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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:49 Blossom wrote: Yes, but they cost 4 supply each... so you can't have as many... Immortals are 4 supply already. When I say remax I mean reinforce.... plus, +1 supply to tanks/voids in a pinch is COMPLETELY worth the trade off. | ||
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tztztz
Germany314 Posts
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:57 dark_dragoon10 wrote: so i cant magic box kill the tempest? i think i can, it wont take out 40 mutas... maybe 20 if the splash is high 20 or 40 what's the difference? In both cases it's completelly unnecessary and OP. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
Sounds reasonable, it is supposed to be a clutch defence unit much like zerglings or hydralisks. Kind of stupid if it wasn't, it would defeat the entire purpose if by the time it finished production the banshee had already wiped out half the probes. Replicators does become powerful with good imagination and micro, imagine, replicating the 4 BFH run-by and then counter-pushing with your own zealot/stalker/BFH? wow, Terran better be careful what they raid with. lol. Although this would mean 2 medivac 16 marine drops become more popular as having a replicated medivac heal zealots can be kited but BFH and banshee runbys can wreck a T if unprepared. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:07 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: Sounds reasonable, it is supposed to be a clutch defence unit much like zerglings or hydralisks. Kind of stupid if it wasn't, it would defeat the entire purpose if by the time it finished production the banshee had already wiped out half the probes. Replicators does become powerful with good imagination and micro, imagine, replicating the 4 BFH run-by and then counter-pushing with your own zealot/stalker/BFH? wow, Terran better be careful what they raid with. lol. Although this would mean 2 medivac 16 marine drops become more popular as having a replicated medivac heal zealots can be kited but BFH and banshee runbys can wreck a T if unprepared. I really like the idea of chargelots with medivacs........drools | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
i am interested to see what happens with the thor however | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:24 sick_transit wrote: I am very unhappy about loss of the overseer. Zerg scouting is hard enough. The ocular parasite spell is not as good as the overseer. Overlord speed is how you scout. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:11 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: I really like these new changes and units and am super interested to see them in action. the one thing i can't really understand however is the reaper change... i mean i see why they gave them the hp regen because they're so weak and underused in the mid/late game that they'd want to give them something to perhaps be seen more, but removing d-8 charge is completely retarded as now a single static D in a mineral line, like a cannon or spinecrawler will completely negate the reaper as the reaper used to be able to take that building down, but, and it can't kill buildings before it dies so it can't kill workers... i'm not sure what the purpose of the reaper is anymore. i am interested to see what happens with the thor however Reaper scout and unit harass and occasionally used as spotter for tanks instead of floating factory. | ||
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dragonblade369
Canada464 Posts
They say that they do good damage against light flight units. This means that they are good against Muta/Phoenix/Banshee. Only mutalisks are massed in a realistic situation. So for its AoE air ability, it is only used for mutas. Now, since it is massive and armored, I assume that, like colossus, the Tempest will get raped by Vikings and Corruptors. Vikings have a range of 9. Carriers can do decently against them due to deploy range of 8 and hit range of 12. But for tempest, which has a range of 4 (according do forum posters), they will be completely useless. The same case for corruptors. I am having a difficult time to imagine a real use for Tempest. I really hope that the main focus will be AtG instead  . | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:17 dragonblade369 wrote: I just have a question concerning Tempests. They say that they do good damage against light flight units. This means that they are good against Muta/Phoenix/Banshee. Only mutalisks are massed in a realistic situation. So for its AoE air ability, it is only used for mutas. Now, since it is massive and armored, I assume that, like colossus, the Tempest will get raped by Vikings and Corruptors. Vikings have a range of 9. Carriers can do decently against them due to deploy range of 8 and hit range of 12. But for tempest, which has a range of 4 (according do forum posters), they will be completely useless. The same case for corruptors. I am having a difficult time to imagine a real use for Tempest. I really hope that the main focus will be AtG instead .They are completely useless. A late game 300/300 unit that costs 6 supply and requires end game tech to deal with a mid game problem that isn't actually a real problem. From the video its range looks terrible as well. This unit was designed for casual bronzies who can't figure out wtf to do against muta's. | ||
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DoLookMoreLike
155 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:03 tztztz wrote: question: will the corruptor still have the corruption ability? No, I don't think so. I'm fairly sure the siphon ability will replace it. | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:25 Snorkle wrote: They are completely useless. A late game 300/300 unit that costs 6 supply and requires end game tech to deal with a mid game problem that isn't actually a real problem. From the video its range looks terrible as well. This unit was designed for casual bronzies who can't figure out wtf to do against muta's. This... The Tempest actually sounds even worse then the carrier which was not THAT bad against vikings | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:25 Snorkle wrote: They are completely useless. A late game 300/300 unit that costs 6 supply and requires end game tech to deal with a mid game problem that isn't actually a real problem. From the video its range looks terrible as well. This unit was designed for casual bronzies who can't figure out wtf to do against muta's. You could be onto to something, either speed, range, damage or cost needs to be buffed. ATM it's flying thor -1, does less damage than thor at cost of bigger splash radius, 35 AtG vs thor's 33 x2. You are right, Terran response to Tempest/Colossi/stalker/zealot/sentry would be to have more vikings. Going air protoss, having replicators to replicate the vikings and ravens would be critical to winning. | ||
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DoLookMoreLike
155 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:17 dragonblade369 wrote: I just have a question concerning Tempests. They say that they do good damage against light flight units. This means that they are good against Muta/Phoenix/Banshee. Only mutalisks are massed in a realistic situation. So for its AoE air ability, it is only used for mutas. Now, since it is massive and armored, I assume that, like colossus, the Tempest will get raped by Vikings and Corruptors. Vikings have a range of 9. Carriers can do decently against them due to deploy range of 8 and hit range of 12. But for tempest, which has a range of 4 (according do forum posters), they will be completely useless. The same case for corruptors. I am having a difficult time to imagine a real use for Tempest. I really hope that the main focus will be AtG instead .To me it seems like a very poorly designed unit. It's basically a hard counter to mutas. Give then mutalisks are very rarely used in pro-level ZvP, I don't see this unit (in it's current form) being used any more than the carrier. | ||
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muffinsssss
29 Posts
On October 23 2011 13:58 Ryder. wrote: What? First of all did you even watch that video of Tempests fighting mutas? That was 4 tempests (1200min/1200gas) and the mutas all died but they didn't instantly vanish...2nd tempests get bonus damage to light, overlords are armored so we have no idea what kind of damage they would do, and 3rd they are meant to be only slightly faster than carriers, you think protoss is gonna risk flying in a 300/300 slow unit just to kill a couple of overlords? God damn it man think. Lol I was joking. Forums aren't the best medium for sarcasm I guess. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On October 24 2011 01:31 -y0shi- wrote: This... The Tempest actually sounds even worse then the carrier which was not THAT bad against vikings Worse then Carriers? What? Tempest Bad? Lol...it builds in 75 seconds. Carrier takes 120+32 for interceptors. With 2 chronos we can get it in 55 seconds? Thats soo fast for a capital ship. It can never lose its ability to attack. Dont have to keep pouring resources into it to keep its attack up. Moves faster then carrier. How can you say something is bad when its still in its alpha stage. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
The problem if not addressed would be the time and cost. Would be 100/200 and 40 seconds for detection to be able to leave a base and 100/100 and 60 seconds to be able to scout somehwat effectively, compared to the 50/50 and 17 seconds to do both as it stands at the moment. I'm certain these concerns will be addressed in some way so I'm too worried yet but it's not as simple as just Overlord Speed. | ||
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DE4DhunTer
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
The Protoss units are the most disappointing. They all seem very gimmicky and based on hard counters. And why did they not remove the Collossus? Bleh! | ||
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