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On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote:
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
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On January 20 2012 01:05 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 01:03 FluXen wrote:
Prize pools are still disappointing me, compared to other tournies But they haven't released the info for the rest of the prize money?
The Prize pool for our Arena tournament is nearly double of our main pro-circuit competitions from last year. AND we're paying travel for all players TO the Arena and for the top 16 going to the pro-circuit.
We also as others have pointed out, have not yet announced the Pro-circuit prize money yet. Stay tuned!
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On January 20 2012 01:08 TensaiSakuragi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote:
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
52 weeks in the year, you are going to have some scheduling conflicts. Stop overeacting and get over it.
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The format is a lot better than the year before. But i hate the fact that its conflicting with Assembly Winter. 64 world class players are not able to travel during the same weekend, which means the other event will be lacking. Sadly my guess its going to be assembly =( Hope there arent too many cancellations though.
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On January 20 2012 01:10 Kralic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 01:08 TensaiSakuragi wrote:On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote:
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing... 52 weeks in the year, you are going to have some scheduling conflicts. Stop overeacting and get over it.
There is a difference between schedules conflicting due to ignorance and schedules conflicting because it couldn't be helped. Point is an effort wasn't even put forward to let others know in the initial planning stages. If MLG needs to book events months and months in advance then they should at the very least release the dates when they are booked. Keep locations secret since that has minimal impact, but the dates need to be out.
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On January 20 2012 01:18 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 01:10 Kralic wrote:On January 20 2012 01:08 TensaiSakuragi wrote:On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote:
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing... 52 weeks in the year, you are going to have some scheduling conflicts. Stop overeacting and get over it. There is a difference between schedules conflicting due to ignorance and schedules conflicting because it couldn't be helped. Point is an effort wasn't even put forward to let others know in the initial planning stages. If MLG needs to book events months and months in advance then they should at the very least release the dates when they are booked. Keep locations secret since that has minimal impact, but the dates need to be out.
Fall of 2011 was a few months ago, I am sure Assembly had to book in advance like that as well. It is just funny how MLG gets all of the blame for this, it is both events fault in the end and both event's lose out on overall talent.
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On January 20 2012 00:43 StarVe wrote:Very nice and all, but with the scheduling MLG behaves like a bull in a china shop. Who cares whoever has some big events planned that time, players will come to us and people will watch us. I don't like the style of muscling the competition out of the way, this could've been easily avoided with sufficient communication between organizations but it seems like MLG is not really interested in that. It really sucks that we'll have player pool and audience split once again among two big tournaments, I can't even stress that enough. People put a lot of effort in this, plan everything months before and then we as an audience don't get the complete/full experience because there's another event popping up that waves money around to attract players. 
Anyone that followed the Halo scene knows MLG is like this. Ideally they would want to monopolize SC2 in the west but it will be much more difficult since there are actually teams that sponsor and many more tournaments.
They signed the 3 best teams (and only teams really worth watching) to 250K contracts (per team member so 1 million) to exclusive contracts to compete only in MLG and basically all Halo tournaments outside of MLG ceased to exist since they couldnt get viewership.
This won't happen in Starcraft 2 because of the global scale and much more external sponsors to teams but shows that MLG wants to crush everybody eventually if they can. It's not the time yet since eSports growing as a whole is good for MLG but as saturation starts they will start to do more and more anti-competitive things when it comes time to monitize. I believe Sundance when he says nobody is making big money yet on this. With all these competitors it's very hard for these organizations to make much of a profit.
Why pay X to sponsor this event with 100K viewers when I can pay a lesser organization desperate for sponsors a quarter of that, that still gets 50K viewers of most of the same audience the next week. MLG and other top organizations are going to have to do anti-competitive things (schedule events at the same time) so those lesser events are getting like 10K viewers and make it so it's uneconomical to sponsor those events.
Consolidation will happen eventually whether you like it or not. Just not yet so enjoy the ride of great tournaments run by a variety of organizations almost every single week.
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On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote:
Hey everyone,
Excited to be able to talk about the start of the 2012 season FINALLY.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
This is the case with all event organizers, and unfortunately, by the time any of us (event organizers in general) find out where/when all the other events are, it's often too late to change gears.
Stay tuned for additional 2012 details.
Lee
Well, of course you can't change the fact that events have conflicting schedules if you find out when other events are a week before you announce yours. This only emphasizes the point that much more talking should be going on between the various event organizers in the planning stages of the events.
If all of the few big tournament guys would talk more openly, you could avoid much of these "errors". I mean, you're not supposed to share anything else about your plans than the potential event dates you are aiming for in the next few months, would that hurt the/your business so much?
Sure, sometimes there is simply no perfect solution, but this has happened to quite a lot now with various tournaments, I think "it simply wasn't an option in this case" is used far too often at the moment.
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still waiting for MLG Paris
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On January 20 2012 01:08 TensaiSakuragi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote:
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
It's not selfish, its marketing. What do you get out of knowing more other than the self satisfaction that you know more? You will know when they want to let everybody know.
That being said, SUPER pumped for MLG this year. Much love, good luck with great tournaments, I look forward to watching.
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My immediate response to reading this was to request off of work for March 23-26th. Sooooo looking forward to MLG Columbus again. Thanks for having the Winter Championship there (though Chicago wouldn't be a bad location either  )
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France has ESWC, Germany has IEM WC and Sweden has DreamHack. Only remaining active market seems to be England, so I am really looking forward to MLG UK. =)
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On January 20 2012 01:30 Yaki wrote:
still waiting for MLG Paris
Oh yes please make that happen!
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On January 20 2012 01:36 sunnata wrote:
France has ESWC, Germany has IEM WC and Sweden has DreamHack. Only remaining active market seems to be England, so I am really looking forward to MLG UK. =)
Oh I hope so.
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On January 20 2012 01:36 sunnata wrote:
France has ESWC, Germany has IEM WC and Sweden has DreamHack. Only remaining active market seems to be England, so I am really looking forward to MLG UK. =)
Yea thats most likely gonna happen.
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How will you handle Heart of the Swarm Release if it's in the middle of a online qualifier and then the event as we go down 2012?
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I suppose it's natural because assembly/iem announced their (assembly this week too?) dates first, but it's a bit silly to assign the blame on just MLG, especially knowing that all these organizations had to secure these venues well in advance
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Just because MLG doesn't announce their dates publicly doesn't mean they aren't talking behind the scenes with other tournaments. Is there any evidence they didn't do that?
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It's too bad there are no spectators for NYC, that seems like a missed opportunity, but I suppose that adds expensive logistics.
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What do you guys think will be the dates for the spring arena / spring championship? We're planning a StarCraft 2 tournament on our University and have been waiting for MLG to announce their dates, so that we can prevent an overlap - but now we still don't know anything!
Do you think it might be end of May for Arena + end of June for the championship? That would allow for our tournament to take place in early June (before DreamHack Summer).
We have to know pretty soon if we're going to finalize our venue and casters... Otherwise we'll have to take a gamble.
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