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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 14 2011 04:21 alwaid wrote: I think what we really need is some TL Staff to voice opinions on this since, ultimately, it is up to them what is represented on the front page of TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274690¤tpage=32#629 Already voiced. | ||
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firalol
United States51 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On October 14 2011 03:54 xBillehx wrote: "Unexpected IPL3 Winner Dominates in an Amazing Fashion" works just fine, and the pictures can be in the actual post. This is for things that are within 24 hours. If it's after, which I really think should be fine for casual visitors then by all means I don't think spoilers should be protected. To these new visitors does it really matter whether the event ended 4 hours ago or 1 day ago? The hype will feel lackluster, besides why should we who watch the events live, be punished by the inconvinience of others | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
I go to ESPN.com for sports news. I go to TL.net to watch SC2 live or find links to VODs. I go to TL.net for esports news. -- Now throw in the fact that we are an international site with many timezones and schedules. Is the difference clear enough there? As the hub for both the viewing experience and the news, the only way we can accommodate both is if we keep the front page spoiler free for at least some time. As far as spoilers go? Yes, they are a big deal. If you spoil something for me somewhere where you were not supposed to, I would probably ban you. I am the type of person who does not watch trailers for movies because it spoils 2 minutes of the movie for me. Some people care a lot and it detracts from the viewing experience. I'd even go as far as to say spoilering the results ahead of time would be hurting esports more by not allowing the delayed viewers the same epic experience as the live viewers. And no, this is not hurting ESPORTS. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
 In my opinion it should be ok to talk about results as soon as they happened, I don't really feel the same excitement when I watch the VOD of a tournament, even if I don't know who won, as opposed to watching it live. So if one is not able to watch live, because of time zone differences, that's just bad luck and he shouldn't expect everyone else to spoil-tag their posts, just so he and a few others won't get spoiled. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On October 14 2011 04:47 Blasterion wrote: The hype will feel lackluster, besides why should we who watch the events live, be punished by the inconvinience of others If by inconvenience you mean actual lives, work, school and hell, just living on the other side of the planet that which they have no control over then I dunno what to tell you. One day of waiting, posting hype in LR threads, fanclubs, and politely marked threads (all of which those wary of spoilers avoid properly) sounds a hell of a lot less rude than ruining other's enjoyment of the games because you must spam new topics immediately. The hype will feel lackluster? Really? I thought we were talking about casual visitors here, people just getting interested in e-Sports. I find it hard to believe people who don't even know who Stephano is would be more hyped for a title saying "Stephano Dominates" over one talking about an unexpected winner dominating in an amazing fashion. + Show Spoiler + For the record I catch nearly every event live, even the GSL at 5am in the morning, so I'm hardly affected by spoilers. The difference is I respect my fellow TL members enough to be polite and wait a day for them to catch up, all the meanwhile I'm able to read/post about the games in LR threads, fanclubs and spoiler marked discussion threads. If I can do this why can't you? Edit: An addition for the newer users around here: TL Commandment #2, fourth bullet down. | ||
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
Any system that is primary VOD based, and one's enjoyment comes from ignorance of the result, having a spoiler free environment is paramount. It is not ruining anything. The behavior you see on various sites is a product of the way the information / activity is consumed. | ||
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OmyVi
United States137 Posts
Spoilers are for little girls that dont appreciate the WAY the game was won, the final result is much less interesting in my opinion. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
First thing I do in morning is check all results I missed, then at work I follow live reports of gsl. When I get home I check whichever game sounded cool on vod. But guess that's just me | ||
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
On October 14 2011 05:14 OmyVi wrote: Personally, I'd like to see results for the 'major' tournaments on the front page.. IPL, NASL, MLG, GSL... etc. Spoilers are for little girls that dont appreciate the WAY the game was won, the final result is much less interesting in my opinion. Your signature disqualifies you from having a legitimate opinion. + Show Spoiler + Top 4 in the History of GSL by race, Zerg:13 Protoss:14 Terran:41 ... WTF + Show Spoiler + I'm obviously trolling you. + Show Spoiler + How far will you go! + Show Spoiler + Terran is OP, bro. + Show Spoiler + Really? + Show Spoiler +  | ||
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Kiangani
United States122 Posts
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GusTreta
Canada5 Posts
On October 14 2011 05:13 TimeSpiral wrote: I've not done a study on this but I'd say a majority of consumption is done with VODs. Any system that is primary VOD based, and one's enjoyment comes from ignorance of the result, having a spoiler free environment is paramount. It is not ruining anything. The behavior you see on various sites is a product of the way the information / activity is consumed. Your claim that "having a spoiler free environment is paramount" seems to be the view of the minority, looking at the poll results (as of this posting, 86% of people think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea, out of 3590 votes). This study also seems to suggest otherwise: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: wired/index (Wired: Index 3 (Top Stories 2)) | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On October 14 2011 05:25 Kiangani wrote: If you really don't want spoilers, stay the fuck off Starcraft related websites. How hard is that? Except for the fact you need to visit Starcraft related websites to both hear about them and then watch the games? I'm done with this thread because I feel like I am going to flip a shit if I keep replying to posts. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On October 13 2011 23:34 Jibba wrote: There is no spoiler policy in LR threads, unless it was a leaked result such as with IPL1. There's a difference between a spoiler free section, and putting all the news on the front page. People who get less "hyped" because they don't see a picture on the front are hardly what I would consider great ESPORTS fans. Then volunteer to be a writer and make it? The delay in coverage has nothing to do with the spoiler policy. If you want instant results, there's Liquipedia and the LR thread. Aside from that, you just wait 24 hours before talking about it openly outside of the LR thread. Could you include Jibba's point in the OP. I really feel that you do not use LR threads or Liquidpedia. | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On October 14 2011 05:50 Klogon wrote: Except for the fact you need to visit Starcraft related websites to both hear about them and then watch the games? I'm done with this thread because I feel like I am going to flip a shit if I keep replying to posts. Yes this is a point a lot of people seem to miss O.o. TL is the place to go if you want to find VODs of whatever tournament or to even find out if the tournament has taken place already. | ||
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MoreSore
Ireland73 Posts
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Xodushai
Sweden174 Posts
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Beece
United States62 Posts
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