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On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
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On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
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On November 28 2011 05:48 Loooui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
and also seperate on day9s stream
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Awesome event, i enjoyed it more than MLG providence tbh, i know there wasn't as many as ultra top korean players but at the same time, the games were great.
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On November 28 2011 05:48 Loooui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right?
If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
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I wish they had the pulse meters for the ToD vs Happy game =P.
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And I can speak for most people that were at the LAN aswell when I say, great event!
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On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Fabricating numbers sounds like a working model for esports, but it is probably all streams (not only SC2) or views (not unique viewers).
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I am somewhat curious about how common barcrafts are. Either it's a fractional error in viewership or a rather notable one.
500k sounds unlikley though.
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On November 28 2011 05:54 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Fabricating numbers sounds like a working model for esports, but it is probably all streams (not only SC2) or views (not unique viewers).
Yeah exactly. Even if it was a combined number of all streams not including SC2, it's incredibly unlikely that 500k people were watching at the same time.
In all likelihood they counted the number of streams opened in some small time period to get the figure, so the true number would be around 100-150k which is far more reasonable. This is how some streaming companies (I know from 1st hand experience) measure it. Pick the time when you expect the most tuning in, and then in a 10 minute gap start counting. It's not accurate but it uses far less resources and gives you the best looking figure. Of course if there are reasons for people to refresh (lag) or multiple streams per person, you don't really have a figure that's worth anything.
It's worth noting that these numbers are what DH uses to show potential sponsors and drive future contracts, so there is no way they're being perfectly upfront and honest. It would be absolutely foolish to do so. There's a reason content producers tend to skew the figures, the perfect example being box office sales -- ticket prices have more than doubled along with a dramatic population increase, so box office sales are really completely meaningless in terms of a film's success compared to the past. They still use it though since it sounds good.
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On November 28 2011 05:52 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:48 Loooui wrote:On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT. Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right? If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
Counter-Strike stream
Heroes of Newerth stream
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On November 28 2011 05:59 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:54 Jiddra wrote:On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Fabricating numbers sounds like a working model for esports, but it is probably all streams (not only SC2) or views (not unique viewers). Yeah exactly. Even if it was a combined number of all streams not including SC2, it's incredibly unlikely that 500k people were watching at the same time. In all likelihood they counted the number of streams opened in some small time period to get the figure, so the true number would be around 100-150k which is far more reasonable. It's worth noting that these numbers are what DH uses to show potential sponsors and drive future contracts, so there is no way they're being perfectly upfront and honest. It would be absolutely foolish to do so. There's a reason content producers tend to skew the figures, the perfect example being box office sales -- ticket prices have more than doubled along with a dramatic population increase, so box office sales are really completely meaningless in terms of a film's success compared to the past. They still use it though since it sounds good.
There is a problem tho, every tournament has its own way of counting. So would be nice if Dreamhack returned with a more indepth post about streamfigures (like in the past). The numbers from other Dreamhacks have been very to the point and "non sugar".
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On November 28 2011 06:01 Presidenten wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:52 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:48 Loooui wrote:On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT. Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right? If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH. Counter-Strike stream Heroes of Newerth stream
Were the numbers on either of those over 50k? If Dota was only around 10k, I really don't see how those could be much higher. That said, I don't have the figures and I guess they could have both hit ~100k each?
Anyways, I feel like I've made my point. It's great to see that tourneys are growing, but it does still suck that none of them release completely honest and accurate figures. That said, a tournament would have to be run by idiots to actually do that seeing as it would cost them sponsorship money.
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On November 28 2011 06:03 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 06:01 Presidenten wrote:On November 28 2011 05:52 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:48 Loooui wrote:On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT. Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right? If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH. Counter-Strike stream Heroes of Newerth stream Were the numbers on either of those over 50k? If Dota was only around 10k, I really don't see how those could be much higher. That said, I don't have the figures and I guess they could have both hit ~100k each? Anyways, I feel like I've made my point. It's great to see that tourneys are growing, but it does still suck that none of them release completely honest and accurate figures. That said, a tournament would have to be run by idiots to actually do that seeing as it would cost them sponsorship money.
Kind of like pissing yourself, nice and warm to start with but it gets cold mighty fast. Sponsors are not stupid, esports isn't the first team that comes and pushes great streaming numbers infront of them. Many sponsors at dreamhack makes a living working those numbers on a daily basis.
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On November 28 2011 06:07 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 06:03 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 06:01 Presidenten wrote:On November 28 2011 05:52 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:48 Loooui wrote:On November 28 2011 05:45 hmunkey wrote:On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading. Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT. Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right? If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH. Counter-Strike stream Heroes of Newerth stream Were the numbers on either of those over 50k? If Dota was only around 10k, I really don't see how those could be much higher. That said, I don't have the figures and I guess they could have both hit ~100k each? Anyways, I feel like I've made my point. It's great to see that tourneys are growing, but it does still suck that none of them release completely honest and accurate figures. That said, a tournament would have to be run by idiots to actually do that seeing as it would cost them sponsorship money. Kind of like pissing yourself, nice and warm to start with but it gets cold mighty fast. Sponsors are not stupid, esports isn't the first team that comes and pushes great streaming numbers infront of them. Many sponsors at dreamhack makes a living working those numbers on a daily basis.
Are you arguing that the stats aren't padded? Why would someone not pad the stats?
Note that I'm not saying any tournament is lying. I'm simply saying they look at all their measurements and use the one which yields the highest result. Of course this number may not (and probably isn't) all that accurate, but it looks the best. The same thing happens in television and every day in business/government. Budget outlooks are never truly honest. The same applies to revenue reports. If there's a loophole that lets you make yourself look better, you take it.
And yes, sponsors know not to trust the given figures completely. That's why being completely honest would be a terrible plan. If Intel's marketing team always assumes the figures they receive are inflated and DH sent them uninflated ones, DH would automatically be at a disadvantage since Intel would by default ignore a lot of those numbers.
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I had so much fun there. Can't describe the joy I feel for the growth of Starcraft!
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On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
The figures in the OP:
Concurrent viewers, average peak: 212,003
Concurrent viewers, highest peak: 559,664
Unique video views: 23,047,554
Absolute unique viewers: 17,332,113
Total Viewing Time (hours): 169,320 hours
... have not been confirmed. These figures are from a brand new Reddit account with no official confirmation from DreamHack.
We have no idea if these stats are correct or if it is just some random guy who made that account and decided to troll with the DreamHack stats.
This summer DH had 1.5 Million Unique Viewers, 3M if you include the LoL stream. So basically this means that they have increased it to 17M which seems very unlikely.
The best thing is to wait for an official release from DreamHack that will come in the upcoming days. Then we know how popular the whole event was. DH is a fantastic event and they always have amazing stream numbers, so even though it will not be 17M it will be amazing stats.
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shit I still can't watch the VODs :S
One little tinny thing that i loved was the music.. i know everything else was 10x as great as the music, but i loved this little tiny detail when nothing else was going on (not too often), and also the black overlay on top cheering "Herlo! Hero! Hero!" was pretty pretty nice.
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On November 28 2011 06:20 TheSilverfox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote:
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D The figures in the OP: Show nested quote +Concurrent viewers, average peak: 212,003
Concurrent viewers, highest peak: 559,664
Unique video views: 23,047,554
Absolute unique viewers: 17,332,113
Total Viewing Time (hours): 169,320 hours ... have not been confirmed. These figures are from a brand new Reddit account with no official confirmation from DreamHack. We have no idea if these stats are correct or if it is just some random guy who made that account and decided to troll with the DreamHack stats. This summer DH had 1.5 Million Unique Viewers, 3M if you include the LoL stream. So basically this means that they have increased it to 17M which seems very unlikely. The best thing is to wait for an official release from DreamHack that will come in the upcoming days. Then we know how popular the whole event was. DH is a fantastic event and they always have amazing stream numbers, so even though it will not be 17M it will be amazing stats.
Yeah and there's no way there isn't growth. Just look at the scale of the event compared to previous ones. My only concern is that we aren't getting a true representation of "success" in esports since every tourney puts out these numbers that sound ridiculous (oftentimes through unofficial channels like a tweet or forum post).
Unique viewers sounds awesome to show off, but does that actually mean viewers or people who clicked the link? If MLG gets frontpaged on Reddit, easily several 100k people will click the link. Does that mean they watched it? Of course not, but they might still be counted as viewers.
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