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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4301
viper is zerg's only detector, replacing the overseer?

This seems a little bit scary.
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4302
On October 22 2011 08:35 lariat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:32 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:30 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:24 VillageBC wrote:
Heart of the Swarm apparently means ripping out the Zerg heart and giving it to Protoss.

Perma NP was good, but Clone is even better!
You thought canon rushing was bad, now just need to do a normal build with and just warp in a pylon.
Phoenix's, blink stalker and storm wasn't good enough to counter mutas, have some tempest.
Mining, bah! You don't need that 2 oracles can disable 4 spores and 4 mineral patches.

But hey, at least I can pull a colossus off a cliff.




Wait you can't even do that Protoss can Just Mass Recall when you do that.

Zerg got what a Gimped Lurker? That's about it WOW HOLY CRAP REVELATION


You get hydra speed, burrow-move banelings, lurkers (how do you know it's gimped? It shoots 2 16 damage 0.875 attack speed broodlings, that seems pretty decent), defilers, ultras that no longer block unit pathing with burrow charge, and a new corruptor ability. Do you want an auto-win button?



Hi friend. Haven't seen anything about it elsewhere?\..

Would you be so kind to describe what burrow charge does exactly? Thanks And what's the new corruptor ability?
Andytaker
Profile Joined April 2011
88 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4303
--- Nuked ---
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4304
On October 22 2011 08:37 ifonlyiwereawsum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:36 PPTouch wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:34 Shikyo wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:31 TheDougler wrote:
So how do people think PvP has changed with this?


Poll: New PvP?

Still the same. Blink stalkers and then war of the worlds. (13)
 
68%

Changed, because of oracle or tempest (4)
 
21%

Other (please state!) (2)
 
11%

Arc Shield Changes everything, late game air vs air battle here we come! (0)
 
0%

19 total votes

Your vote: New PvP?

(Vote): Arc Shield Changes everything, late game air vs air battle here we come!
(Vote): Still the same. Blink stalkers and then war of the worlds.
(Vote): Changed, because of oracle or tempest
(Vote): Other (please state!)




Personally, I think it'll be pretty similar to how it is now. Colossus still seems like the best bet late game.

Save up 100 energy, build 4 pylons next to opponent, make all of them cannons that destroy enemy nexus

That's my vision, hopefully it will become true



the problem with the arc shields in pvp is that think about a 3 pylon block off...

but you dont need a cannon and just make the pylons :/


Also, Joshy said that it only brought a single SCV to like 5 hp. I mean, I am sure this will get buffed but by how much? And you are wasting energy you could be using on chronoboost =P


damage is like photon cannon vs light according to pc gamer.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4305
When did T-shirt+Blazer become the standard attire for eSports commentators? All the Koreans wear suits and ties.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:39:34
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4306
On October 22 2011 08:34 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:31 TheDougler wrote:
So how do people think PvP has changed with this?


Poll: New PvP?

Still the same. Blink stalkers and then war of the worlds. (13)
 
68%

Changed, because of oracle or tempest (4)
 
21%

Other (please state!) (2)
 
11%

Arc Shield Changes everything, late game air vs air battle here we come! (0)
 
0%

19 total votes

Your vote: New PvP?

(Vote): Arc Shield Changes everything, late game air vs air battle here we come!
(Vote): Still the same. Blink stalkers and then war of the worlds.
(Vote): Changed, because of oracle or tempest
(Vote): Other (please state!)




Personally, I think it'll be pretty similar to how it is now. Colossus still seems like the best bet late game.

Save up 100 energy, build 4 pylons next to opponent, make all of them cannons that destroy enemy nexus

That's my vision, hopefully it will become true


Sorry to burst that bubble, but it's like a 20-second long Photon Cannon that only damages Light units. It's for helping against early game rushes (Lings, Marines, Zealots, Reapers) and mid-game harassment (hellions, banshees, etc.), and you need a Gateway to use it, so it won't help a Cannon rush much, if at all.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4307
On October 22 2011 08:35 avengaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:32 Whitewing wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:30 avengaar wrote:
Dude I'm so excited for the oracles ability to tell me what a building is building! DUDE WHAT IS THAT BARRACKS BUILDING?! oh marines.... WHATS THE STARPORT WITH A TECH LAB BUILDING?!! oh a banshee... MAYBE I CAN FINALLY STOP LOSING TO SECRET MEDVAC ENERGY TIMING PUSHES! OH AND I CAN KNOW IF THEY ARE GETTING BUILDING ARMOR AND NOT +1!!!


Yeah, these were my initial thoughts, but I thought about it some more, and it is useful in some cases. If I see a lair researching for example, I'd want to know if he's getting burrow or ovie drops. If I see a roach warren researching, it'd be nice to know if he's getting tunneling claws or speed before it's done. It's also useful on tech labs on barracks to see if it's combat shields first or stim first.


Are you really going to build a unit so you can see if they are getting combat shields or stim first though? Like the burrow/drop is the only thing i could think of that would be slightly useful but still extremely situational. Like I'm not ever going to use that... like what am I honstly doing to prepare for the choice of combat shield over stim.

Yea, but a little aggression can tell you if they have burrow, and speed is a HUGE give away for drops.. I really don't see any point of this. The unit itself is pretty pointless imo.. just get rid of it.
Jaedong.
BlindSC2
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:40:58
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4308
Mass recall on the nexus sounds pretty damn awesome, I assume its going to be implemented something like simply costing 100/150/200 energy to use (instead of chronoboost). But I'll miss the mothership, having mass recall AND the base cloaked means it isn't going to die at all.

Replicant sounds........ interesting. Either stupidly OP or stupidly useless. Mules obviously come to mind but toss need more gas than minerals.. stalkers in bunkers? SENTRIES?!?!?!?!? Replicate a raven, put down 2 pdds to protect colossus from vikings?

Imagine probes mining from a PF

build ghosts, EMP THEIR GHOSTS?!?! ?BWAHAAHAHAHA

Replicate an overlord, drop creep to deny their expos ! .... wait.....

Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools; because they have to say something - Plato
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4309
On October 22 2011 08:37 XRaDiiX wrote:
~David said they are trying to not make the viper so expensive so that detection is impossible, or too high up in the tech tree but not too cheap so that the pull ability can be abused.
~Apparently, they do read the forums.
~They said they were going to watch the mules in case they ever get imba


____
Uhm OUTRAGE WTF

This is supposed to be the Zerg Expansion !!!!!!!!

So they make the detection come so late that the pull can't be abused but do they remember that even with overseers Zerg usually STILL struggles to get detection in time for banshees...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4310
Corruptors still sound lame as hell
Just throw them out
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
October 21 2011 23:38 GMT
#4311
On October 22 2011 08:36 TehTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Corrupters now have a channeled ability against building that gives one mineral a second and does 1dps.

I'm thinking CORRUPTER HARRASS!


Rofl, agreed, now i'll make 20 corrupters and send them into your base to poop on your buildings for a few minutes. Please don't attack them, it's not fair.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4312
On October 22 2011 08:38 Oboeman wrote:
viper is zerg's only detector, replacing the overseer?

This seems a little bit scary.



Oh that's the Least of your Worries Look what David Kim has to say about it.

~David said they are trying to not make the viper so expensive so that detection is impossible, or too high up in the tech tree but not too cheap so that the pull ability can be abused.
~Apparently, they do read the forums.
~They said they were going to watch the mules in case they ever get imba
Never GG MKP | IdrA
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:39:44
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4313
On October 22 2011 08:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
I love people that complain about units they have never used in a game they never played...

Why is it wrong to complain about units with abilities that are clearly broken or totally wrong for the nature of the game?
I can guarantee you that that Viper pull-in ability will never go live,not in a million years.
Why wouldn't you complain about a obviously stupid unit or ability so they stop wasting time on it or re work asap.
Cackle™
SnowK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:41:16
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4314
On October 22 2011 08:36 PPTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:34 Shikyo wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:31 TheDougler wrote:
So how do people think PvP has changed with this?


Poll: New PvP?

Still the same. Blink stalkers and then war of the worlds. (13)
 
68%

Changed, because of oracle or tempest (4)
 
21%

Other (please state!) (2)
 
11%

Arc Shield Changes everything, late game air vs air battle here we come! (0)
 
0%

19 total votes

Your vote: New PvP?

(Vote): Arc Shield Changes everything, late game air vs air battle here we come!
(Vote): Still the same. Blink stalkers and then war of the worlds.
(Vote): Changed, because of oracle or tempest
(Vote): Other (please state!)




Personally, I think it'll be pretty similar to how it is now. Colossus still seems like the best bet late game.

Save up 100 energy, build 4 pylons next to opponent, make all of them cannons that destroy enemy nexus

That's my vision, hopefully it will become true



the problem with the arc shields in pvp is that think about a 3 pylon block off...

but you dont need a cannon and just make the pylons :/


Arc Shield has a duration. If you put 3 up on those 3 pylons, the other guy just moves away for the duration.

p.s., currently lasts 20 seconds
"Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'" - Liquid`Jinro
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4315
On October 22 2011 08:38 Andytaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:34 Belisarius wrote:
...do people realise the shredder has the exact same dps as storm?

In a radius of at least 7?

wat.

yeah and it doesnt require Energy and you dont need to micro it that much-> Pretty sure there will be a nerf, this is just the ultimate defensive and siege unit

-> Expo into Shredder my new strat

holy shit you just put that in front of your natural choke and mass orbitals O_O
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4316
Do Mutas outrange Shredders? if not, Can Mutas be micro'd to hit shredders in between pulses without getting hit?
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
bRiz
Profile Joined August 2011
United States113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:40:04
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4317
none of the new units have any microability...dissapointed.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4318
On October 22 2011 08:38 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:37 XRaDiiX wrote:
~David said they are trying to not make the viper so expensive so that detection is impossible, or too high up in the tech tree but not too cheap so that the pull ability can be abused.
~Apparently, they do read the forums.
~They said they were going to watch the mules in case they ever get imba


____
Uhm OUTRAGE WTF

This is supposed to be the Zerg Expansion !!!!!!!!

So they make the detection come so late that the pull can't be abused but do they remember that even with overseers Zerg usually STILL struggles to get detection in time for banshees...


Yeah i'm wondering if they thought about 1 base cloaked banshee then 2 base DT or something. It almost forces rushed lair because you can't just morph an overlord anymore as soon as you hit lair.

not happy with zergs continued de-evolution with detection.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 23:40:41
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4319
Good grief, with all the comments here you'd wonder why HotS should be released. This is obviously terrible !

Too many people talking about the problems caused by the new enemy units and too few talking about the possibilities of their own race´s units.

I'm just sad we did not get Zealots on Hooverboards.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
October 21 2011 23:39 GMT
#4320
On October 22 2011 08:38 Juvant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:35 lariat wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:32 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:30 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 08:24 VillageBC wrote:
Heart of the Swarm apparently means ripping out the Zerg heart and giving it to Protoss.

Perma NP was good, but Clone is even better!
You thought canon rushing was bad, now just need to do a normal build with and just warp in a pylon.
Phoenix's, blink stalker and storm wasn't good enough to counter mutas, have some tempest.
Mining, bah! You don't need that 2 oracles can disable 4 spores and 4 mineral patches.

But hey, at least I can pull a colossus off a cliff.




Wait you can't even do that Protoss can Just Mass Recall when you do that.

Zerg got what a Gimped Lurker? That's about it WOW HOLY CRAP REVELATION


You get hydra speed, burrow-move banelings, lurkers (how do you know it's gimped? It shoots 2 16 damage 0.875 attack speed broodlings, that seems pretty decent), defilers, ultras that no longer block unit pathing with burrow charge, and a new corruptor ability. Do you want an auto-win button?



Hi friend. Haven't seen anything about it elsewhere?\..

Would you be so kind to describe what burrow charge does exactly? Thanks And what's the new corruptor ability?


Ultralisks get this ability like zealot charge, except it's probably manual cast. They burrow, rush forward, and pop up and start attacking. You can see it in the new trailer. The new corruptor ability siphons health away from enemy buildings and gives you money. Not terribly great, but you can always use more money.
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