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Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
December 08 2011 12:40 GMT
#181
On December 08 2011 21:05 Megatronn wrote:
I have a question that maybe someone in this thread can answer.. Why is lastshadow in Korea? Does he not want to participate in MLGs or other various international tournaments? I thought players usually proved themselves to be a decent player in the west before going to Korea.

Everyone isn't after the fame and glory you get in the foreigner community. Those people will fade away anyway soon. You could probably compare what LS is doing to what HuK did, just that HuK had the luck to actually train in a real progamer house. Anyway, it's people with the mindset like LS that will stick around in the long run because the reward is better than staying at home in the west, play cups and stream NA/EU ladder play every day to earn some small bucks and go to events only to get crushed by hardworking koreans.

You could question why LS is in Korea without any major results in the west if he only was there to play Code A, but he is there to actually train hard like any other korean, right?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 17:04:37
December 08 2011 17:02 GMT
#182
On December 08 2011 21:28 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 21:05 Megatronn wrote:
I have a question that maybe someone in this thread can answer.. Why is lastshadow in Korea? Does he not want to participate in MLGs or other various international tournaments? I thought players usually proved themselves to be a decent player in the west before going to Korea.


I won trial games vs MVP players to get my invite.

EDIT: To the guy above me, look at Stephano, I think if anything he proves that you don't need to train in Korea to be a beast and get money or beat Koreans.

I'm sorry but could you explain a little better? It's ok if you can't but that's a little confusing.. xD. You won trial games vs MVP players to live in the GOM house? Was that required by GOM or by GG?
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
December 08 2011 17:22 GMT
#183
On December 09 2011 02:02 Megatronn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 21:28 lastshadow wrote:
On December 08 2011 21:05 Megatronn wrote:
I have a question that maybe someone in this thread can answer.. Why is lastshadow in Korea? Does he not want to participate in MLGs or other various international tournaments? I thought players usually proved themselves to be a decent player in the west before going to Korea.


I won trial games vs MVP players to get my invite.

EDIT: To the guy above me, look at Stephano, I think if anything he proves that you don't need to train in Korea to be a beast and get money or beat Koreans.

I'm sorry but could you explain a little better? It's ok if you can't but that's a little confusing.. xD. You won trial games vs MVP players to live in the GOM house? Was that required by GOM or by GG?


Stephano would probably be the exception rather than the rule in this case.

Originally LS lived in what used to be the MVP B-Team house, now the ProS house. The games he played against those MVP members were to get into that house. GG actually picked up a few members of that house (Icarus, Galaxy) to play on their pro team which according to LS was to participate in next years GSTL. However, he left the ProS house after about 3 months (I think) for a few reasons (it wasn't exactly the most serene practice environment you've ever seen/heard as anyone who watched his stream can attest to) and went to live in the GOM house, obviously with GOM's blessing.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
December 08 2011 17:44 GMT
#184
Stephano is the only exception I can think of that has been succesful without korean training and he has mad potential. I doubt anyone else will be able to do as good as Stephano has done without being in Korea training, especially by this time next year when the skill level will be even higher and the practice in the korean teamhouses will be better. And believe me when I say that if Stephano would stay home in France 12 months from now and continue training the same way he does he would be runned over by the korean scene by this time 2012. But this doesn't matter either because by this time next year he won't play anymore iirc.

But ^that is something to think about for every other foreign "progamer" who wants to be able to play this game for a living without being fucking trashed on by the koreans every event like they already do now. People who stays in the west because they are comfortable with how they have it now and they don't wanna leave their home and friends but still wanna call themselfs progamer even if they are trash pisses me off.

The foreign scene isn't thinking for the long run, and that will turn our scene into the grave just like it did with BW eventually. Our scene = fancy events and talk shows.

Lol sorry for hijacking the thread, maybe I should do a blog about this instead. ^^
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Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
December 08 2011 18:06 GMT
#185
Thanks for the answers guys!
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