• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:27
CEST 01:27
KST 08:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China1Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL63Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?13FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16
StarCraft 2
General
Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? PiG Sty Festival #5: Playoffs Preview + Groups Recap
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
SC uni coach streams logging into betting site Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion Practice Partners (Official)
Tourneys
[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 564 users

NaNiwa speaks out on CompLexity / Quantic move - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
760 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
December 10 2011 00:19 GMT
#21
cleared out some stuff, good interview much <3 for nani and upclosegamers!
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
December 10 2011 00:19 GMT
#22
Thanks for the interview. There seems to be a large difference between what the two parties are saying on the matter. Regardless I'm still a fan of NaNiWa.
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
December 10 2011 00:19 GMT
#23
he seemed really friendly with DRG, joking around and stuff. i guess it was the other members on mvp that didnt care to practice against him??
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 10 2011 00:20 GMT
#24
On December 10 2011 09:15 qqK wrote:
I dont understand complexity's reddit comment o.O
Why do they insist on having kicked out naniwa and would have even against his will, if Naniwa tells a completely different story (which already was part of his initial statement). Even if it was as coL described, wouldn't it have been much better publicity-wise to get their shit together beforehand and release one story without contradictions?
Well, who cares about coL anyway, good luck in the future, nani.


Becuase Complexity keep losing all there star players. Kiwi,Destiny, Stephano now Naniwa its bad PR and they knows it.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 10 2011 00:20 GMT
#25
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Michaels
Profile Joined August 2010
419 Posts
December 10 2011 00:22 GMT
#26
Is complexity always trying to make players look bad, just because they dont want to be with them anymore? Im starting to see a pattern here
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
December 10 2011 00:22 GMT
#27
On December 10 2011 09:20 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:15 qqK wrote:
I dont understand complexity's reddit comment o.O
Why do they insist on having kicked out naniwa and would have even against his will, if Naniwa tells a completely different story (which already was part of his initial statement). Even if it was as coL described, wouldn't it have been much better publicity-wise to get their shit together beforehand and release one story without contradictions?
Well, who cares about coL anyway, good luck in the future, nani.


Becuase Complexity keep losing all there star players. Kiwi,Destiny, Stephano now Naniwa its bad PR and they knows it.

They never lost KiWi, he never signed a contract with them.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
December 10 2011 00:23 GMT
#28
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 10 2011 00:23 GMT
#29
On December 10 2011 09:22 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:20 HappyChris wrote:
On December 10 2011 09:15 qqK wrote:
I dont understand complexity's reddit comment o.O
Why do they insist on having kicked out naniwa and would have even against his will, if Naniwa tells a completely different story (which already was part of his initial statement). Even if it was as coL described, wouldn't it have been much better publicity-wise to get their shit together beforehand and release one story without contradictions?
Well, who cares about coL anyway, good luck in the future, nani.


Becuase Complexity keep losing all there star players. Kiwi,Destiny, Stephano now Naniwa its bad PR and they knows it.

They never lost KiWi, he never signed a contract with them.


Complexity bought Root right but Kiwi refused? thats also losing a player
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 00:25:29
December 10 2011 00:24 GMT
#30
It's a little confusing that coL implies they were actively trying to get rid of him and then Naniwa completely contradicts this. Someone's lying and is going to look stupid. I don't even know what coL's motivation was in revealing that in the first place honestly, as it doesn't really achieve much but stir up drama. Better off just presenting it as a mutual decision rather than making vague insinuations and leaving it to the TL forums to fill in the details.
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
December 10 2011 00:25 GMT
#31
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you kidding me? He beat both MVP and Nestea (twice) at MLG + DRG and Huk.
Atlas247
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada318 Posts
December 10 2011 00:26 GMT
#32
I didn't understand

"It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view"


Someone want to explain that to me? what does Catz have to do with it?
Windex Banana Lampshade
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 10 2011 00:26 GMT
#33
On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team.


He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group.

I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season.

Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
December 10 2011 00:27 GMT
#34
On December 10 2011 09:26 Atlas247 wrote:
I didn't understand

Show nested quote +
"It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view"


Someone want to explain that to me? what does Catz have to do with it?

What he's trying to say is that complexity rewards exposure as much as performance. So if CatZ gets that many viewers and they all see CoL's sponsors, it's worth just as much as Naniwa getting 2nd in a huge tournament.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 10 2011 00:28 GMT
#35
On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team.


He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group.

I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season.

Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky.


You can nitpick any players matches and find some bad games. If we do the same to Idra. Idra lost 3 games to no names at WCG and is stuck in masters in Korea at a 50% win ratio wow he must be so horrible!! trollface

Now plz stop the hate
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 10 2011 00:28 GMT
#36
On December 10 2011 09:25 mapthesoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you kidding me? He beat both MVP and Nestea (twice) at MLG + DRG and Huk.


I'm not talking about the global invitational. Nestea also lost a game to Idra, Kiwikaki and two to Haypro. He clearly was not playing anywhere near his best. And the last time Huk won a PvP in a best of x was in Orlando. That's a long time ago.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 10 2011 00:28 GMT
#37
On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team.


you could also say code s players would never make it up to code S if they would have to make it through code A everytime. But thats how the system works and Naniwa was a runner up pretty much the same way like Lennock, so its a bad example to say he wouldn't be able to do it .
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
December 10 2011 00:29 GMT
#38
On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team.


He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group.

I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season.

Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky.


wow the hate o.O "utterly outclassed", are you sure you are not being a little bit biased here?
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 10 2011 00:29 GMT
#39
On December 10 2011 09:28 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:
On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team.


He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group.

I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season.

Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky.


You can nitpick any players matches and find some bad games. If we do the same to Idra. Idra lost 3 games to no names at WCG and is stuck in masters in Korea at a 50% win ratio wow he must be so horrible!! trollface

Now plz stop the hate


I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's way over rated. As is Idra, but that's another argument.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
December 10 2011 00:30 GMT
#40
On December 10 2011 09:24 Beakyboo wrote:
It's a little confusing that coL implies they were actively trying to get rid of him and then Naniwa completely contradicts this. Someone's lying and is going to look stupid. I don't even know what coL's motivation was in revealing that in the first place honestly, as it doesn't really achieve much but stir up drama. Better off just presenting it as a mutual decision rather than making vague insinuations and leaving it to the sewing circle TL forums to fill in the details.

Yea, I was thinking that too.

I wonder if the contract actually had a clause that allowed them to "sell" naniwa without his consent. That's a weird thing to have in a contract.

I also want to be clear this was not a mutual decision. This was solely compLexity's decision to do this. We were going to sell the contract to someone and we are happy that Naniwa and Quantic were able to come to terms.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 11h 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 241
Livibee 159
ProTech89
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 849
Stork 2
League of Legends
Grubby4714
Dendi1535
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv5770
fl0m1617
Stewie2K856
Fnx 402
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King197
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor360
Other Games
summit1g8543
ViBE221
Maynarde148
Pyrionflax148
JuggernautJason10
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick43602
BasetradeTV76
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta37
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 41
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler78
League of Legends
• masondota2920
Other Games
• imaqtpie2134
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
11h 34m
Replay Cast
1d
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 10h
WardiTV European League
1d 16h
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2v2 Season 3
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.