On October 24 2011 00:01 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Magic box won't work with that kind of aoe. You want to spread out 40-60 mutas manually? Also this will destroy mass corruptors as well probably. You think you'll have the time to spread out corruptors while microing around forcefields, fungaling, injecting, and making more units all during the same battle while protoss can potentially just a move with a few ff thrown in?
In it's current iteration the tempest does 20 or 22 damage (don't remember which) in an aoe with a long attack time. If terrans can split marines to counter banelings, zergs can split corruptors to counter this.
Don't compare marines to corruptors lol. Marines do not stack when attacking, while air units do. Spreading mass muta is impossible and this hard counter tempest thing is really bad imo; they better buff archon or something and add something like Arbiter which is interesting unit with many uses and not a "counter to mutas" lol..
On October 23 2011 23:34 Match wrote: I think hard unit counters are bullshit. You should be able to beat a supposed counter with the unit that's weak against it, like marines vs banelings. The design team saying that the tempest was made to take out 40-60 mutalisks at a time is such bullshit. Hard counters just shouldn't exist; previously you could magic box the Thors, but apparently the splash is too large to do that with tempests. And I love how they didn't want to add to the deathball philosophy for protoss.. so they gave them an anti-everything-in-the-air unit, which was basically the only thing the deathball was missing.
40-60 mutalisks at a time
Yes, but it's the same as a thor. If you spread your air units out, that won't happen.
Magic box won't work with that kind of aoe. You want to spread out 40-60 mutas manually? Also this will destroy mass corruptors as well probably. You think you'll have the time to spread out corruptors while microing around forcefields, fungaling, injecting, and making more units all during the same battle while protoss can potentially just a move with a few ff thrown in?
Well it'll be balanced by the time it comes out anyways. You can most likely magic box, but then target them down with the mutas. Also, I don't think I've ever really seen a PvZ where the zerg has over 25 or so mutas anyways.
On October 23 2011 23:34 Match wrote: I think hard unit counters are bullshit. You should be able to beat a supposed counter with the unit that's weak against it, like marines vs banelings. The design team saying that the tempest was made to take out 40-60 mutalisks at a time is such bullshit. Hard counters just shouldn't exist; previously you could magic box the Thors, but apparently the splash is too large to do that with tempests. And I love how they didn't want to add to the deathball philosophy for protoss.. so they gave them an anti-everything-in-the-air unit, which was basically the only thing the deathball was missing.
40-60 mutalisks at a time
Yes, but it's the same as a thor. If you spread your air units out, that won't happen.
Magic box won't work with that kind of aoe. You want to spread out 40-60 mutas manually? Also this will destroy mass corruptors as well probably. You think you'll have the time to spread out corruptors while microing around forcefields, fungaling, injecting, and making more units all during the same battle while protoss can potentially just a move with a few ff thrown in?
Well it'll be balanced by the time it comes out anyways. You can most likely magic box, but then target them down with the mutas. Also, I don't think I've ever really seen a PvZ where the zerg has over 25 or so mutas anyways.
It's not uncommon. I played myself many times where I get 40+ mutas, but well made protoss death ball should be able to deal with them in head to head battle no problem.
On October 23 2011 19:41 FrostFire626 wrote: This Zerg freaking loves HoTS. I was discussing with friends about what changes I would most like to see, and one of them was an ability to break deathballs and heavily defended chokes. Enter ultralisk burrow, reverse dark swarm, and the viper pull ability. I got exactly what I wished for.
As a side note, some people are way, way too afraid of change. Developers should never be afraid to change core gameplay because of players (often exaggerated) fears. The "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality resulted in Modern Warfare #. Blizzard's willingness to go out on a limb and actually be creative is something that should be encouraged, not feared.
If you read the polls, over 70% like the Zerg units, so no wonder you/your friend liked it. The same can not be said about the Protoss/Terran units though.
HOLY SHIT I just saw a youtube vid of a guy playing as protoss.... Replicants only take 30 seconds to make at the Robo.... 30 SECONDS with chrono that's like NOTHING... I don't care if it costs a fortune, could you imagine if you had 4 robo's late game with a huge bank, you could remax with an army of Voidrays or Immortals nearly TWICE as fast
Voidrays/Immortals/Siege tanks/Banshees/Ravens/Infestors/Ghosts with 20ish second build time... Oh god that's going to be fucking RIGHTEOUS! Sure it costs more... but 20 FUCKING SECONDS!
On October 23 2011 19:41 FrostFire626 wrote: This Zerg freaking loves HoTS. I was discussing with friends about what changes I would most like to see, and one of them was an ability to break deathballs and heavily defended chokes. Enter ultralisk burrow, reverse dark swarm, and the viper pull ability. I got exactly what I wished for.
As a side note, some people are way, way too afraid of change. Developers should never be afraid to change core gameplay because of players (often exaggerated) fears. The "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality resulted in Modern Warfare #. Blizzard's willingness to go out on a limb and actually be creative is something that should be encouraged, not feared.
If you read the polls, over 70% like the Zerg units, so no wonder you/your friend liked it. The same can not be said about the Protoss/Terran units though.
If the polls were separated by the voters race we would have better idea. Now it is not clear if the players don't like units they will get or the units they will have to deal with from the opponent.
Why is blizzard obsessed with trying to put hero units into the game? Do zergs get kerrigan in the next expansion too? Seriously. Am I the only one that noticed the thor is now the odin?
On October 24 2011 00:25 Stropheum wrote: Why is blizzard obsessed with trying to put hero units into the game? Do zergs get kerrigan in the next expansion too? Seriously. Am I the only one that noticed the thor is now the odin?
its not a hero unit so yes ur the only one i guess
On October 24 2011 00:24 ShatterZer0 wrote: HOLY SHIT I just saw a youtube vid of a guy playing as protoss.... Replicants only take 30 seconds to make at the Robo.... 30 SECONDS with chrono that's like NOTHING... I don't care if it costs a fortune, could you imagine if you had 4 robo's late game with a huge bank, you could remax with an army of Voidrays or Immortals nearly TWICE as fast
Voidrays/Immortals/Siege tanks/Banshees/Ravens/Infestors/Ghosts with 20ish second build time... Oh god that's going to be fucking RIGHTEOUS! Sure it costs more... but 20 FUCKING SECONDS!
On October 24 2011 00:31 oni_link wrote: yea all thumbs down for hero units, i hope the new thor doesnt get much attention in 1on1, for fun its okay i guess
It's even incredibly dangerous: Thor can be repaired!
I'm still curious as to why Blizzard has given Terran a Zerg unit. The Reaper is quick and mobile, has a high DPS but dies quickly in return, and now can heal itself without the support of a medivac outside of battle now. Seems awfully Zergish to me.
I really like the Reaper as a unit, it's ability in Wing of Liberty to snipe buildings is pretty awesome. Now they've gone and removed that ability and added a regen ability? I don't see how that makes them anymore viable. Without a speed boost they still get targeted by Marines and Stalkers before they can get in and do terrible terrible damage. Maybe it's because I'm a newb at this game but I don't see how the Reaper's viability has changed or improved at all. Especially now that they won't be Tech / Production destroyers.
On October 24 2011 00:24 ShatterZer0 wrote: HOLY SHIT I just saw a youtube vid of a guy playing as protoss.... Replicants only take 30 seconds to make at the Robo.... 30 SECONDS with chrono that's like NOTHING... I don't care if it costs a fortune, could you imagine if you had 4 robo's late game with a huge bank, you could remax with an army of Voidrays or Immortals nearly TWICE as fast
Voidrays/Immortals/Siege tanks/Banshees/Ravens/Infestors/Ghosts with 20ish second build time... Oh god that's going to be fucking RIGHTEOUS! Sure it costs more... but 20 FUCKING SECONDS!
Yes, but they cost 4 supply each... so you can't have as many...
On October 24 2011 00:42 Koreish wrote: I'm still curious as to why Blizzard has given Terran a Zerg unit. The Reaper is quick and mobile, has a high DPS but dies quickly in return, and now can heal itself without the support of a medivac outside of battle now. Seems awfully Zergish to me.
I really like the Reaper as a unit, it's ability in Wing of Liberty to snipe buildings is pretty awesome. Now they've gone and removed that ability and added a regen ability? I don't see how that makes them anymore viable. Without a speed boost they still get targeted by Marines and Stalkers before they can get in and do terrible terrible damage. Maybe it's because I'm a newb at this game but I don't see how the Reaper's viability has changed or improved at all. Especially now that they won't be Tech / Production destroyers.
The reason that terran got medivacs is because medics could not keep up with the reaper, i don't know why they want to give reapers a passive health regen when they are useless past early game harass.
On October 24 2011 00:24 ShatterZer0 wrote: HOLY SHIT I just saw a youtube vid of a guy playing as protoss.... Replicants only take 30 seconds to make at the Robo.... 30 SECONDS with chrono that's like NOTHING... I don't care if it costs a fortune, could you imagine if you had 4 robo's late game with a huge bank, you could remax with an army of Voidrays or Immortals nearly TWICE as fast
Voidrays/Immortals/Siege tanks/Banshees/Ravens/Infestors/Ghosts with 20ish second build time... Oh god that's going to be fucking RIGHTEOUS! Sure it costs more... but 20 FUCKING SECONDS!
On October 24 2011 00:24 ShatterZer0 wrote: HOLY SHIT I just saw a youtube vid of a guy playing as protoss.... Replicants only take 30 seconds to make at the Robo.... 30 SECONDS with chrono that's like NOTHING... I don't care if it costs a fortune, could you imagine if you had 4 robo's late game with a huge bank, you could remax with an army of Voidrays or Immortals nearly TWICE as fast
Voidrays/Immortals/Siege tanks/Banshees/Ravens/Infestors/Ghosts with 20ish second build time... Oh god that's going to be fucking RIGHTEOUS! Sure it costs more... but 20 FUCKING SECONDS!
EPT
