Not enough silver medals in this group to be called dragons. Bisu, stork, jangbi, best and kal accounted for something like a dozen 2nd place finishes between osl, msl, wcg, and the gom classic. The players you listed have an aggregate winning percentage of around .500 in Korea the past few months. It isnt even close.

disciple

9070 Posts

December 02 2011 02:46 GMT

#23

On December 02 2011 11:44 Fionn wrote:

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Not a single person in the top 25 of the current Korean ELO was born in November.

bonjwa discussion solved then

MaV_gGSC

Canada1345 Posts

December 02 2011 02:48 GMT

#24

Nani picture is amazing<3

JesusOurSaviour

United Arab Emirates1141 Posts

December 02 2011 02:49 GMT

#25

On December 02 2011 11:27 Fionn wrote:
I mean, at the time of the dragons, all five of them were in the top seven or ten best players in the world. Hero still needs to make Code S for the first time; Naniwa is in Code S, but was given three Code A seeds and got 0-2'ed in every single tournament; Huk is fighting to get back into Code S and has never made a semifinal; MC dropped all the way down to Code B, had to go through MLG to get a Code S seed, and hasn't made a semifinal in probably half a year; Sase? Very good player...but what?

Fionn just shuts the entire thread down lol.

To all the people who like to discuss "dragons" or "bonjwa" or whatever - time to watch GSL so you realise where the real competition is...

ChuCky.Ca

Canada2497 Posts

December 02 2011 02:50 GMT

#26

What about DH summer and Homestory cup 3 for Huk:0

1Eris1

United States5797 Posts

December 02 2011 02:53 GMT

#27

None of them are even close in accomplishments, let alone skills. Needs more Koreans anyways.

Dragons were the top 5 protoss, where is killer/oz/etc?

DarkPlasmaBall

United States44269 Posts

December 02 2011 02:54 GMT

#28

On December 02 2011 11:24 StarStruck wrote:

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Oh God, couldn't agree more. People keep jumping the gun these days seriously. X-X

Agreed. "Hey let's just pick 5 good Protoss players and a mystery one."

These aren't even the top 5 Protoss players lol. You forgot the rest of the frickin Koreans...

xOff

United States247 Posts

December 02 2011 03:02 GMT

#29

I root for protoss so the protoss on ladder can stop complaining about imbalance

Mindcrime

United States6899 Posts

December 02 2011 03:05 GMT

#30

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa_ranking.php?section=korean&year=2008&month=12&action=Update

See that? That's what the actual Dragons did. They occupied six of the top ten ranks. And, at the time, an even higher percentage of the spots in the finals of individual leagues.

bittman

Australia8759 Posts

December 02 2011 03:07 GMT

#31

Isn't this just a "Wouldn't it be cool if these guys became the dragons 2 - enter the fist?" thread?

I mean, sure. Love to see a phenomena like that happen in starcraft. Heck, I'd like to see someone term a "phase" of starcraft 2, but there hasn't been any solid phenomena occur across the board. Sure, terran OP'd Korea for a couple of months, but even then the rest of the world shrugged and had other champions even pre-patch.

There just hasn't been any sort of "domination" in any sense unfortunately. No single player, team, race, country, etc has really dominated. If things change in the future, there might be something to be said for the current state as the era of "The Koreans are coming" where high level korean players threw their hat into international tournament rings more consistently and typically dominated, but an era is only an era if it can end =P

We'll see. I actually wonder whether (and this is because I don't follow BW), people considered themselves within the "5 Dragons" phenomena whilst they were in the 5 dragons phenomena? =/

Seiferz

United States640 Posts

December 02 2011 03:10 GMT

#32

On December 02 2011 12:05 Mindcrime wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa_ranking.php?section=korean&year=2008&month=12&action=Update

See that? That's what the actual Dragons did. They occupied six of the top ten ranks. And, at the time, an even higher percentage of the spots in the finals of individual leagues.

That's pretty damn impressive. Kinda ironic to see forGG there at 8.

Trang

Australia324 Posts

December 02 2011 03:11 GMT

#33

Not quite sure protoss is dominating the scene enough for there to be dragons.

Also, can someone tell me the story behind MC's picture? Looks boss.

Meteora.GB

Canada2479 Posts

December 02 2011 03:13 GMT

#34

I'm sorry but this is probably not going to end very well. I'm looking at the stats and none of them truly stands out to me; a few match ups were below 50% and most are below 60%. I mean its a nice comparison and all, but the Six Dragons from BW were at the time the six best players out of the best ten in BW. During their reign they accumulated literally a dozen silvers and several championships.

amazingxkcd

GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts

December 02 2011 03:14 GMT

#35

On December 02 2011 11:29 zyzq wrote:

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You forgot Best

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Movie and Stats to replace Free and Kal soon though.

Free looks like he actually rebounded back from his slump

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United States247 Posts

December 02 2011 03:20 GMT

#36

On December 02 2011 12:11 Trang wrote:
Not quite sure protoss is dominating the scene enough for there to be dragons.

Also, can someone tell me the story behind MC's picture? Looks boss.

After winning a series in this past MLG he ran out onto stage and impersonated a Murloc (Which is what his hoodie is)

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dUTtrOACh

Canada2339 Posts

December 02 2011 03:21 GMT

#37

All this hype at a time when Protoss are finally getting some wins again and the obvious neglect to mention Oz / Killer / Puzzle over Sase / Naniwa. God, just last GSL Killer held the hopes of all Protoss fans alone and made it pretty deep. Brush him aside for Sase... Come on.

There have been some positive changes since the most recent patches for Protoss as well as some much needed metagame adjustments over the last couple of months and it all seems to be producing results.

Taking a look back on 2011, I'd say it has been a pretty good year for Terran and Zerg. There were some flashes of Protoss awesomeness, although not many. We'll have to look back on 2012 around the end of the year to determine whether or not a particular race was dominating the podiums of the upper tourneys.

Fzero

United States1503 Posts

December 02 2011 03:30 GMT

#38

As some people mentioned, this thread is really just mentioned as a "let's look forward" post and not a "omg these 5 players are as good as the dragons". I was hoping to get people excited for possibilities going forward, really.

No need to get defensive of the BW players, if you click the link in my post you'll see I wrote a very similar article in early '09 about the Dragons... have and always will be a fan of fantastic toss play.

chenchen

United States1136 Posts

December 02 2011 03:36 GMT

#39

If protoss really do dominate to the extent of the six dragons, it would get nerfed almost overnight . . . .

Sprouter

United States1724 Posts

December 02 2011 03:38 GMT

#40

Toss has been having a pretty good 2 months; it doesn't mean that they're Dragons. Tomorrow T/Z could find a niche in the metagame and they (Protoss) all suck again.