Spoiler warning. Also; Shameless theft from Milkis warning: This has been shamelessly stolen from Milkis twitter and tumblr. All credit for translation and location goes to him.
“He defeated the Kimchi Terrans… It’s the first time I’ve felt this way…;”
“I guess Idra’s era is over now. Bye bye!”
“While Idra plays like Korean Zergs that piles up resources and fights by turning the tides, Stephano really plays like Zerg. Never has over 500 minerals and always takes Hatcheries, and afterwards constantly engages while getting army, drones, and going up the Tech Tree. Even when he plays 40~50 minutes against Protoss, I don’t get bored at all and I think it’s more interesting actually because he comes up with surprising tactics. I think through this tournament Stephano had provided both entertainment and a good record”
“Wow Stephano is so good, he’s a Kimchiman killer”
“Foreigners like Stephano rising is even better for the Koreans. There needs to be a rivalry for there to be any value in this entire thing, and if Korea just takes everything the entire scene becomes boring”
“In two months, Stephano and Nestea-God are fated to meet. 2011 Blizzard Cup!”
“Ooh! Europe Zerg! Ooh! I know that Europeans are proud of their players, and I think they’ll get really proud from this.”
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
“man it’d be really amusing if Stephano retires here. He’ll just go “I’m retiring as of this tournament. I will never forget.” And later on he’ll do an interview in the future going “Koreans? They weren’t anything special”“
“Look at the foreigners cheering for Stephano lol, they’re cheering as if they’ve found their savior”
“But honestly shouldn’t you guys recognize if they beat a kimchiman on a mirror match? Foreigners are usually weak when it comes to physical or build optimization, and they make a huge difference in mirror match ups. If Stephano is this good, he definitely won’t be a pushover in Korea”
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Add more to the thread if you have them ^^
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On October 10 2011 19:55 Probe1 wrote: “man it’d be really amusing if Stephano retires here. He’ll just go “I’m retiring as of this tournament. I will never forget.” And later on he’ll do an interview in the future going “Koreans? They weren’t anything special”“ Thank you Milkis.
“He defeated the Kimchi Terrans… It’s the first time I’ve felt this way…;”
What does this mean?
Koreans eat a lot of kimchi therefore they are kimchimen
you forgot part 3
“Look at the foreigners cheering for Stephano lol, they’re cheering as if they’ve found their savior”
“But honestly shouldn’t you guys recognize if they beat a kimchiman on a mirror match? Foreigners are usually weak when it comes to physical or build optimization, and they make a huge difference in mirror match ups. If Stephano is this good, he definitely won’t be a pushover in Korea”
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
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On October 10 2011 20:10 Wroshe wrote: Thanks for the crosspost Probe1 although I had already read it. Did you read Milkis' disclaimer thingy by the way?
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Was going to point that out, It's a bit more than a paragraph.
On October 10 2011 20:10 Wroshe wrote: Thanks for the crosspost Probe1 although I had already read it. Did you read Milkis' disclaimer thingy by the way?
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Was going to point that out, It's a bit more than a paragraph.
Looks like he copy pasted the whole fucking thing. :p
Edit:
On October 10 2011 20:14 Probe1 wrote: Yeah I did it on purpose. Edit: Probes are terrible people.
Yeah I did it on purpose. Edit: Probes are terrible people.
Edit2: I should probably not sound like a total dick. I would rather people who would otherwise have missed it read this stuff and enjoy than respect Milkis disclaimer. If he is offended by the thread and wishes to open his own it will be no issue for him to close this one and open his own. I couldn't very well make a thread with a link to his without the OP being extremely weak and felt it was alright to copy and paste with credit.
Obviously if he does not approve I apologize and the thread will be immediately closed :\ Until then, just try to enjoy nice things? :3
On October 10 2011 20:12 Licmyobelisk wrote: I think it's okay for Korean's to call themselvs "kimchiman" even though they knew it's a slur against their ethnicity.
still, it's pretty cool that they support "the one"
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't IdrA called them "kimchiman" (Zenio was one of them) on ladder. And I thought it stuck from there.
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
I think Mana is his zvp practice partner. Maybe thats the reason ><.
He said that every player thinks his own race is the strongest, so MC should think that Protoss is the strongest. Obviously MC and iNcontrol didnt agree.
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
Indeed, was kind of adorable that he thought they'd all say they thought their race was the best But although he misspoke, what he in essence said was that *he* thought zerg was the best(by assuming everyone picked the race they thought was the best and he obv. picked zerg).
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
Indeed, was kind of adorable that he thought they'd all say they thought their race was the best But although he misspoke, what he in essence said was that *he* thought zerg was the best(by assuming everyone picked the race they thought was the best and he obv. picked zerg).
I would assume that he really meant that everyone picked their favorite race. Wouldn't make sense if someone played a race they hated after all. Even all the people who whine about being UP probably don't want to switch races from a stylistic point of view.
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
Does anyone have the Vod link for this panel, I watched the Panel for the first day but can't seem to find this one PM with link if anyone knows where to find it :D Cheers!
On October 10 2011 19:55 Probe1 wrote: “Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
Does anyone have the Vod link for this panel, I watched the Panel for the first day but can't seem to find this one PM with link if anyone knows where to find it :D Cheers!
I think that his zvt and zvp will be tough to top. However now that his zvz strategy is out there (early blings, delayed nat, but really quick 3rd) I'm interested what others do to beat him. Not sure if there's a way, but I'll definitely pay more attention.
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
no ,at the panel he said that everyone that picked their race probably thinks its the best he then asked MC if he thought protoss was the best MC misunderstood and thought he said protoss was the best race
Indeed, was kind of adorable that he thought they'd all say they thought their race was the best But although he misspoke, what he in essence said was that *he* thought zerg was the best(by assuming everyone picked the race they thought was the best and he obv. picked zerg).
I would assume that he really meant that everyone picked their favorite race. Wouldn't make sense if someone played a race they hated after all. Even all the people who whine about being UP probably don't want to switch races from a stylistic point of view.
I find that a far stretch, since the word 'best' is rather easy to understand and Stephano seems to have pretty good English.
On October 10 2011 21:07 ronpaul012 wrote: I think that his zvt and zvp will be tough to top. However now that his zvz strategy is out there (early blings, delayed nat, but really quick 3rd) I'm interested what others do to beat him. Not sure if there's a way, but I'll definitely pay more attention.
I think that Dimaga is the zerg is has the most troubles playing against. He lost two (and probably more but recently two times) bo5 against him 2-3, Stephano seemed to have more multitask but less experience in ZvZ than him
On October 10 2011 21:15 Stiluz wrote: Funny that one comment's that "Idra's era is over" when he just won an IEM lol. Thanks for the translation Milkis! :-)
The funniest is that IdrA was in a massive slump since he left korea... And he is just recently out of it (as far as it seems)
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
No he did not. MC misunderstood his answer (or incontrol led him to minsunderstanding it). He said that to the question (which race is the best? ) he thought zerg players would answer zerg, terran players would answer terran and protoss players would answer protoss.
It's a refreshing take on balance, I think, but the protoss players didn't agree :D
On October 10 2011 21:07 ronpaul012 wrote: I think that his zvt and zvp will be tough to top. However now that his zvz strategy is out there (early blings, delayed nat, but really quick 3rd) I'm interested what others do to beat him. Not sure if there's a way, but I'll definitely pay more attention.
I think that Dimaga is the zerg is has the most troubles playing against. He lost two (and probably more but recently two times) bo5 against him 2-3, Stephano seemed to have more multitask but less experience in ZvZ than him
but dimaga also stated that when he started to train with stephano he got depressed from seeing someone THAT good (ofc, dima is always kidding etc) but i think that between these 2 they both agree that stephano is the better player, but when it comes to tournaments, other stuff come into play and dima has a good overall chance to win, also 3-2 wins can really go either way, it's nothing that matters too much.
A lot of respect for Stephano. I think he should get his ass to Korea or earn a Code S spot through MLG.
Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best
Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best
lol Remember that the Koreans posting these comments are the same as TLers, just in a different language.
On October 10 2011 21:07 ronpaul012 wrote: I think that his zvt and zvp will be tough to top. However now that his zvz strategy is out there (early blings, delayed nat, but really quick 3rd) I'm interested what others do to beat him. Not sure if there's a way, but I'll definitely pay more attention.
You are kidding right? In all four games against lucky he used different openings, therefore there is nothing to figure out. In 2 games he went for buildorders regardless of what his opponent was doing, and in the other 2 games he chose his opening reactively, and in one of them he even forced his opponent to go down a worse buildorder than his own by blocking his expansion. These kind of players are the scariest, because you cant predict what they are doing.
Even in the first game, where he went for early ling/bling agression, he attacked reactively. When there were alot of lings out for lucky, he made a bunch of blings. After he killed off all the lings of lucky and only queens and spines were left over, he stopped bling production and went for pure ling agression for quite some time. A minute or two later, lucky started to catch up on the ling count (but had lost like 2 spines and 2 queens against mass lings), and stephano immediately produced the next round of blings to finish those zerglings off aswell.
Your claim that he has a strategy of going early bling agression into delayed nat but early third, you cant be serious... That happened in 1 game and 1 game only. Watch his stream a little and you will see he stomps pretty much every zerg in eu, including nerchio (who is said to have incredible zvz), with countless different strategies.
Nerchio even streamsniped stephano twice in a row in order to break his winning streak, and lost twice.
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
He didn't say protoss was the strongest race lol, he said he thought it was zerg and everyone who plays a race thinks theirs is the strongest, then he said "protoss to MC" thinking MC would say protoss, and MC said " you think protoss is strongest race, you stoopid". or something along those lines..
Gratz to the pink power ranger though, his play last night was perfect, if that was the GSL, we would have a new champion, I just hope he can keep it up and win it all! GL Stephano!
Didn't Stephano also says he chose Zerg because they are similar to Humans from WC3? And Humans were not doing so well in WC3 if I can remember correctly.
Stephano didn't say Protoss was the best race. He said that "I think the answer is obvious, I play Zerg so I think zerg is the best race, Terrans think Terran is the best race, Protoss thinks Protoss is the best race." I'm not sure he entirely understood the question .
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
No, when asked what race he thinks is best he said "well, i guess we'll all say our own race, i'd say zerg, select would say terran and MC and incontrol would say protoss". Thing is he sayed that quite quietly and everybody just heard protoss, especially because he asked MC "you think it's Protoss right ?" and then everybody was like "WUUUUUUT YOU THINK PROTOSS IS THE BEST?????"
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
No, when asked what race he thinks is best he said "well, i guess we'll all say our own race, i'd say zerg, select would say terran and MC and incontrol would say protoss". Thing is he sayed that quite quietly and everybody just heard protoss, especially because he asked MC "you think it's Protoss right ?" and then everybody was like "WUUUUUUT YOU THINK PROTOSS IS THE BEST?????"
Yeah, he wasn't talking about best as in regards to the balance of the game.
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
On panel they were asked what they think is the strongest race. and Stephaneo said well ofc Zerg players gona say Zerg, Terran Players say Terran and Protoss players say Protoss, and MC just yelled "are you kidding me?"
On October 10 2011 22:45 -Archangel- wrote: Didn't Stephano also says he chose Zerg because they are similar to Humans from WC3? And Humans were not doing so well in WC3 if I can remember correctly.
Human was pretty good for a long period of WC3. Undead was the race that got analed for the entire game's life though :D
On October 10 2011 21:07 ronpaul012 wrote: I think that his zvt and zvp will be tough to top. However now that his zvz strategy is out there (early blings, delayed nat, but really quick 3rd) I'm interested what others do to beat him. Not sure if there's a way, but I'll definitely pay more attention.
You are kidding right? In all four games against lucky he used different openings, therefore there is nothing to figure out. In 2 games he went for buildorders regardless of what his opponent was doing, and in the other 2 games he chose his opening reactively, and in one of them he even forced his opponent to go down a worse buildorder than his own by blocking his expansion. These kind of players are the scariest, because you cant predict what they are doing.
Even in the first game, where he went for early ling/bling agression, he attacked reactively. When there were alot of lings out for lucky, he made a bunch of blings. After he killed off all the lings of lucky and only queens and spines were left over, he stopped bling production and went for pure ling agression for quite some time. A minute or two later, lucky started to catch up on the ling count (but had lost like 2 spines and 2 queens against mass lings), and stephano immediately produced the next round of blings to finish those zerglings off aswell.
Your claim that he has a strategy of going early bling agression into delayed nat but early third, you cant be serious... That happened in 1 game and 1 game only. Watch his stream a little and you will see he stomps pretty much every zerg in eu, including nerchio (who is said to have incredible zvz), with countless different strategies.
Nerchio even streamsniped stephano twice in a row in order to break his winning streak, and lost twice.
Last time i saw Nerchio playing Stephano he won 2-0 (it was some tournament not ladder).
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
On October 10 2011 23:33 Gamegene wrote: “Look at the foreigners cheering for Stephano lol, they’re cheering as if they’ve found their savior”
So fuckin true.
And equally as sad, rofl.
We want to desperately believe!!!
I am afraid for zergs, they humiliated the crap out of Papa Slayer, Favorite Son, and Neglected Second son. Mavangence is going home and there will be a meeting of the terran minds, hope they are not coming to MLG, if so, hide yo drones and hide yo mutas.
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
Wow. Calling Stephano above NesTea is quite a statement to make.
“He defeated the Kimchi Terrans… It’s the first time I’ve felt this way…;”
What does this mean?
My guess kimchi is a derogatory term for players who play almost 24/7 and only eat kimchi between games, i.e. the unknown practice partners or b-teamers.. but they are wrong.. IPL had the best korean players
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
Wow. Calling Stephano above NesTea is quite a statement to make.
Random netizen = random teamliquider pronouncing Stephano God (last time I checked Flash was still playing BW) 5 seconds after IPL3 win.
Does not make credibility, just more nonsensical hype.
“He defeated the Kimchi Terrans… It’s the first time I’ve felt this way…;”
What does this mean?
My guess kimchi is a derogatory term for players who play almost 24/7 and only eat kimchi between games, i.e. the unknown practice partners or b-teamers.. but they are wrong.. IPL had the best korean players
Flat out no. Top level koreans, yes. The best? No.
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
Wow. Calling Stephano above NesTea is quite a statement to make.
Not to take away from Stephano glory but this is like you saying Demuslim is better than MVP. It doesn't mean its true. Stephano is very good but lets not jump the gun .
On October 10 2011 21:07 ronpaul012 wrote: I think that his zvt and zvp will be tough to top. However now that his zvz strategy is out there (early blings, delayed nat, but really quick 3rd) I'm interested what others do to beat him. Not sure if there's a way, but I'll definitely pay more attention.
You are kidding right? In all four games against lucky he used different openings, therefore there is nothing to figure out. In 2 games he went for buildorders regardless of what his opponent was doing, and in the other 2 games he chose his opening reactively, and in one of them he even forced his opponent to go down a worse buildorder than his own by blocking his expansion. These kind of players are the scariest, because you cant predict what they are doing.
Even in the first game, where he went for early ling/bling agression, he attacked reactively. When there were alot of lings out for lucky, he made a bunch of blings. After he killed off all the lings of lucky and only queens and spines were left over, he stopped bling production and went for pure ling agression for quite some time. A minute or two later, lucky started to catch up on the ling count (but had lost like 2 spines and 2 queens against mass lings), and stephano immediately produced the next round of blings to finish those zerglings off aswell.
Your claim that he has a strategy of going early bling agression into delayed nat but early third, you cant be serious... That happened in 1 game and 1 game only. Watch his stream a little and you will see he stomps pretty much every zerg in eu, including nerchio (who is said to have incredible zvz), with countless different strategies.
Nerchio even streamsniped stephano twice in a row in order to break his winning streak, and lost twice.
Last time i saw Nerchio playing Stephano he won 2-0 (it was some tournament not ladder).
I'd like to see him play Nestea when Nestea does a muta switch. That would be a real test.
On October 10 2011 23:33 Gamegene wrote: “Look at the foreigners cheering for Stephano lol, they’re cheering as if they’ve found their savior”
So fuckin true.
And equally as sad, rofl.
We want to desperately believe!!!
I am afraid for zergs, they humiliated the crap out of Papa Slayer, Favorite Son, and Neglected Second son. Mavangence is going home and there will be a meeting of the terran minds, hope they are not coming to MLG, if so, hide yo drones and hide yo mutas.
It's gonna involve 3 medivacs, no 4 medivacs with hellions dropping in your main. Everyone will shit their pants.
hmm, finals were pretty bad honestly... lucky's zvz control was really bad. i can think of many foreigners zergs with much better zvz much less korean zergs. it was really frustrating to me because his other match ups didn't make me do a double take asking myself "really?" so many times the way lucky did.
i was just glad to see stephano win though, he deserved it, his road was incredible
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
You can't really judge from that match, as StC is kind of bad by Korean standard :s Idra rolled him just as hard, and Idra has(imho) a better late game than Stephano, but Stephano plays a much safer early game. Stephano has the potential to be the best zerg, but as of now it is still Nestea...by pretty far too
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
ok then. stephano is a top 5 zerg in the world, discuss
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
ok then. stephano is a top 5 zerg in the world, discuss
Why say anything about top in the world? Yes, he is DEFINITELY a top 5 FOREIGN zerg but until he goes to Korea and "tries" to compete in the GSL can we stop with all this best in the world talk? We can't make these broad assertions because honestly, we probably haven't even seen the extent to Stephano's ability and potential. Yea, he definitely shows the promise of being competitive in the GSL environment but don't forget, almost every hyped up foreigner who has gone to Korea has been humbled.
Think about Thorzain, after TSL people were heralding him as the best foreigner and the best foreign hope in the GSL. People were making the same ridiculous claims like, "ThorZain is surely code S material, get him to Korea now!". He is a great player but what happened to him when he went to korea? As always, the foreign community getting WAYYY too over hyped. Remember guys, the most important quality in an athlete is consistency. Let's see some more big results (which I hope we will see) from Stephano before making comparisons to a multiple time GSL winner..
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
Stephano beat mma, mma beat nestea. He is definitly capable of taking game of mvp. also Stephano is not comparable to Nestea but he can beat code S players and thats ofcourse sign of top top top player
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
Stephano beat mma, mma beat nestea. He is definitly capable of taking game of mvp. also Stephano is not comparable to Nestea but he can beat code S players and thats ofcourse sign of top top top player
Oh god don't pull the same A>B>C so A>C logic please.
And of course, anyone can take games off anyone, but there's no argument here that Stephano is better than Nestea. And he'd lose every BoX series he would play against MVP. StC and MMA = / = MVP.
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
Thing is, NesTea also loses games to players like Virus (wtf?) in silly ways, and just doesn't look AS solid in ZvT. Sure, he's amazing in it, because he is Professor Tea, but he's far from being outstanding in that match-up. Now that DRG's ZvT style seems to have been figured out - fast 2base Lair then Mutas - (along with MMA's, incidentally, from the look of things), there is no out and out winner on the ZvT front.
It's too early yet to say whether Stephano really is THAT good, but his ZvT is pretty much unique in high level play, he doesn't have any real flaws (MAYBE he plays too safe with the number of expansions?) in his play and he looks just really solid. I would indeed like to see Stephano vs MVP, and indeed Stephano vs Nestea, but until then it can't be judged objectively at all.
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
This is a beautiful quote
That happened in particular during that last game of the finals when Stephano got that super early third and lucky pushed with something like 5 times the number of roaches then Stephano. I can't wrap my head around how he held that. I was listening to day9 at the same time and he just laughed and said he didn't understand.
Yeah I didn't understand it at all either, stephano did very heavy ling/bane pressure which failed completely cause lucky had roaches out.
His response -> take a 3rd.
Then he somehow held off a ridiculous amount of roaches and steamrolled lucky with a counter. I just didn't get it at all, just godlike play.
All I can see was his successful bling bust on roaches. He did soften the most of Lucky's roaches, and spine absorbed a lot of damages from roaches, too. He had very few roaches and he barely lost them. All he used was two spines and a lot of lings, which can be replenished from his 3 hatches.
Anyway, THAT IS FREAKING HARD TO DO. I really want to say that Stephano understand Zerg as much as Nestea, and he can be better than him later on!
When stephano has 90% wins against pro zergs (not ladder) you can start saying his zvz is close by Nestea's.
Yeah I don't think we can say from one tournament that Stephano's ZvZ and ZvP are better than NesTea's...but NesTea's ZvT has been suspect for a long time. I think Stephano's got him beat there.
How is NesTea's ZvT "suspect"? Granted, it is arguably his weakest matchup but to say it is "suspect for a long time"? NesTea is almost flawless in ZvP and ZvZ, so of course his ZvT is going to seem weaker. Seriously, I can hardly stand TL forums anymore with so many uninformed posters. Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously). When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
I think the best quote was the one saying he plays unlike IdrA. I feel like alot of IdrA's games he would get to 4-5 bases and then start banking cash while Stephano really does macro hard all game. I see that as his biggest strength.
Stephano beat mma, mma beat nestea. He is definitly capable of taking game of mvp. also Stephano is not comparable to Nestea but he can beat code S players and thats ofcourse sign of top top top player
Stephano took games over MMA in an online qulifier, in a shitty time for him, with delay. That delay is even worse for him because he plays such an aggressive style. That's not proof of him being Code S
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
ok then. stephano is a top 5 zerg in the world, discuss
Why say anything about top in the world? Yes, he is DEFINITELY a top 5 FOREIGN zerg but until he goes to Korea and "tries" to compete in the GSL can we stop with all this best in the world talk?
but civilised discussion about theoreticals is interesting. he was definitely a top 5 foreign zerg even before ipl (personally i had it as between him and sen for the best, now it's not close), but how many really dominant korean zergs are there? nestea obv, losira also obviously highly rated, same with DRG (although imo he's the most overrated player in the world right now), then who else? july? leenock? curious? check? zenio?
I think Thorzain practiced and trained a lot more to win GSL3 than Stephano did to win IPL. Stephano has imho a lot more progression space. Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the first time a "foreigner" take out four Koreans in a row to win a big tournament ?
He steamrolled through IPL like Nestea or MVP would have, now let's see how he does against them Then we will be able to compare.
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: When Stephano plays MVP and takes a game off him we can start the Stephano/NesTea comparisons, until that day let's be content to say Stephano is a great player. Everyone can stop with this bonjwa talk, it's even more ridiculous than the Spanishiwa hype.
ok then. stephano is a top 5 zerg in the world, discuss
Why say anything about top in the world? Yes, he is DEFINITELY a top 5 FOREIGN zerg but until he goes to Korea and "tries" to compete in the GSL can we stop with all this best in the world talk?
but civilised discussion about theoreticals is interesting. he was definitely a top 5 foreign zerg even before ipl (personally i had it as between him and sen for the best, now it's not close), but how many really dominant korean zergs are there? nestea obv, losira also obviously highly rated, same with DRG (although imo he's the most overrated player in the world right now), then who else? july? leenock? curious? check? zenio?
All I'm saying is, an immense potential such as Stephano would still have trouble even qualifying for code A. It is just silly to compare the competition in IPL to any GSL season and thus, we really can't take this win (although very impressive) as any indication to how well he would do in code S. The Code S players are there because they are good as well as CONSISTENT against other code S quality players.
Stop saying he didn't beat any top koreans. It's not who he beat but how he beat them. Everyone who is hyping Stephano is because of what they saw in those games. Through all of the games he showed excelent crisis management and imbeccable decision making. Seriously he played like a boss
On October 11 2011 01:06 SupLilSon wrote: The Code S players are there because they are good as well as CONSISTENT against other code S quality players.
really? you can run at 33% in code S winning one map per month and stay there forever
On October 11 2011 01:06 SupLilSon wrote: The Code S players are there because they are good as well as CONSISTENT against other code S quality players.
really? you can run at 33% in code S winning one map per month and stay there forever
On October 11 2011 01:06 SupLilSon wrote: The Code S players are there because they are good as well as CONSISTENT against other code S quality players.
really? you can run at 33% in code S winning one map per month and stay there forever
Really? I'm pretty sure to get into code S you have to go through the notoriously impossible qualifiers, just to get into code A then you have to do well there before even getting a shot to get into code S. So yea, I'd say to get code S you have to be consistently winning.
i'm not sure if his sucess is due to people not familiar with his style, or he is really that good. but his 4-0 against lucky really made it look easy. i want to see more of him playing cuz i'm sure people will start studying him, and if he still posts results like this, than i'd say he really is one of the best. anyway, he must be extremely talented. he's relatively new to the scene and is already better than most pros who have spent years of training to reach where they are right now, simply amazing
If only we have another all-star tourney so we can finally determine who is the best atm. I'd prefer the games be round-robin first just so we can see every possible matchup.
Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Guys, wait.. I trust Stephano's skill and I really think he has proven that he has what it takes to keep this mommentum going, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves here. He still has a lot to prove.
What if he wins MLG and get Code S seed? How would he perform on that kind of pressure?
I tend to think that Code S is much more tense than IGN, so I am not sure how a 17yo would perform under that kind of ambient. Let's just wait before throwing the Bonjwa word out there.
On October 11 2011 01:06 SupLilSon wrote: The Code S players are there because they are good as well as CONSISTENT against other code S quality players.
really? you can run at 33% in code S winning one map per month and stay there forever
Really? I'm pretty sure to get into code S you have to go through the notoriously impossible qualifiers, just to get into code A then you have to do well there before even getting a shot to get into code S. So yea, I'd say to get code S you have to be consistently winning.
He means once you are in code S you only have to win one game a month to stay in. A 1-2 record gets you 3rd place (in most cases) and that will keep you in code S with the new format.
Match 1 you win 1-0 Winners match you lose 1-1 Final match you lose 1-2
losing both the first match and the losers match gets you out of code S in 4th, and winning both the first match and winners match gets you to ro16 2-0. Losing first match but winning losers match and final match gets you 2-1 and into the ro16
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
On October 11 2011 01:05 eksert wrote: stephano the first bonjwa.. idra, i pity u
Stephano is an amazing player, who is showing great innovation. He also won a single major tournament, and should be congratulated. But those two things have never made any player a bonjwa; not now and not ever.
For you to say that, I feel like my words will just be lost on you because you are simply looking to get a rise out of people. You have a high post count, and certainly have heard the criteria to become a bonjwa before. I truly want you to explain to me in what world you could categorically say that Stephano is favored at all times against players like MVP and Nestea.
Calling him a bonjwa means that he is the clear favorite in any matchup and at any time. Do you truly believe that?
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
Stephano asked "you mean foreigner", and MMA said "okok", which could be interpreted either way (agreement due to politeness, or confirmation that it's what he meant). He didn't specify at first.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
Agreed.
The only overhyping that was made was made by a select few of the people hyping stephano at all.
"Stephano, new bonjwa" "Stephano, best player in the world"
What you CAN'T DENY (I'll say it again - CAN'T DENY) is that stephano played far better than the players that he beat. If you haven't been around the game long, or are stuck in a lower league, your analytical skills might be distorted. However, just because some of you can't see how WELL he played, doesn't mean he's "overhyped".
Stephano is currently in the same situation like ST_Curious, in my opinion. They both won a big tournament and showed some brilliant play during that. However, they haven't really faced S-class players consistently yet, so it is still to early to tell whether they really are on top of the (zerg-)world. But the both of them really look incredibly promising though.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
Mana beat some Koreans and is really talented as well and Nerchio has good ZvZ. Besides even Flash loses sometimes and Stephano doesn't even practise full time yet. Sure he's getting a bit overhyped but it's certainly one of the top foreigners already and capable of getting code S and maybe even winning it if he went to Korea.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
Mana beat some Koreans and is really talented as well and Nerchio has good ZvZ. Besides even Flash loses sometimes and Stephano doesn't even practise full time yet. Sure he's getting a bit overhyped but it's certainly one of the top foreigners already and capable of getting code S and maybe even winning it if he went to Korea.
Lol.. gotta get into code A before you can get into code S... posts like these are solely responsible for the overhyping. Anyone who has followed the GSL since the earlier seasons will know that it is literally and figuratively a league of it's own.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
Mana beat some Koreans and is really talented as well and Nerchio has good ZvZ. Besides even Flash loses sometimes and Stephano doesn't even practise full time yet. Sure he's getting a bit overhyped but it's certainly one of the top foreigners already and capable of getting code S and maybe even winning it if he went to Korea.
Lol.. gotta get into code A before you can get into code S... posts like these are solely responsible for the overhyping. Anyone who has followed the GSL since the earlier seasons will know that it is literally and figuratively a league of it's own.
Dude he has a sick win rate against Koreans and he isn't playing full time. He can also get a code A invite via MLG which is perfectly possible really if he can achieve this with practising 3 hours on ladder I don't see how he can't do a lot better than he does already.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
Mana beat some Koreans and is really talented as well and Nerchio has good ZvZ. Besides even Flash loses sometimes and Stephano doesn't even practise full time yet. Sure he's getting a bit overhyped but it's certainly one of the top foreigners already and capable of getting code S and maybe even winning it if he went to Korea.
And how many times have we heard that by now? All these so called code S foreigner got stomped in code A. I am not saying he won't make it to the up and downs but before he actually does it (not soon) you can't claim that.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
Mana beat some Koreans and is really talented as well and Nerchio has good ZvZ. Besides even Flash loses sometimes and Stephano doesn't even practise full time yet. Sure he's getting a bit overhyped but it's certainly one of the top foreigners already and capable of getting code S and maybe even winning it if he went to Korea.
Lol.. gotta get into code A before you can get into code S... posts like these are solely responsible for the overhyping. Anyone who has followed the GSL since the earlier seasons will know that it is literally and figuratively a league of it's own.
Dude he has a sick win rate against Koreans and he isn't playing full time. He can also get a code A invite via MLG which is perfectly possible really if he can achieve this with practising 3 hours on ladder I don't see how he can't do a lot better than he does already.
Ok, so let's see Stephano do these things before claiming he is going to win Code S. Like the guy above me said, all the past "great foreigner hopes" have been thoroughly unprepared even in code A. People quickly forget the past and just get swept up by the newest hype. Mark my words, a month from now there will be a new up and coming foreigner and people will be making the same crazy postulations about code S with nothing substantial to back it up.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
Mana beat some Koreans and is really talented as well and Nerchio has good ZvZ. Besides even Flash loses sometimes and Stephano doesn't even practise full time yet. Sure he's getting a bit overhyped but it's certainly one of the top foreigners already and capable of getting code S and maybe even winning it if he went to Korea.
And how many times have we heard that by now? All these so called code S foreigner got stomped in code A. I am not saying he won't make it to the up and downs but before he actually does it (not soon) you can't claim that.
They all played more than Stephano, didn't win a tournament with this amount of Koreans in it and didn't have such a good ratio against Koreans. Besides people like Naniwa and Thorzain haven't been in Korea very long.
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
Agreed.
The only overhyping that was made was made by a select few of the people hyping stephano at all.
"Stephano, new bonjwa" "Stephano, best player in the world"
What you CAN'T DENY (I'll say it again - CAN'T DENY) is that stephano played far better than the players that he beat. If you haven't been around the game long, or are stuck in a lower league, your analytical skills might be distorted. However, just because some of you can't see how WELL he played, doesn't mean he's "overhyped".
Plenty of assumptions here by you.
Show me where I said Stephano is not good.
I am in masters who gets pitted vs GM players here and there. So another one of your assumptions completely off. Where did I say he didn't play well again?
thought so. On the contrary on my other posts, I said Stephano is clearly very talented and played well.
On October 10 2011 19:55 Probe1 wrote: “To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
“man it’d be really amusing if Stephano retires here. He’ll just go “I’m retiring as of this tournament. I will never forget.” And later on he’ll do an interview in the future going “Koreans? They weren’t anything special”“
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
On October 11 2011 01:28 figq wrote: Now I'm beginning (finally) to think that when MMA said to Stephano in chat (earlier, during some qualifier) that he considers him Top 3 zerg in the world, he really meant it, including Korea. Points for the Koreans for recognizing Stephano before he was fully recognized by all foreigners.
Pretty sure he said foreigner. It's funny how people always overhype players after some tournament win or GSTL games
this reminds me huk after homer cup, yes stephano is great but the overhyping is getting out of hand, im convinced that if Lucky didnt eliminate MMA, stephano would lose to him (like he did to alive), he still loses to EU players (mana, nerchio?), he had good run in one tournament but that doesnt make him best player on the world.
Mana beat some Koreans and is really talented as well and Nerchio has good ZvZ. Besides even Flash loses sometimes and Stephano doesn't even practise full time yet. Sure he's getting a bit overhyped but it's certainly one of the top foreigners already and capable of getting code S and maybe even winning it if he went to Korea.
And how many times have we heard that by now? All these so called code S foreigner got stomped in code A. I am not saying he won't make it to the up and downs but before he actually does it (not soon) you can't claim that.
They all played more than Stephano, didn't win a tournament with this amount of Koreans in it and didn't have such a good ratio against Koreans. Besides people like Naniwa and Thorzain haven't been in Korea very long.
Uh... Thorzain and Naniwa were the finalist for TSL3, a tournament with much stiffer competition than IPL3. And as I and others have repeatedly tried to tell you, you can't simply compare Stephano to other foreigners and conjecture that he will be successful in Korea based off your personal opinion of his skill in relation to their's.
Whenever a major event happens, does a Korean netizen come to Team Liquid, skim through the live report threads and then translates the interesting pieces to PlayXP?
On October 11 2011 03:09 CuSToM wrote: Whenever a major event happens, does a Korean netizen come to Team Liquid, skim through the live report threads and then translates the interesting pieces to PlayXP?
No, because we're all massive dullards who struggle to say anything meaningful or funny in the LR threads at least.
LLOL those are probably all the quotes thats positive about stephanio winning in all of internet. GJ teamliquiders keepen it fake. thats like china basketball team beating New York knicks in basketball and a chinese website posts americans: OMG CHINESE PEOPLE ARE SO GOOD AT BASKETBALL. no reality is we'll say stfu new york knicks dont have lebron james so it doesnt count and shame on you knicks your an embaressment (analogies included) sorry to burst ur bubble guys
On October 11 2011 03:22 CarelessPride wrote: LLOL those are probably all the quotes thats positive about stephanio winning in all of internet. GJ teamliquiders keepen it fake. thats like china basketball team beating New York knicks in basketball and a chinese website posts americans: OMG CHINESE PEOPLE ARE SO GOOD AT BASKETBALL. no reality is we'll say stfu new york knicks dont have lebron james so it doesnt count and shame on you knicks your an embaressment (analogies included) sorry to burst ur bubble guys
Why so much hate ? Don't you think it's normal to have positives things about a player when he win a big tournaments ?
Imo Stephano has a much greater chance at doing well in Korea than previous foreigners. His play from IPL was simply out of this world. Much more impressive than anything before seen from a foreigner. Anyone who has watched his games from IPL should agree on Stephano now being the best non-korean player. He really is that good.
On October 11 2011 03:40 DaCruise wrote: Imo Stephano has a much greater chance at doing well in Korea than previous foreigners. His play from IPL was simply out of this world. Much more impressive than anything before seen from a foreigner. Anyone who has watched his games from IPL should agree on Stephano now being the best non-korean player. He really is that good.
I don't know about that. Idra played very well and only lost to TheSTC when he did some very aggressive cheese/semi-all in that Idra didn't scout. Seemed like the terrans Stephano played mostly macro games with him, or Stephano did some early roach-ling attacks. I would assume because they know Idra's style and this was their first time seeing Stephano (to my knowledge) they weren't as prepared for him to be as good as he was, or to hit some of the early roach-ling attacks that he did.
And obviously not all the other top European players were there. Dimaga, Nerchio, Sjow, Naniwa, Sase, etc, etc. Of course I've heard some of these players swear by Stephano but still.
That being said I do think Stephano has the most natural skill, but I don't know if he is the clear cut best. He definitely looked like it this weekend, but we'll see if he can get another major tourny result before crowning him
stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
On October 11 2011 00:46 SupLilSon wrote: Stephano took down TheSTC, a player who has just recently completed his military service (obviously hasn't been practicing rigorously).
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
I think Mana is his zvp practice partner. Maybe thats the reason ><.
He said that every player thinks his own race is the strongest, so MC should think that Protoss is the strongest. Obviously MC and iNcontrol didnt agree.
Well, the question was: "What is the best race?"...and Stephano answered that every player thinks that his own race is the best, that's why you play them...
He never said, that Protoss is the strongest or anything like that...
“To be honest I couldn’t even understand Stephano’s play. I just watched and suddenly Stephano is winning.”
First times I watched him play I just thought it looked sloppy and stuff but after seeing more of him some strengths seem more obvious. Like rarely making mistakes that end up making him lose the game, good game sense, good at reading opponents and finding their weaknesses. And sometimes it's like he knows of critical weaknesses in others builds that the opponents don't even seem to be aware of themselves etc.
It's not as mysterious as it often is with for example Sjow at least.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
You can't really judge from that match, as StC is kind of bad by Korean standard :s Idra rolled him just as hard, and Idra has(imho) a better late game than Stephano, but Stephano plays a much safer early game. Stephano has the potential to be the best zerg, but as of now it is still Nestea...by pretty far too
Since when is TheSTC considered bad by any standards? He's been at code A level since the beta.
On October 11 2011 03:22 CarelessPride wrote: LLOL those are probably all the quotes thats positive about stephanio winning in all of internet. GJ teamliquiders keepen it fake. thats like china basketball team beating New York knicks in basketball and a chinese website posts americans: OMG CHINESE PEOPLE ARE SO GOOD AT BASKETBALL. no reality is we'll say stfu new york knicks dont have lebron james so it doesnt count and shame on you knicks your an embaressment (analogies included) sorry to burst ur bubble guys
not everyone hates each other...even though obviously you see it that way... most Koreans are generally ya know.... care about more than race.
On October 11 2011 03:22 CarelessPride wrote: LLOL those are probably all the quotes thats positive about stephanio winning in all of internet. GJ teamliquiders keepen it fake. thats like china basketball team beating New York knicks in basketball and a chinese website posts americans: OMG CHINESE PEOPLE ARE SO GOOD AT BASKETBALL. no reality is we'll say stfu new york knicks dont have lebron james so it doesnt count and shame on you knicks your an embaressment (analogies included) sorry to burst ur bubble guys
Is this even a real post? I can't tell.
Anyway, we all know there are more comments and Milkis only translates the interesting ones. He probably refrains from posting in English any of the Korean troll comments.
Also, for those wondering about TheStC, he was a mediocre BW pro a few years back but did plenty of SC2 playing and online tournaments while he was in the military. Obviously he doesn't get to practice 10 hours per day but some players just don't need to.
On October 11 2011 03:22 CarelessPride wrote: LLOL those are probably all the quotes thats positive about stephanio winning in all of internet. GJ teamliquiders keepen it fake. thats like china basketball team beating New York knicks in basketball and a chinese website posts americans: OMG CHINESE PEOPLE ARE SO GOOD AT BASKETBALL. no reality is we'll say stfu new york knicks dont have lebron james so it doesnt count and shame on you knicks your an embaressment (analogies included) sorry to burst ur bubble guys
You could have gone to playXP yourself with google translate and verify that he didnt handpick positive comments. Now you look like a fool.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
tarotis .. like dimaga did to nestea months ago? and didnt dimaga beat mvp.. just sayin.. if u want a korean killin zerg.. send dimaga. congrats to stephano for kickin korean ass!. im glad the koreans like him to,. he quoted dimaga in one of his recent interviews as inspirational? i think.,
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
its so funny how the kimichiman meme began in korean sc 2 forums with koreans (wrongly) saying that foreigners call them kimchiman and foreigners finding out about koreans calling themselves that now,
On October 11 2011 07:03 farnham wrote: its so funny how the kimichiman meme began in korean sc 2 forums with koreans (wrongly) saying that foreigners call them kimchiman and foreigners finding out about koreans calling themselves that now,
Honestly how are they supposed to refer to their own players? koreans/us gets boring. We got foreigners, white guys and nationalities.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
Yeah post his losses in there...you could go to TLPD and post any player's wins only and make them look unbeatable.
Do you really have to have a 100% series win ratio to look super ultra good ?
It's still 10-2 in *series* against KOREANS in the qualis+tournament. Name one other european player who can show that kind of record. 3-0 vs P, 3-0 vs Z, 4-2 vs T.
Yeah I did it on purpose. Edit: Probes are terrible people.
Edit2: I should probably not sound like a total dick.
I would rather people who would otherwise have missed it read this stuff and enjoy than respect Milkis disclaimer. If he is offended by the thread and wishes to open his own it will be no issue for him to close this one and open his own.+ Show Spoiler +
I couldn't very well make a thread with a link to his without the OP being extremely weak and felt it was alright to copy and paste with credit.
Obviously if he does not approve I apologize and the thread will be immediately closed :\ Until then, just try to enjoy nice things? :3
How about you respect Milkis' hard work instead and reward him with a little pageviews, I think he has done enough for the community to deserve it. And don't interpret his lack of reaction (because he's too much of a nice guy to bother with people like you) as a silent approval of your smug disregard for his clearly expressed wishes.
Blatantly appropriating his work and then carelessly apologizing doesn't make it any better.
I believe Stephano's ZvT style is the next step in the zerg metagame. I've always thought Ultras to be terrifying against tank lines and his style shows the most logical transitions and play for it. It's superior to some other builds that the Korean zergs are using now like DRG's muta / ultra against Supernova. The infested terrans for drawing siege tank fire is the silver lining in it and makes it even more potent. I love how he gets armor upgrades quickly in the beginning as well, which I think is what makes it less risky against hellion/thor builds since it doesn't commit him to zergling through midgame.
It's great to see how Koreans are loving his play, maybe they'll pick up his style now too. ^^
Yeah I did it on purpose. Edit: Probes are terrible people.
Edit2: I should probably not sound like a total dick.
I would rather people who would otherwise have missed it read this stuff and enjoy than respect Milkis disclaimer. If he is offended by the thread and wishes to open his own it will be no issue for him to close this one and open his own.+ Show Spoiler +
I couldn't very well make a thread with a link to his without the OP being extremely weak and felt it was alright to copy and paste with credit.
Obviously if he does not approve I apologize and the thread will be immediately closed :\ Until then, just try to enjoy nice things? :3
How about you respect Milkis' hard work instead and reward him with a little pageviews, I think he has done enough for the community to deserve it. And don't interpret his lack of reaction (because he's too much of a nice guy to bother with people like you) as a silent approval of your smug disregard for his clearly expressed wishes.
Blatantly appropriating his work and then carelessly apologizing doesn't make it any better.
Did Milkis actually say that he doesn't like people doing this on TL?
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
Yeah post his losses in there...you could go to TLPD and post any player's wins only and make them look unbeatable.
Do you really have to have a 100% series win ratio to look super ultra good ?
It's still 10-2 in *series* against KOREANS in the qualis+tournament. Name one other european player who can show that kind of record. 3-0 vs P, 3-0 vs Z, 4-2 vs T.
Its not about saying he is not ultra good. its about giving false or in this case incomplete information. if this person just added those losses in there this would be quoted rather in the good sense compared to now "hey you forgot the losses" so in a way it backfired.
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
You can't really judge from that match, as StC is kind of bad by Korean standard :s Idra rolled him just as hard, and Idra has(imho) a better late game than Stephano, but Stephano plays a much safer early game. Stephano has the potential to be the best zerg, but as of now it is still Nestea...by pretty far too
Since when is TheSTC considered bad by any standards? He's been at code A level since the beta.
Ehh, he's pretty bad as far as Koreans go. He was from a time early on in GSL when everyone (especially terrans) cheesed and all-inned every game. Since then he went into the military and hasn't changed his playstyle much. I have yet to see him win a game that wasn't either a full all-in, cheese, or some form of exact timing attack. He doesn't have the ability to adapt and play well on the same level as say MVP, MMA, MKP, or any number of good Korean terrans.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
Yeah post his losses in there...you could go to TLPD and post any player's wins only and make them look unbeatable.
Do you really have to have a 100% series win ratio to look super ultra good ?
It's still 10-2 in *series* against KOREANS in the qualis+tournament. Name one other european player who can show that kind of record. 3-0 vs P, 3-0 vs Z, 4-2 vs T.
Its not about saying he is not ultra good. its about giving false or in this case incomplete information. if this person just added those losses in there this would be quoted rather in the good sense compared to now "hey you forgot the losses" so in a way it backfired.
Also because people have been saying Stephano is as good or even better than most Koreans, and if you add those losses in there (not just from IPL) then he does look like he can compete with Koreans, but not clearly better than them.
Also as others have said I wonder if the Koreans not doing well against him is due to a lack of knowledge about his playstyle? Cause with IdrA most of the Koreans were cheesing/metagaming him/reacting to his style, and against Stephano they didn't appear to do the same. Would be interesting to see if he continues to do as well, in Korea and in foreign tourneys with Koreans, now that he's "on their map" so to speak.
Yeah I did it on purpose. Edit: Probes are terrible people.
Edit2: I should probably not sound like a total dick.
I would rather people who would otherwise have missed it read this stuff and enjoy than respect Milkis disclaimer. If he is offended by the thread and wishes to open his own it will be no issue for him to close this one and open his own.+ Show Spoiler +
I couldn't very well make a thread with a link to his without the OP being extremely weak and felt it was alright to copy and paste with credit.
Obviously if he does not approve I apologize and the thread will be immediately closed :\ Until then, just try to enjoy nice things? :3
How about you respect Milkis' hard work instead and reward him with a little pageviews, I think he has done enough for the community to deserve it. And don't interpret his lack of reaction (because he's too much of a nice guy to bother with people like you) as a silent approval of your smug disregard for his clearly expressed wishes.
Blatantly appropriating his work and then carelessly apologizing doesn't make it any better.
Did Milkis actually say that he doesn't like people doing this on TL?
Yes he did, as you would have seen if you visited his page. Which apparently you didn't because the whole thing has been copypasted here.
Please do not take anything on this blog to post on any website. Please quote only a small section (a paragraph at most) at a time. Do not copy and paste the entire article.
I think Stephanos success right now is partially due to his opponents not having played against that style of play, and they couldn't adapt quickly enough to beat him. Now that his style is well known I think the korean terrans will figure it out, something that aLive might already have done.
Still an amazing run by Stephano and I hope he can keep it up.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
According to this, Stephano has beat MMA and even Boxer before.
Let's have the full list here, it's rather... informative.
Yeah post his losses in there...you could go to TLPD and post any player's wins only and make them look unbeatable.
Do you really have to have a 100% series win ratio to look super ultra good ?
It's still 10-2 in *series* against KOREANS in the qualis+tournament. Name one other european player who can show that kind of record. 3-0 vs P, 3-0 vs Z, 4-2 vs T.
Its not about saying he is not ultra good. its about giving false or in this case incomplete information. if this person just added those losses in there this would be quoted rather in the good sense compared to now "hey you forgot the losses" so in a way it backfired.
Also because people have been saying Stephano is as good or even better than most Koreans, and if you add those losses in there (not just from IPL) then he does look like he can compete with Koreans, but not clearly better than them.
Also as others have said I wonder if the Koreans not doing well against him is due to a lack of knowledge about his playstyle? Cause with IdrA most of the Koreans were cheesing/metagaming him/reacting to his style, and against Stephano they didn't appear to do the same. Would be interesting to see if he continues to do as well, in Korea and in foreign tourneys with Koreans, now that he's "on their map" so to speak.
People need to stop discrediting tournament results because of perceived easy brackets. Stephano may have had a favorable draw, but it was still a 32 player tournament with many strong Koreans and a majority of the strong foreigners. I agree that a win in the finals over MMA would have been more validating, but after watching MMA(along with Ryung and Boxer) getting utterly stomped by aggressive roach play, I can't even say he would have been the favorite over Stephano. Furthermore, everyone's "god", Nestea, had an extremely soft bracket in his last GSL run along with a pretty soft one in the run before that. His other win was in a cheese filled season 2. He rarely plays team league and does poorly when he does. His non-GSL showings have been quite mediocre as well. I'm not even trying to discredit Nestea here, but don't cherrypick 1 guys results and blindly worship another guy without doing the same.
Moreover, I think people are more impressed with Stephano's play in itself, not necessarily his results. His injecting and game sense is clearly at the highest level, and he made all of his opponents look significantly inferior. One can argue that winning and losing is all that matters, but the quality of wins and losses must be judged to assess a player abstractly. He dominated his opponents in a way that only a top Code S player would be able to do. Lastly, if it is true that he has only been practicing for around 3 hours of ladder a day, he would have to possess an absurd amount of natural talent to play the way he has been playing.
Just to make it clear. Stephano is bragging when he said, he practices only 3 hours a day. He streams his ladder 3 hours a day and that's probably all his ladder time.
However before IPL3, he trained his ZvZ with Sheth and Nerchio, and his cheese defense with MorroW among other partner. I believe he train with MaNa also. Aside from that there are replay reviewing and thinking about BO.
On October 11 2011 08:08 j0ker wrote: People need to stop discrediting tournament results because of perceived easy brackets. Stephano may have had a favorable draw, but it was still a 32 player tournament with many strong Koreans and a majority of the strong foreigners. I agree that a win in the finals over MMA would have been more validating, but after watching MMA(along with Ryung and Boxer) getting utterly stomped by aggressive roach play, I can't even say he would have been the favorite over Stephano. Furthermore, everyone's "god", Nestea, had an extremely soft bracket in his last GSL run along with a pretty soft one in the run before that. His other win was in a cheese filled season 2. He rarely plays team league and does poorly when he does. His non-GSL showings have been quite mediocre as well. I'm not even trying to discredit Nestea here, but don't cherrypick 1 guys results and blindly worship another guy without doing the same.
Moreover, I think people are more impressed with Stephano's play in itself, not necessarily his results. His injecting and game sense is clearly at the highest level, and he made all of his opponents look significantly inferior. One can argue that winning and losing is all that matters, but the quality of wins and losses must be judged to assess a player abstractly. He dominated his opponents in a way that only a top Code S player would be able to do.
+100 for this post. First of all, a player can only beat the players put before them. So even if Nestea didn't have to play MMA to win his last GSL, he beat the players he faced and made it through to the title, which he has done 3 times now, which MMA and Bomber have not done once despite all their strength at TvZ. That is something. In pro sports leagues, the ability of teams to consistently beat the teams they are supposed to beat is as important if not more so than the ability to win against brutally hard opponents, if they are to make it through leagues and playoffs to become champions.
Secondly, I also tell people, watch Stephano's actual games. It's not just the wins against top opponents (yes I would include MKP and MMA even if it were online, not too many can beat them in ANY setting), it's how he plays and how he wins. That's what impressed me so watching the VODs from IPL S3 qualifiers, and why even though I'm amazed by Stephano's performance yesterday, I'm not completely surprised because of what I'd seen in his games.
The ZvZ games were in particular amazing because he was pretty much in complete control of all those, after opening different ways, early expand, gas/pool first, delay opponent hatch etc. He secured some advantage out of every opener and magnified that into a huge advantage with a brilliant hold after expanding, or a crushing engagement, etc. After watching him completely control Violet like a puppet on a string I told my friend "Lucky is good and anything could happen, but don't be surprised if Stephano completely dominates Lucky after how I saw him play against Violet."
You could see in Lucky's facial expression after game one the look of someone who is feeling the pressure not just because they lost, but because they recognize the player they face is just flat out better and there is pretty much no way short of a miracle that they are going to win.
Best foreign player for sure, I have been saying that for a long time since his run in the qualifier and through the homestory cup, he show a lot of promises. European Zerg are strong. Dimaga, Nerchio, Stephano.... Idra come closes too
On October 11 2011 10:08 Milkis wrote: I really need to update that about me section. I'm fine with people using it on TL or Reddit (as long as they link).
I posted this somewhere in this thread, but I think it went mostly ignored:
Can you provide netizen reactions to the Stephano vs. Kiwikaki game 2?
“He defeated the Kimchi Terrans… It’s the first time I’ve felt this way…;”
What does this mean?
LOL really?
anyways kimchi is a really stereotypical thing for koreans to eat, it's a kind of common food in korea that has so many different versions to it where some might barely resemble each other
Anyways, it's like a racist/stereotypical joke to call koreans kimchi men
It's like how japanese have their ramen, and americans have their burgers
stephano to GSL please bonjwa gogo before your 1 year is up! it will be the story of the decade
On October 11 2011 08:08 j0ker wrote: People need to stop discrediting tournament results because of perceived easy brackets. Stephano may have had a favorable draw, but it was still a 32 player tournament with many strong Koreans and a majority of the strong foreigners. I agree that a win in the finals over MMA would have been more validating, but after watching MMA(along with Ryung and Boxer) getting utterly stomped by aggressive roach play, I can't even say he would have been the favorite over Stephano. Furthermore, everyone's "god", Nestea, had an extremely soft bracket in his last GSL run along with a pretty soft one in the run before that. His other win was in a cheese filled season 2. He rarely plays team league and does poorly when he does. His non-GSL showings have been quite mediocre as well. I'm not even trying to discredit Nestea here, but don't cherrypick 1 guys results and blindly worship another guy without doing the same.
Moreover, I think people are more impressed with Stephano's play in itself, not necessarily his results. His injecting and game sense is clearly at the highest level, and he made all of his opponents look significantly inferior. One can argue that winning and losing is all that matters, but the quality of wins and losses must be judged to assess a player abstractly. He dominated his opponents in a way that only a top Code S player would be able to do. Lastly, if it is true that he has only been practicing for around 3 hours of ladder a day, he would have to possess an absurd amount of natural talent to play the way he has been playing.
Very, very well said. Not much to add or emphasis on what you said xD. I totally agree on that, though "skill" doesn't matter since a player is only able to be judged concretely (and even so it is only a estimation of strength) by performance results, "skill" can be used to, as you say it, abstractly assess a player and what his future performances may be like.
Holy fucking shit 3 hours only? Well some people are just born and grow up better at some things than ever, I guess starcraft is like perfect to him, and/or he is literally a genius.
Too bad it's only 1 year, I hope he stays in longer (if he keeps this up I think he may delay university, but then again may be starcraft isn't his dream in life, maybe the only reason, as he says, for his year dedication to progaming is so that all the competitive gaming he has been doing since 14, and more specifically the 10 months he's been playing SC2, can pay off monetarily). Because really he may be SC2's first bonjwa, and the first foreign bonjwa at that.
“Stephano’s skill right now…. it’s over the level of Nestea. Perfect defense and completely understanding the situation and decision making… I don’t know about the other games, but if we just judge it from this match, he’s the best. (Stephano vs stC)”
You can't really judge from that match, as StC is kind of bad by Korean standard :s Idra rolled him just as hard, and Idra has(imho) a better late game than Stephano, but Stephano plays a much safer early game. Stephano has the potential to be the best zerg, but as of now it is still Nestea...by pretty far too
Since when is TheSTC considered bad by any standards? He's been at code A level since the beta.
Ehh, he's pretty bad as far as Koreans go. He was from a time early on in GSL when everyone (especially terrans) cheesed and all-inned every game. Since then he went into the military and hasn't changed his playstyle much. I have yet to see him win a game that wasn't either a full all-in, cheese, or some form of exact timing attack. He doesn't have the ability to adapt and play well on the same level as say MVP, MMA, MKP, or any number of good Korean terrans.
You should have watched IPL this weekend then.
It's true he's not MMA, MVP or MKP but that doesn't makes him bad. He's constantly proven over the year that he go toe to toe with both Code A and S players with some respectable tournament results to show for it.
I wouldn't take the "3 hours practice" statement literally. I guess it only means Stephanos actual playtime. Analyzing replays and drawing new buildorders or find weaknesses isnt sth which can be achieved while just playing 10 hrs a day.
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
At first i thought you was sarcastic... then i wonder how can people be as dumb/blind/retard select the adjective that suits you the most or take the three if you're honnest with yourself...
On October 11 2011 04:06 CarelessPride wrote: stephanio beat kiwikaki, violet, inori, thestc and lucky... kiwikaki - he's not the best even by NA standards violet- someone who WAS in code S now sucks i hate the fact they keep calling him code S player inori - took out 2 great players who i think wouldve beat stephanio in pvp thestc - the guy who already said hes bad at tvz lucky- the guy who cheesed his way through terrans and played a horrible zvz
not to take aanything away but if he faced unknown players who were bad at zerg match up if he played ryung/MMA/mc/puma then hes proven something until then i think i proved he had it easy
Theres one point i would agree with: either of those P's MC and HuK would beat Stephano if he plays offrace (inori would as well imo). Everything else seems to me like construction to prove something that isn't there. Sounds like religious thesis to me.
The interesting part about this thread is realizing how many people don't really take the time to pay attention to the games they are watching. Anyone who was trying to actually pay attention and analyze the play of Stephano would see that he was playing extremely well and much better than anyone else in the tournament. But I'm assuming a lot of people like to just kinda relax while they watch and rely on casters to tell them "the important" stuff, which is about as far from the truth as possible.
I can't blame people who like to relax while watching games, but at least have the sense to not comment on intricacies of the game. Giving your opinion on the strength of a player without taking the time to analyze what you're talking about is just silly. If you're going to relax while you watch, that's cool as long as you don't try to act like you know what you're talking about.
Reading this thread, it seems this is not just about the Korean netizens, but also a general thread about Stephano's performance at IPL3...
What i'd really like to know is if Kiwikaki created a strategy specificly to beat Stephano. I got the impression it was. And dApollo(?) said they've met before in a previous event. Kiwi's Mothership play in game 2 on Shakuras in combination with blink & cliff walking was a perfect way to negate Stephano's spinecrawler wall (and i haven't seen other Zergs make wall with the same extremely high amount of Spines).
It doesn't make Stephano's achievement more (or less) awesome, but i really want to know.
“Is he kidding me he says Protoss is the strongest race? lololololol Stephano you should go play Protoss lolololol”
Did he really say that? -.-;
Not really... There was a question in the audience, a guy asked which race they though was the strongest. Stephano answered that all players should feel their own race is the strongest - otherwise they wouldn't play it. So when MC didn't answer the question Stephano said "protoss of course" (meaning that MC should think that protoss is the strongest race).
edit: lol many people had already responded to this...
One of the most cool things of IPL3 was when Stephano, MC and Select along with Incontrol had that Q&A, Stephano had such a cool style with his funny French accent. I'm suprised not more comments from the Korean Netizens on that. xD
On October 10 2011 20:14 Probe1 wrote: Yeah I did it on purpose. Edit: Probes are terrible people.
Edit2: I should probably not sound like a total dick. I would rather people who would otherwise have missed it read this stuff and enjoy than respect Milkis disclaimer. If he is offended by the thread and wishes to open his own it will be no issue for him to close this one and open his own. I couldn't very well make a thread with a link to his without the OP being extremely weak and felt it was alright to copy and paste with credit.
Obviously if he does not approve I apologize and the thread will be immediately closed :\ Until then, just try to enjoy nice things? :3
You're actually in the clear: "Please do not take anything on this blog to post on any website with the exception of TeamLiquid and /r/Starcraft.
On October 12 2011 03:26 eYeball wrote: One of the most cool things of IPL3 was when Stephano, MC and Select along with Incontrol had that Q&A, Stephano had such a cool style with his funny French accent. I'm suprised not more comments from the Korean Netizens on that. xD
Well how can they understand that, its complete in english. in the game however there is no language barrier.
On October 12 2011 03:07 Sighstorm wrote: Stephano's spinecrawler wall (and i haven't seen other Zergs make wall with the same extremely high amount of Spines).
Interesting phenomena: Stephano apparently invented all things zergs do ever since IPL finished. I've heard him credited for mass spine crawlers, mass lings with double evo, blocking the ramp against helions with evo chambers, and more... XD
Seriously though, mass spines is what you do in the late game as zerg if you aren't playing a really base-racey muta/ling style. Nestea has done it on the GSL, for example.
So I imagine there wasn't much reaction to the spines specifically. The mothership play though, that was a thing of beauty.
Stephano is good, but there is no way I consider him NesTea caliber. Hell, I don't even consider him the best european zerg player, with Ret and Dimaga taking that title.
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