somehow. But then again racism/sexism/ageism is also more or less common and not a big deal in China, so...
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SAY TIMBA is a pop lifestyle in Chinese fourm
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On December 12 2011 10:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 10:17 RavenLoud wrote:On December 12 2011 00:48 redviper wrote:On December 12 2011 00:47 Confuse wrote:
Also, I don't understand the HotS comment. Is he basically saying the expansion is going to break the game? I admit I am not thrilled with some of the units either... we'll see I guess. He is saying that it will break the heart of the SWARM. As in Zergs and Zerg fans. My Chinese isn't the best, but I read that clearly as "the Heart of the Swarm has broken". I don't know how it became "break the heart". It's a pun. Works better in Chinese :3 Heartbreak of the Swarm is probably the best way to translate it to English.
Exactly! I was cringing a little bit over that translation
TL shitstorm is to be expected for this kid.
On December 12 2011 15:45 Mobius_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 15:28 Diamond wrote:
XiGua is a total badass, didn't know he was a imba qq'er lol!
So glad to see him do so well at WCG. Imba qq'ing is accepted in China, somehow. But then again racism/sexism/ageism is also more or less common and not a big deal in China, so...
Um...the second part is true but irrelevant to discussion. Imba qq'ing is indeed common, but I doubt they really mean that, like Sky in his peak would qq about everything and then just pull his tower rush out in tourneys, lol.
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On December 12 2011 12:12 Xenorawks wrote:I can speak good Mandarin and I would say the direct English translation makes Xigua sounds a little... arrogant? "吧" this word already includes doubt in Xigua's statement. Therefore I would translate it as: "Actually I guess it was still okay, doesn't feel too big. The main problem lies with myself." I know my translation is definitely not the best, but I do think it is more accurate than the original. He does not straight up thinks he did fine and the skill gap isn't that huge, he knows he did terribly and could have been better, that's why he feel the skill gap isn't too huge (I'm not saying he does not think that there is a skill gap). Well, guess it's just my own interpretation, do correct me if anyone out there(who is familiar with Mandarin) has objections.
The mistranslation was in the question, not in the answer. It doesn't seem arrogant at all. He's simply implying that he can hang about with top KR players, he didn't say he could do so with MVP specifically.
And "吧" doesn't imply doubt, it's a pretty common way to end a sentence.
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i washoping he would do "better" in the finals. considering how he went to the finals with a clean record to have that reversed on him. o well he did well to represent zerg and the chinese
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