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On December 10 2011 09:28 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:25 mapthesoul wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you kidding me? He beat both MVP and Nestea (twice) at MLG + DRG and Huk. I'm not talking about the global invitational. Nestea also lost a game to Idra, Kiwikaki and two to Haypro. He clearly was not playing anywhere near his best. And the last time Huk won a PvP in a best of x was in Orlando. That's a long time ago.
You seem butt-hurt.
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blegh video interview, can't be arsed to watch those. So much better if a written version is given as well, just so much faster to view.
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On December 10 2011 09:29 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:28 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky. You can nitpick any players matches and find some bad games. If we do the same to Idra. Idra lost 3 games to no names at WCG and is stuck in masters in Korea at a 50% win ratio wow he must be so horrible!! trollface Now plz stop the hate I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's way over rated. As is Idra, but that's another argument.
Dude Starcraft 2 is not black and white. You can just judge a few bad games. Nestea lost to Haypro at MLG does that make nestea bad? No, ofcourse not. You have to take a players matches and achievement over a longer period of time and then you can get a picture about how good the player is..
And in Naniwa´s case he is a champion and a code S player
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On December 10 2011 09:29 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:28 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky. You can nitpick any players matches and find some bad games. If we do the same to Idra. Idra lost 3 games to no names at WCG and is stuck in masters in Korea at a 50% win ratio wow he must be so horrible!! trollface Now plz stop the hate I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm saying he's way over rated. As is Idra, but that's another argument.
Just to be clear you would also put HuK on that overrated list, right?
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Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.
Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games.
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On December 10 2011 09:19 rUiNati0n wrote:
Thanks for the interview. There seems to be a large difference between what the two parties are saying on the matter. Regardless I'm still a fan of NaNiWa.
I don't really see any huge contradiction between what Naniwa says in this interview and what was said by Complexity in their initial statement and on reddit.
What they said was that they realised that Naniwa didn't match their core values and if what Naniwa said about Complexity's focus on streams etc.etc. was true and he made his disapproval of their position known to them, then that could have been when they realised that Naniwa didn't fit into their view of esports.
The Complexity-Quantic deal and the details surrounding that seem to be what there is most disagreement about, but at the same time, Complexity's statements regarding the deal have been so vague that it's still within reason that Naniwa's explaination is true (to an extent atleast).
Complexity only stated that they approached Quantic with the deal and that Naniwa was getting traded whether he wanted to or not, that doesn't say anything at all about why they approached Quantic first, which means that what Naniwa said about him talking to Complexity before the deal and saying that he wanted to go to Quantic has not been contested at all (yet).
To me the only part that seems to be in direct contradiction to what Complexity has said is the ''whether he wanted to or not''-part, which goes against what Naniwa said about him being able to refuse to leave.
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On December 10 2011 09:10 m3rciless wrote:
AHahahaha complexity so stupid. Who the fuck cares if catz hits 5k? NaNi fighting!
Yeah let's just piss on teams for no good reason because it's the fucking internet and we don't have to use our brains
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On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky.
LOL! The majority of huks games at mlg Orlando where pvp? You don't even have a clue lol...
There's no shame in losing to DRG, he's a code-s player.
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On December 10 2011 09:23 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:22 Ruscour wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 09:15 qqK wrote:
I dont understand complexity's reddit comment o.O
Why do they insist on having kicked out naniwa and would have even against his will, if Naniwa tells a completely different story (which already was part of his initial statement). Even if it was as coL described, wouldn't it have been much better publicity-wise to get their shit together beforehand and release one story without contradictions?
Well, who cares about coL anyway, good luck in the future, nani. Becuase Complexity keep losing all there star players. Kiwi,Destiny, Stephano now Naniwa its bad PR and they knows it. They never lost KiWi, he never signed a contract with them. Complexity bought Root right but Kiwi refused? thats also losing a player
No, KiWi never decided to join them, neither did slush.
Interesting interview, cleared up some things but still kinda sketchy in a way.
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On December 10 2011 09:32 Dexington wrote:
Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.
Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games.
Haha, that was a good one. You almost had me there.
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On December 10 2011 09:33 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky. LOL! The majority of huks games at mlg Orlando where pvp? You don't even have a clue lol... There's no shame in losing to DRG, he's a code-s player.
He hasn't won a PvP since Orlando...
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On December 10 2011 09:32 Dexington wrote:
Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.
Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games.
'Ahh ok, So its only Huk among all the worlds players that travels so much? got it.
You know how silly you sound?
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Great to hear it straight from Naniwa without it being filtered through a team site.
He has a clear vision of what he wants from his career and makes some hard decision to make it a reality. Hopefully people will stop bashing him for some made up reasons and let all this "bm" whine go. In most sports there are players/athletes that are hard to work with but that egotistical drive is often a part of what makes them so determined and good. Not everyone in life are manner bears, its just the way it is. But I believe most eSport fans can rally behind the reasoning that he values skill and results above PR and exposure.
Kör hårt nu nani
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<3 Nani. Him and SaSe are gonna tear up the tournaments next year ^_^
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If they care so much about stream viewers why don't they just sign combatex.
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Assuming Naniwa is correct about the importance of exposure to Complexity, this gives interesting insight into the differences in team priorities. He seems composed and thoughtful in this interview. Good PR for him.
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i thinks naniwa's version makes more sense, but then again i do not care about that unworthy drama that unfolds every now and then, the important thing is that the good players get to play, and naniwa is undoubtly one of the finest protoss out there.
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On December 10 2011 09:32 Dexington wrote:
Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.
Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games.
He travels just as much as Huk does. So biased it hurts. HuK and NaniWa are VERY similar in skill and results. Only thing putting HuK ahead is a decent couple of runs in the GSL. Something Naniwa will either be able to show or lag behind after next season.
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On December 10 2011 09:35 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:33 Eee wrote:On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky. LOL! The majority of huks games at mlg Orlando where pvp? You don't even have a clue lol... There's no shame in losing to DRG, he's a code-s player. He hasn't won a PvP since Orlando...
As far as I'm aware he has only played one pvp between Orlando and Providence and that's versus elfi at Asus RoG. Your statement is still pretty stupid to me.
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On December 10 2011 09:35 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:32 Dexington wrote:
Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.
Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games. 'Ahh ok, So its only Huk among all the worlds players that travels so much? got it. You know how silly you sound?
Naniwa has like half the schedule of Huk in travel.
Raleigh in August
DH Valencia (where he lost to Rain) in September
Then Blizzcon.
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