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Well i basically missed the entire event due to horrible stream lag, which apparently was fixed for alot of people on day 3 but not for all, me being one of them, and going by the stream chats etc there was ALOT of people in the same boat.
Had to watch the VOD's as they came out, not really the same thing as watching a live stream with thousands of other people.
So seriously DH, don't ever use Twitch.tv for this again, this shit happened at the last Dreamhack too, and still no fix for the lag.
And to the person saying that we should roll with Twitch just because it worked for the majority, how much of a selfish twat can you be?
Yeah let's leave it as it is where a huge amount of people are not able to watch the streams instead of fixing it everyone can watch derp.
Lag issues aside, it looked like a great event. The stadium was awesome.
On November 28 2011 02:44 GabrielB wrote:And I love you, TotalBiscuit, but I think you should lose the hat man, go for the professional look.
I wholeheartedly disagree, TB and that hat are one.
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On November 28 2011 03:28 eNtitY~ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 18:40 Highways wrote:
Awesome tournament:
- Sick stadium
- Coach discussion
- No BS extended series to ruin the final
- High production
- Pretty good music The finals was a Bo7, MLG's extended series is also a Bo7.
...That's not what he means by extended series.
He means when any scores are carried over from previous matches.
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On November 28 2011 02:44 GabrielB wrote:And I love you, TotalBiscuit, but I think you should lose the hat man, go for the professional look.
He was neatly dressed and wearing a top hat. This is like people who instantly hate longer haired guys when they see them, like people disliking others either for their looks or presentation, when really, there's too much of everyone having to be the same. Why is super short hair more professional? Simply because people are most used to it? Tejbz was probably dressed reasonably enough, but that shouldn't excuse his rude and atrociously slack attitude toward casting (nothing much to say as well as zero knowledge, which shows lack of efot put into preparation). TB's top hat is part of his character and part (even if only a small one) of what has made him become well known. People create an image and become popular with it only for random others to come along and say "but that perfectly innocent dress sense that is also neat seems unprofessional to me". :/
I don't like 50BD (SoBad, commonly also represented somehow as "2GD"), but it's true that for all his low-grade and unoriginal humour, he's at least a lot more casual or comfortable (as in not awkward) and would have been a much safer choice for the host. Day[9] is great, but he has to cast too.
Sweden's a pretty big heavily populated country though, you'd think they'd have conducted interviews for the position and been able to judge whether a person is popular and a good choice, or actually just a git who can't even be his supposedly "cool, hip pimp self" (WTF?! People were saying these sorts of things about him in Tejbz's music video) on stage in front of a crowd of nerds, yet he seems to have a huge following in the gaming community with his youtube videos.
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i love and loved DH, watched almost all games! Fantastic but i have 2 or 3 small things they could improve.
1. More casting teams or more switching between them ( it was hard for casters and for viewers as well near the end after 14 hours of casting - the previous system from DH summer i liked better 
2. Seedings and groups / playoff drawing. THE DRAW MUST be LIVE ON STREAM!!!! It is near as much fun as games!
3. No stream of 1st game between Ret / Nerchio (its playoff and playing without stream?)
Everything else was almost perfect - still looking for some nice improvements on DH Summer
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MLG can learn so much from Dreamhack!
I really loved their 3 cast and all the casters (who doesn't ) and even when there was a break on the stream, they played really good or funny music. MLG should really improve on their stream downtime and become a bit more like dreamhack in that aspect.
Second the caster couch was just brilliant! It was really great to have some commentary/analysis between the games from people differing from the actual casters!
Then I have to say the grand finals at DH were better than all grand finals at MLG combined. Due to their system, one player always has an advantage, where in contrast yesterday, there were two totally equal opponents fighting for the title.
Last but not least I really liked the two group stages instead of one since there were even more opportunities to the see the players play.
All in all I can only say that DH was a mindblowing event and I am already looking forward to 2012!
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I'm generally quite sceptic when it comes to TotalBiscuit but I think he did his best tournament thus far. He has become more humble and listens to the expert voice of Apollo more, his camera controls were excellent, very smooth, not to jumpy yet managed to catch the action most of the time. As such, this was a big step up for him.
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On November 28 2011 03:35 ChowChillaCharlie wrote:
And to the person saying that we should roll with Twitch just because it worked for the majority, how much of a selfish twat can you be?
No streaming service works for everyone and will never do. People preferring services that works for the majority of people is anything but "selfish twats".
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Yes, this was one of the best tournaments i've seen, but nearly all SC2 tournaments have been great so far. Last MLGs, GSLs, some IEM events and all the Dreamhacks, nothing to complain about
A small tip for next tournament: although MrBitter and Day9 worked fine as a combo, i would suggest getting four caster combos (fe. Tastosis, Day9 & a European pro (fe. Hasuobs), MrBitter & RotterdaM and TB & Apollo) and doing some switcharoo, all the casters were too heavily burdened during the event and some relief would be welcome to them.
Other than that: one of the best tournaments i've watched. A European guy in the finals would've been great, but both PuMa and HerO certainly deserved to be in the Grand Finals!
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MrBitter and Day9 casting together are the second casting archon.
Tasteless and Artosis + MrBitter and Day9 at an event = success.
TB and Apollo were good but they arn't an archon yet.
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I appreciate DH <3 can't wait for next years events! Maybe I'll even attend some now that flight prices are down here.
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On November 28 2011 03:50 Paladia wrote:
I'm generally quite sceptic when it comes to TotalBiscuit but I think he did his best tournament thus far. He has become more humble and listens to the expert voice of Apollo more, his camera controls were excellent, very smooth, not to jumpy yet managed to catch the action most of the time. As such, this was a big step up for him.
I think so, too. You can clearly see significant progression in terms of chemistry- given the amount of casting experience they now have gathered as a combo. I think all three duo's had a special flavor in their own right and were almost equally highly enjoyable. That said, Tastosis I feel have again outdone themselves But overall big kudos to everyone involved, especially with the casting marathon of the first two days.
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On November 27 2011 23:04 WightyCity wrote:
great DH , i liked the couch idea. would be nice to have a little touchscreen coffee table so they can analyze the games with magic markers and stuff ! that would be the best
Oh hell yes! Something like in hockey between periods a expert commentator draws out some great play. Damn, getting chills thinking of day9 inbetween games drawing out on a big screen how a player held of a insane allin, this is where e-sports are headed right? And it dosen't seem all that far away anymore after this dreamhack!
But there was some bad.. or shall we say one bad thing. Never have that Tejbz guy anywhere near esports again, he acutally almost ruined this otherwise great event for me. When he was asking that Quake Live player about how soon after an event he gets laid or something like that, first the player thougt he was joking but he just kept asking... I had to stop watching untill he wasent on the stream anymore.
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Everything about this tournament was awesome except cutting to other games' tournaments. I realize it was probably partly due to venue logistics but I would rather be able to follow the story of one tournament straight through and then choose whether to watch other games.
But let me say it again, everything else about this tournament was awesome! Loved the stream quality, loved the caster couch, loved the selection of players and the tournament format, loved the quality of the games. Keep up the good work!
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On November 28 2011 04:51 Khorm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 23:04 WightyCity wrote:
great DH , i liked the couch idea. would be nice to have a little touchscreen coffee table so they can analyze the games with magic markers and stuff ! that would be the best Oh hell yes! Something like in hockey between periods a expert commentator draws out some great play. Damn, getting chills thinking of day9 inbetween games drawing out on a big screen how a player held of a insane allin, this is where e-sports are headed right? And it dosen't seem all that far away anymore after this dreamhack! But there was some bad.. or shall we say one bad thing. Never have that Tejbz guy anywhere near esports again, he acutally almost ruined this otherwise great event for me. When he was asking that Quake Live player about how soon after an event he gets laid or something like that, first the player thougt he was joking but he just kept asking... I had to stop watching untill he wasent on the stream anymore.
I only see one problem. They would need to get the replay ASAP. Load it. Load the full replay. Its 2-3 minutes minimum. In that time players would be already ready for the next map.
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Whoever thought of the caster couch is a genius!
Great tournament overall, I don't think I have anything bad to say about it.
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Well done dreamhack! I enjoyed it thoroughly
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On November 28 2011 05:13 MetalLobster wrote:
Whoever thought of the caster couch is a genius!
Great tournament overall, I don't think I have anything bad to say about it.
uh huh! the caster couch is really great.. instead of having 2 casters trying their best to fill the time between games, we have 4 different casters doing it. and it's amazing to have different POV each of them. d'apollo said something that enlightened me -- something about keeping 2 zealots and then warping in 4 more, then sending 6 zealots to the terran base to fake a 6 gate attack, when in fact HerO went DT rush.. wouldn't have thought about these minute metagame details!
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only complaint was the lag. had to watch on 420p 
first world problems...
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Good stream, it didt lag for me , just got a blackscreen one time. Had 1080p+ on all three streams whole day first two days.. Then finals was also awesome, tobad they didt show'd some games from first day, think Tastless had to rest because of hes eye. Cant wait to 2012!
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Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
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