EPTIs the « spoiler fear » hurting E-sports ? - Page 33
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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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ChoboCop
United States954 Posts
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OneThreeOne
Norway86 Posts
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On October 13 2011 23:27 AimlessAmoeba wrote: Yeah but the thing is the big "results updates" are always days, sometimes a week after a huge tournament. There is STILL no writeup on Stephano's big win on the front page, and he's like the first foreigner to ever beat out that many Koreans in a tournament. Ever. The results are almost immediately posted. There is usually a designated thread for the big tournaments that get updated reguarly and a more reliable source is Liquipedia. Basically everything Starcraft related from ever is on Liquipedia. IPL results? Liquipedia. Anyone who wants to immediately find out can and everyone else is obviously willing to wait a couple weeks for the very well-written article on the front page. On October 13 2011 23:44 SolidMustard wrote: Yeah, their big articles are always great, but they are only BEFORE the tournaments actually happen. I think it's really bad that you still see the announcement article on front page once the tourney is over, there should be (in my ideal TL.net ^^) an article bringing the results AND drawing conclusions, and stuff, just like for any regular sport (as already pointed out) Like this, this, or this? These are all within the last two weeks. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On October 14 2011 00:14 drcatellino wrote: I’ve seen you repeat the same thing all over the thread, I think I should be addressing your points. I am not bitching about TL’s quality of work. I am not saying the huge tournament wrap-up we usually see 5-6 days after the events should just be magically appearing right away, I know it is not possible, but this is not what I am expecting. I am talking about short news possibly with a picture, with a very quick overview of the player who won, who he fought, what he won, where, etc. And then you can simply give link to stream/tournament thread/bracket, wherever the viewer can find more information about it. I think this would be good to help casual viewers get interested/hyped. And it doesn’t require a huge deal of work. The complete wrap-up can still come a few days later, I absolutely don’t mind this. But straight news/ in-depth analysis is not the same thing. The first can be put on easily while the other should be refined and not rushed just after a tournament is done. And this is not bitching the TL team or site like you are pretending, I love this place and I come here every day. This is just my vision to make e-sports maybe a little more hyped for those who are not yet totally into it like us. And of course whatever TL does I’ll still come here. So do what you're suggesting yourself. I have absolutely no problem with people providing short writeups, I've even helped suggest someone willing to do that in this very thread. Suggest stuff if you want but don't expect it or complain like nuts if you're not willing to contribute and attempt writing yourself. And that's beside the fact that it has absolutely nothing to do with a spoiler policy like your OP makes it out to be. TL isn't delaying content or purposely not doing content to prevent spoilers. Content like what you're talking about can be done at any time by volunteers which is what the majority of TL staff is. It's definitely possible to create an engaging title without spoiling or tossing in a warning up at the top before your OP, but what you're complaining about is these things aren't even done and you think it's not done simply because TL staff doesn't want to spoil, which I think is incorrect in the first place. (Jibba said this as well) | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On October 14 2011 00:25 R0YAL wrote: The results are almost immediately posted. There is usually a designated thread for the big tournaments that get updated reguarly and a more reliable source is Liquipedia. Basically everything Starcraft related from ever is on Liquipedia. IPL results? Liquipedia. Anyone who wants to immediately find out can and everyone else is obviously willing to wait a couple weeks for the very well-written article on the front page. Like this, this, or this? These are all within the last two weeks. These are exactly the kind of articles I'd love to see more often and with less delay, but some replies made me realize that this shit has to be written, and that's probably why there is such a difference with real sports sites, I guess : people get paid to write sports article, TL writters don't :-( | ||
makk
United Kingdom132 Posts
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Z-R0E
United States147 Posts
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On October 14 2011 01:07 Z-R0E wrote: I think putting the champion on the front page is fine, but I would hate to see the community move away from <spoiler>'ing non-championship game results. Worded differently: If I'm unable to watch a tournament live, I can accept that the championship will be spoiled for me by visiting TeamLiquid for the sake of hype, but I'd still want to be able to watch other matches I missed from the tournament without knowing the outcome of every game. Yes, that's what everybody on the Yes poll thinks, we want to celebrate the winner, we know we missed the live stream, we just want closure to the excitement. Like running a marathon and finding no one greeting me at the finishing line and being huddled into a black van because of ZOMG SPOILERZ. Can't we act like normal people? As in, I miss the live event but the world must bend to my need to watch it "live". I find that fucking weird... Like children playing a game of "let's pretend that never happened and be excited as if the event is unfolding before our very eyes". | ||
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Ohmboy
United States61 Posts
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
I wonder how many people actually use them. Just me, but I refresh them 100,000 times a day when the event is on*. *May not be true. | ||
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RedZack
Germany58 Posts
The only reason I can think of why this would annoy me is EU re-broadcasts of IPL and NASL. But then again, I don't even watch them often enough to make this a real argument. | ||
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Parnass
Germany145 Posts
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roflSloth
Canada43 Posts
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Clafou
Belgium921 Posts
Actually, when I know that a big tournament is over, I don't check teamliquid.net first, but liquipedia. In fact, I don't really care about spoilers. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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GMonster
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CidO
United States695 Posts
You know, the one that says "don't look at any content related to what you're interested in if what you're interested in has something spoilable that you haven't witnessed non-spoils yet?" You don't cry about spoils for when someone dies, you don't cry about spoils on a wiki page, you don't care about spoils for sports scores or golf results. BUT if for some reason you do cry about those - like say, I don't want to know who won the UT / OU game last weekend till I get home from my trip. You know what I don't do? I don't expect the entire internet world to revolve around me - i just go to sites, or parts of websites, that have ntohing to do with football. spoiler: OU crushed the shit out of UT. Spoiler crying is hurting eSports. | ||
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zeru
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
Spoilers in the content should totally be allowed on the front page and that should be the standard, but it would probably nice to have an optitional spoiler free frontend. | ||
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