EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 39
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cubert
Russian Federation94 Posts
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Wow way to own Joshy and IGN with 9 words. Fix this IGN  | ||
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
On November 01 2011 04:36 fyndor wrote: Quit equating govt work with Starcraft 2. They aren't even close to similar. Please leave this thread. All you are doing is bashing everyone that is trying to get across a point. You are so one dimensioned that you will not accept anything else that is said to try and clear things up. Go and learn how business (yes, SC2 tournaments come under businesses, just like the NFL, NHL, Premier League etc...) work, then come back and add something constructive to the thread. | ||
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:56 bigjenk wrote: What other profession would you wonder if you will get paid within 6 months so you can make rent? Oh right none. If they promise money they can not deliver or at the best deliver 6 months to a year later then yes they should gtfo of esports. I wouldn't open a business if I had no means to pay the employees for 6 months while telling them they would be paid immediately. To call that spoiled is idiotic, the only thing that is, is highly irresponsible by the tournaments. Poker can be like that  . A while ago I was stupid enough to put money on cake poker and it took months for me to get my money off the site. | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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SilentChaos87
United States3 Posts
Way to drag that shit out into the open! | ||
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Huge O
Great Britain95 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:14 fyndor wrote: Even if there were they would be hard to enforce given the international nature of SC2. Even if the country you live in has a relationship with the country the tournament is hosted in, you would likely have to go to court in the tournaments country. Very few tournaments have prize pools worth that legal cost. I think the only way to solve this is a Kespa-like organization...but hopefully not TOO Kespa-like. That makes perfect sense. For some reason, I had it in my head that we were talking specifically about tournaments hosted in the U.S. being played by residents of the U.S. Obviously, that is very unrealistic. | ||
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Jebusrocks
Canada62 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:00 ThisGS wrote: So many people in this thread think ESL doesnt pay. Thats WRONG. They always pay, just really, really slow. As Carmac posted, its a bit better @ IEM events than national events (eps) / random other cups That is a really bad way to put it. Time changes the value of money. It's not the same thing come late. It's something different. Withholding payment for so long is like requiring every prize winner to give ESL a free loan for the amount of money won for the period of time the money is withheld. Loans shouldn't be free. ESL should pay promptly or pay a late fee or pay interest. Otherwise they absolutely are exploiting their players. | ||
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xerathul
Turkey12 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:22 divito wrote: eSports is still in a volatile stage. If they are unprepared for the circumstances surrounding their chosen career, then that's their problem. We are an incredibly spoiled generation. I think you just showed why eSports is "still in a volatile stage" with this kind of disrespect towards players and short-sightedness. Thankfully not every organizer think like you. Players basically should not pay the price for the fact that event organizers suck at their job. | ||
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ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:16 divito wrote: I'm not saying they don't get paid. They get a portion of what they were promised by sponsors per month. Their initial costs are paid first, followed by the players. Think of it this way, if you have a $20,000 bill (player payouts), a $10,000 bill (venue expenses etc) but you're only making $5,000 a month (combined sponsor income), how does one pay all of their expenses immediately? I'm not blaming the players for the "late" payment. This situation has existed for years in eSports, and I understand it's a new concept for those at TL. If players are expecting to make a living, they need to be assured of things. If they know that tournaments will not pay with in a few months, they need to make other arrangements. If I'm late on rent or mortgage payment, I can't go to my landlord or bank and say, sorry, I haven't gotten paid yet. They'll tell you too bad. Like I said, spoiled generation. Heh, no. I study economics and marketing and I have never heard of a business that has a combinded monthly expenditure of 30.000 dollar opposed to a calculated monthly income of 5.000 dollars. This business is bound to go bankrupt. It's really quite simple, if you have the money, host the tournament, if you don't, then don't host the tournament. If you have a "payment after delivery" contract with your sponsor as in "you only get payed once your tournament was held" you are quite obviously doing it wrong, you give your sponsor an easy way out "oh hey look the tournament wasn't succesful, let's just not pay them". It seems to me like you have no idea how economics work or how income stands in relation to expenditure. MLG is doing it right, they are able to pay their players immediately and even if you have a "payment after delivery" contract you as a business still have the option to take a loan as long as you can prove that your future income can settle the debt (in this case that would be the conract of your sponsor). So at no point should a business be unable to immediately pay their players, UNLESS they have a higher debt than secure future income. This seems to be the case for ESL. MLG is doing it right, I don't know their business model, but I could imagine that it looks something like this. | ||
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Lolli92
Germany109 Posts
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ssg
United States1770 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:17 Krehlmar wrote: Wow way to own Joshy and IGN with 9 words. Fix this IGN He already responded to this. IGN cleared the books on IPL1. There's a tracking mistake on someone's end. | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote: That is a really bad way to put it. Time changes the value of money. It's not the same thing come late. It's something different. Withholding payment for so long is like requiring every prize winner to give ESL a free loan for the amount of money won for the period of time the money is withheld. Loans shouldn't be free. ESL should pay promptly or pay a late fee or pay interest. Otherwise they absolutely are exploiting their players. im agreeing with this, i didnt say its good or so. but many ppl missunderstood the sitation and thought esl doesnt pay at all, which is still a big difference | ||
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
On November 01 2011 04:56 simmeh wrote: sooo.... spotlight for this thread? while there is some bashing, i'd say it's more of an awareness thread on a fairly important topic A mod would have to edit the OP so as to contain BOTH sides of the argument. As it stands, the first 5-6 pages are just people venting their anger, before organisers have a chance to comment on it. But yes, a spotlight would be good. | ||
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rawrss
Canada29 Posts
(Granted, they have Valve as their backbone) | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
If there is some major work needed I can help for a minimal sum or some very small % of the fee, not trying to benefit on errors here but I already have a job, full time studies and ideal work so just need something minor for the effort: As said, only if it requires some work or that I have to press charges. And yes I have done this before and yes I have won 2 trials so far. Contact me if you want personal info/facebook if interested. If nothing else I just want people to know that there is help to be had and that things like this should not be allowed. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:00 ThisGS wrote: So many people in this thread think ESL doesnt pay. Thats WRONG. They always pay, just really, really slow. As Carmac posted, its a bit better @ IEM events than national events (eps) / random other cups yes this is true. i dont have much doubt about the ESL eventually paying me, but super slow payments are also annoying, and as tyler pointed out, they are basically working with "our" money for a year for free. | ||
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