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On October 22 2011 04:52 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 04:50 SolidMoose wrote:
Anyone have any ideas what the transformed hellions extra "durability" is?
I'm thinking maybe it loses its light classification and gains a point of armor or something. I don't see how its health could get changed upon transforming. Seems pretty worthless tbh. Hellions mobility was always more useful in terms of survivability than HP was. It'll only be useful if the transformation time is pretty much zero. Any sort of delay on that and it'll only be used in big set-piece battles where Hellions are already not really useful.
More armor judging by the 2 shields it holds in the new transformation.
If it was a health buff then re-calculating the health during transformations would be confusing.
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On October 22 2011 04:52 syllogism wrote:Courtesy to playxp (translation via reddit) Show nested quote +Oracle can warp buildings away to stop attacks on your own structures, or stop research for enemy structures
Oracle can see research or production of enemy structures
Replicant can transform into non massive units
Mass recall now available on Nexus
Recalled units are unable to move for a few seconds
Warhound is good at killing siege tanks, but has a short range
You can only have ONE THOR ON THE FIELD AT A TIME, but it becomes BIG AGAIN LIKE IN ALPHA/BETA
Thor attack and health increased
Instead of air attack, Thor gets a massive bombardment skill
Bombardment requires a skill similar to siege mode, this requires a fusioncore and an armory
Battle Hellion has higher health and shorter range
Ghost cloak changed and now spends a specific amount of energy, lasting for a certain period of time
Ghost cloak is no longer an on/off skill
Battlecruiser gets a cooldown skill called "limit reactor"(?) that boosts movement speed
Reaper loses d8 charge attack
Reaper gains a HP recovery skill
Viper inserts parasite into friendly units to make them detectors
Corruptor loses corrupt and gets a new skill called "absorb"(?) that damages enemy structures and turns them into resources
Banelings can move burrowed
Hydralisks gain a speed upgrade
No more overseers http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lka02/lots_of_more_hots_changes_from_the_korean_press/"warp buildings away" is probably like a temporary cloak for the building
Stasis maybe? There was some kind of icy stasis in trailer.
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On October 22 2011 04:55 cz wrote:
Argggh, lowering the range of the Battle Hellion makes it feel useless. I still think normal Hellions are easier to keep from dying just due to their mobility. HP is nice and all but at the pro level mobility > hp because micro is so good. I can't see Battle Hellions being used much at all, except for maybe in a heavy hellion harass into all-in attack with say marines and battle hellions.
Hellion mode for harass and micro, Firebat mode for bio support like in BW imo.
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On October 22 2011 04:47 Cain0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 04:41 EnderCraft wrote:On October 22 2011 04:38 XRaDiiX wrote:On October 22 2011 04:35 Novalisk wrote:
I hope the viper pull gets removed/changed, it looks really awkward. Yeah it is really awkward but i'm going to love yanking those Colossus out of Protoss Death Balls :D Well... Look at the old Neural Parasite. Instead of keeping them out of the battle you just grab them and kill them  . Colossus are already a unit that needs to be babysat constantly... It is VERY easy to get a colossus killed if it gets anywhere near the main Zerg army. This just makes the colossus kind of useless don't ya think? Good, the collossus is a catastrophy in game design and the reason that protoss meta game hasnt developed, fuck that unit.
I agree wholeheartedly, it must go in HotS. Also, have anyone seen a pattern in the voting? Majority love the Zerg units which is basically BW all over again, while new non BW units for Terran and Protoss gets dislike.
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On October 22 2011 04:50 cz wrote:
One of the problems with announcing this is that it effectively turns Starcraft 2 right now into a lame-duck game. Why come up with new strategies when most of them are going to be invalidated/need to be heavily modified come HotS release? Are the games played today really going to be cared about 2-3 years from now, or are they going to be forgotten as "vanilla" games?
Everyone knew an expansion was coming before the units were announced. I just hope that HOTS doesn't break the game and we get a fractured community.
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On October 22 2011 04:53 mTw|NarutO wrote:
-_- moveable burrow banelings, pulling the best units into the swarm and distrubtion web? T_T~~ I don't want to cry, but .. wow.
Lol yeah I feel ya. Feels like they try to hard to make things "cool" or something. :/
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On October 22 2011 04:46 Eschaton wrote:
side note: mono battles with replicators should be fun
I hope these don't wreck mono's altogether. On a positive note, I am liking the new hellion. Basically a firebat.
Hello mmmf 
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So protoss lost two units and go three new ones? I was really hoping for a ground based harass unit that could kill workers instead of.. power them down or whatever is going on with that thing.
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banelings can move burrowed :O I hope they move slower than reavers in SC1.
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On October 22 2011 04:53 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 04:51 LoLAdriankat wrote:
ZvP: Viper pulls colossus. Replicant turns into viper. Replicant-viper pulls colossus back.
Hot potato Viper pulls Replicant. Replicant turns into colossus. Zerg wins.
Replicant's can't turn into massive units -_-.
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On October 22 2011 04:55 cz wrote:
Argggh, lowering the range of the Battle Hellion makes it feel useless. I still think normal Hellions are easier to keep from dying just due to their mobility. HP is nice and all but at the pro level mobility > hp because micro is so good. I can't see Battle Hellions being used much at all, except for maybe in a heavy hellion harass into all-in attack with say marines and battle hellions.
Will have to wait and see how much stronger they are in battle before saying that. But it's definitely the most boring of the units introduced. :\
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On October 22 2011 04:44 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 04:42 Kroml. wrote:
I might quit sc2 or stay on WoL if this game is going to be about 5000 rpg-like spells on shiny big units. More spells = More micro = Higher Skill to play. Makes the game a lot more fun in my opinion.
that isn't true at all. Spreading marines needs a lot of micro. throwing emps, storms or fungals with smartcasting is easy as fuck LOL
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On October 22 2011 04:55 lowercase wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 04:51 Lunares wrote:On October 22 2011 04:46 hangarninetysix wrote:
Why does every unit have to have a retarded gimmick? Why can't we have units like the old dragoon, that had a simple concept, and was difficult to master. In the hands of a skilled player it was great, but was super clunky for noobs. A superbly designed unit, intentionally or not. I wish we had more units like that in SC2. Wait..did you just call the dragoon "superbly designed"? It was a hard to micro unit specifically because it's pathing algorithim was poorly designed. That was not on purpose, at all. It turned out to be a great unit sheerly by luck, not by purposeful design. One might argue that BW *itself* became a competitive game by luck, not by design.
I don't think it's arguable .
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Holy crap. I got the sickest nerd chills from watching the trailer!
Here we were all concerned about how adding 1 unit for each race might chance the balance and now it looks like we get an almost completly NEW GAME!!!
HoTS looks sick!! absolutely epic. Will it also turn out to be? Man, I cant wait.
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so, powerful combos for replication:
Fungal Growth + Storm (or Colossus) A FG+Storm deals 110 undodgable damage (120 vs. armored) which is pretty insane.
SCV repair + Protoss mech units. This is HUGE. Park some SCVs with your Colossi and watch them never die, or recall a badly damaged gateway-robo army and repair them up before attacking again.
Immortal+Siege Tank. The most unbreakable mech line ever vs. anything on the ground.
If it works on air units, which we dont have confirmation of, you also have
Medivac+Chargelots, which would be crazy potent
PDD+ Guardian shield, aka I am now immune to ranged armies
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Nexus mass recall for 75 energy confirmed.
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On October 22 2011 04:38 Smurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 04:36 Mortal wrote:On October 22 2011 04:35 Smurphy wrote:The Colossus is still in the game...  do you even see the other units? and you're worried about the colossus? Yes. I play Random. I want to play Protoss. PvP stinks. It degrades into Colossus fights. I don't wnt Colossus fights. Hence, I don't play Protoss because 1/3 of my games are no fun. Win or lose, I don't have fun in PvP.
That's waht the tempest/ replicator are for! You can fight colossus with air units now, or just create your own colossus for cheaper!
edit: nvm, you can't replicate colossus. :S you still have tempest though.
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Replicants turn into marines.
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On October 22 2011 01:05 raNraN- wrote:
wow.... can't wait things are going to be so OP
I don't think that word means what you think it does.
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im expecting some massive raven buff. Or at least there should fcuking be
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