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On December 10 2011 09:33 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:10 m3rciless wrote: AHahahaha complexity so stupid. Who the fuck cares if catz hits 5k? NaNi fighting! Yeah let's just piss on teams for no good reason because it's the fucking internet and we don't have to use our brains
No, lets piss on the people who voice their opinions on the actual topic.
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On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote: Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.
he beat nestea, mvp, and huk, does a good finals against leenock since even huk (code s player) got 0-2
do you know what you talking about?
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as a naniwa fanboy i had a massive grin on my face after watching this :D
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On December 10 2011 09:38 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:35 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:33 Eee wrote:On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote: Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky. LOL! The majority of huks games at mlg Orlando where pvp? You don't even have a clue lol... There's no shame in losing to DRG, he's a code-s player. He hasn't won a PvP since Orlando... As far as I'm aware he has only played on pvp between Orlando and Providence and that's versus elfi at Asus RoG. Your statement is still pretty stupid to me.
I didn't say between those two, I said since Orlando. He has lost to elfi, Naniwa, Seiplo and HasuObs. I'm saying he hasn't been doing well in PvP since Orlando. That can't be argued against.
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Who gives a fuck about how much traveling schedules impact players and who's best? Can we discuss the actual topic please?
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On December 10 2011 09:39 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote: Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. he beat nestea, mvp, and huk, does a good finals against leenock since even huk (code s player) got 0-2 do you know what you talking about?
Nothing in your post contradicted his.
MVP was in the GI only. How is losing 4-1 a good finals. He did the exact same build every game, and got destroyed for it. Please know what you're talking about.
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On December 10 2011 09:35 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:32 Dexington wrote: Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.
Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games. 'Ahh ok, So its only Huk among all the worlds players that travels so much? got it. You know how silly you sound?
he is the one travelling the most
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Finally some non-Swedish people that can agree on some of my points.
I'm done arguing with nationalists.
PS, I'm not a Huk fan, just using him as an example.
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On December 10 2011 09:32 Dexington wrote: Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.
Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games.
On December 10 2011 09:28 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:25 mapthesoul wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote: Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you kidding me? He beat both MVP and Nestea (twice) at MLG + DRG and Huk. I'm not talking about the global invitational. Nestea also lost a game to Idra, Kiwikaki and two to Haypro. He clearly was not playing anywhere near his best. And the last time Huk won a PvP in a best of x was in Orlando. That's a long time ago. Why are you willing to apply the idea that players can't be judged in their entirety based on results in a select few series to nestea and huk, but not naniwa?
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote: Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
If you don't see how your logic is pure nonsense, then I'm actually sorry for you.
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On December 10 2011 09:10 m3rciless wrote: AHahahaha complexity so stupid. Who the fuck cares if catz hits 5k? NaNi fighting!
I seriously doubt they ever said that too him. It seemed like that was just an arbitrary example based on his impressions of the organization. Keep in mind there is probably a lot of personal bias in that statement. I'm sure there was probably a lot of pressure to stream though.
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Hmm, complexity obviously disagrees with what Naniwa said. Not that I care though, I'm really tired of these dramas.
If complexity thinks there was a problem with Naniwa's behavior, they could say it straight up instead of hinting it here and there.
If they don't want to look back by talking about their former players that way, then they could have chosen to say nothing. It's not like that's bad PR for them, we all know a lot about Naniwa's personality, he will probably still get much more shit even if complexity chose to stay silent, and non would really blame them for not wanting to deal with Naniwa.
This time Naniwa really didn't say anything negative about complexity, but complexity owners used a very aggressive tone talking about him, yet still tried to reveal nothing.
This is just really annoying for someone who just wants to enjoy the games.
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On December 10 2011 09:41 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:39 Akhee wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote: Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. he beat nestea, mvp, and huk, does a good finals against leenock since even huk (code s player) got 0-2 do you know what you talking about? Nothing in your post contradicted his. MVP was in the GI only. How is losing 4-1 a good finals. He did the exact same build every game, and got destroyed for it. Please know what you're talking about.
whats the difference between winning in a tournament or another? he beat them in the same weekend, you are trying to make an awesome player seem bad, and he's not, also the finals were very close all the games
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it's Huk's choice to travel around so much and get less practice. SaSe chose not to participate in the last MLG to ease his schedule.
Anyhow, GL to naNiwa! He and SaSe = Best foreign protosses!!!!!
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Given all of his past behavior people still point to this event as if it was an isolated incident that can be explained away by the OTHER party's bad BM. how long is that going to last until people realize he's an incredibly talented douche as opposed to just incredibly talented.
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Why are you discussing MLG results in this thread? Thx for derailing everything, Dexington. Naniwa is clearly a foreigner star. That's why he gets all of this attention.
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On December 10 2011 09:05 careohx wrote: Naniwa is definitely one of my favorite players. He has the attitude of a champion. I dont care whether he is socially akward or not, he has the drive to be the best and thats all that matters to me.
I totally agree, I like his attitude mindset a lot.
But I mean...you can still try to have a little bit of fun in interviews and give more than 2 word answers. Troll or whatever, idc just do something else than make it awkward for the interviewers and the viewers. It's not actually that hard, you can go korean style and say 'My opponent is really good but I worked hard so I think I can win' or go troll/confident mode and say 'If it's not a 4-0, he got lucky *laugh.*' Great, GREAT player and I think it's important to stay focused on the game and not do stuff like coaching if you really want to be at the top, but in the middle of the tournament, you're doing an interview ANYWAY so TINY little effort would be awesome.
That's my only criticism. I cheer for him always anyway. If he doesn't want to be bothered, too bad, I think he could easily gain a lot more fans which would boost his motivation no doubt.
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On December 10 2011 09:41 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:38 Eee wrote:On December 10 2011 09:35 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:33 Eee wrote:On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote: Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky. LOL! The majority of huks games at mlg Orlando where pvp? You don't even have a clue lol... There's no shame in losing to DRG, he's a code-s player. He hasn't won a PvP since Orlando... As far as I'm aware he has only played on pvp between Orlando and Providence and that's versus elfi at Asus RoG. Your statement is still pretty stupid to me. I didn't say between those two, I said since Orlando. He has lost to elfi, Naniwa, Seiplo and HasuObs. I'm saying he hasn't been doing well in PvP since Orlando. That can't be argued against. Besides seiplo all of them are top tier players? Doesn't really say anything about him playing bad pvp since then. He beat hero at providence and going 2-3 against hasuobs isn't really a big deal.
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Smart move by Naniwa, having a fellow foreigner of the same race around your skill level while in a pro house will really help you out skill wise, being in the startale house will give naniwa better practice, and his mental condition will stay healthy now that he has another swede to socialize with. All these points are strong enough reasons to break with complexity and I'm sure it will show in his play come code S.
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Seems like there's zero fault here and everyone is better off. Hooray!
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This explains alot, and it really is a quite different story then what was said by other sources.
Naniwa's explanation seems reasonable, Gl in the future Nani!
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