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On October 25 2011 10:03 WArped wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 09:58 Theeakoz wrote:
They need pros in their team! I know I said it before, but the more I think about it, the more I realize how much better the game would be with a bunch of community-picked reasonable pro gamers visiting blizzard's balance office every weak and turning in their reports.
We vote and chose pros to do this for us and they do it for a period of time and then new candidates and then we vote again, we can also give them some benefits for doing this for the community. ' They do use pros. I know Sen is often contributing to balance discussion at Blizzard; anyway the game is almost as balanced as you can make WoL without adding new units, maybe a few tiny exceptions.
They do? But are the pros really have this responsibility as a side job? If they were to take it as a serious responsibility that they have to accomplish because of getting picked by the community balance side of things would be much better .
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"Raa-ight?"
Nice interview and question choice.
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Well wasn't David Kim a progamer?
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Thanks for the interview. Lan question was as expected, other questions were interesting.
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United States22883 Posts
Great interview, and I appreciate a lot of Dustin's answers and especially his fear of making balance changes. Granted, they've made a ton of balance changes but I hope in the future they step back a bit and let the players develop the game more.
As for balls, part of it is simply players not having very good control but I do think a magic box (not the fake kind with mutas) would help the game out. The most common serious problem I've seen is Protosses repositioning their army and in the process, even if they're using multiple hotkeys and selecting units separately, sentries form a ball and then an EMP comes and wins the game. A magic box in that situation would allow small groups of units to keep a spread formation.
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While it's a totally revolutionary idea (/sarcasm) it doesn't even work very well. Having worked in the HoN community, (where they had a super secret forum for pros to balance whine) I've seen how badly it fails.
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Refreshingly honest! Great interview and thank you for that.
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Good interview. Riiiight.
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On October 25 2011 10:07 Matkap wrote:
Well wasn't David Kim a progamer?
No.
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On October 25 2011 09:57 Pyre wrote:
Good interview, worries me how clueless they act on stuff. How can you not think about how the game changes adding new units. Only adding because they are cool scares me. Yes they can be tweaked but by how much? I hope they do come up with something for the map problem. Lol at him wearing a terran shirt and not coming up with a downside to terran.
You don't understand how design processes work. A lot of time is spent on throwing an idea that the community can then use in a public beta, and then the design/balance team can then go "hey this affects terran's x and y units in a way that is imbalanced and is being abused". They then have not only a unit to work with, but they then have live testers and problems with the unit that they can then deal with. If it causes too many problems, they cut the unit. It's EXACTLY what DB was saying... And I agree with him 100%. He speaks very well and very soundly of the processes they use.
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On October 25 2011 10:06 Kafkaesk wrote:
Can somebody tell me if GSL is running on Battle.net?
I never saw any lag or connection issues during a GSL match, but plenty on other tournaments.
I wonder if they use a special GSL tournament server for those matches, and if yes, why not making those available for other major tournaments too?
I believe it is. South Korea has way more advanced internet infrastructure than the US though and is much geographically smaller, so there are less things that can go wrong regarding latency / loss.
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Progamers frequently give Blizzard feedback... i remember them talking with Sen not too long ago.
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On October 25 2011 10:06 Kafkaesk wrote:
Can somebody tell me if GSL is running on Battle.net?
I never saw any lag or connection issues during a GSL match, but plenty on other tournaments.
I wonder if they use a special GSL tournament server for those matches, and if yes, why not making those available for other major tournaments too?
The internet is FAR more stable in Korea compared to the rest of the world.
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Dustin Browder's shirt is Terran. Not surprised 
Kennigit, great interview!
Riiiiiight? Riiiiight! 
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I think he completely missed, or refused to acknowledge the point being made about community maps. And how does he think blizzard maps are so good? Please tell me he doesn't think that the 7 people who play them on the PTR are enough feedback. I don't think he really understands how talented some of our community map makers are. (or they would offer them a job and fire whoever the hell is making the blizz maps)
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Browder should grow his hair out so his sideburns go around his ear and connect at the back of his head. It would be epic. Also, that was a super good interview. I feel like it gave a lot better information than the stuff floor casters were giving at Blizcon.
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To speak towards the pathing issues, they could do something similar to the formation toggle that War 3 had. You can choose to let your army act as it does now, clumping up into a tight ball, or you could toggle on the formation option for that control group and the units would keep a reasonable spread from each other as they move around the map, staying in formation.
I was actually surprised to see how Blizzard created so many great innovations between the release of Broodwar and the development and release of War 3, yet very few of those innovations were used as inspiration for SC2 design.
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On October 25 2011 10:08 FreudianTrip wrote:While it's a totally revolutionary idea (/sarcasm) it doesn't even work very well. Having worked in the HoN community, (where they had a super secret forum for pros to balance whine) I've seen how badly it fails.
What you're saying is the opposite of what my idea is, I said 3 pros community picked openly do this repeatedly withing a certain time frame, you're talking about some secreft forum but that's not what I said...
also I said the picked pros are like senators, they have a certain period where they do this and then the community picks a new representative.
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Australia8532 Posts
Very good interview Kennigit - thanks! Besides the consistent "Riiiight" he was really good to hear from. He is very honest about the process and their approach. I liked the specific insights into the bunker and the particularly the creep tumours hehe a really interesting dynamic. I was also pleased to here their stance on the pathfinding.
Overall great!
On October 25 2011 10:12 Theeakoz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 10:08 FreudianTrip wrote:While it's a totally revolutionary idea (/sarcasm) it doesn't even work very well. Having worked in the HoN community, (where they had a super secret forum for pros to balance whine) I've seen how badly it fails. What you're saying is the opposite of what my idea is, I said 3 pros community picked openly do this repeatedly withing a certain time frame, you're talking about some secreft forum but that's not what I said... also I said the picked pros are like senators, they have a certain period where they do this and then the community picks a new representative.
To be honest i didn't get the impression that they are afraid to do anything - more that according to their analysis the game is incredibly close to balanced and the slightest adjustment could cause huge problems.
As to the inclusion of pros - i am fairly certain they receive pro feedback; we do not need it to be a public process with community member nominations - it is just to much of a parade. As much as everyone complains they seem to do a pretty good job.
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On October 25 2011 10:11 Naughty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 10:06 Kafkaesk wrote:
Can somebody tell me if GSL is running on Battle.net?
I never saw any lag or connection issues during a GSL match, but plenty on other tournaments.
I wonder if they use a special GSL tournament server for those matches, and if yes, why not making those available for other major tournaments too? The internet is FAR more stable in Korea compared to the rest of the world.
best system in the world no joke.
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