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YipCraft
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
October 06 2011 20:24 GMT
#1981
Pfft well obviously its a battle scv. Its so simple =o. Such like the WC3 peasent, it shall run back to the command center and put a flame thrower on top of its head and get two shields and become a battle scv. SCV marine all in has a whole new meaning.
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
October 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#1982
I think it's a unit that builds 2 at a time usually, and 4 at a time with a reactor. It's a mixture of a marine and a marauder, basicly, it attacks at the same speed as the marine but with the health and attack damage of a marauder. Also it can transform into a car, making it twice as fast as a hellion. You can load up 16 at a time in a medivac, and they actually then shoot out of the medivac, hence eliminating the annoyance of actually having to load and unload units. It's probably going to replace the marine as the first unit available to a terran, costing 75 minerals.

Neh, really though, it's a firebat sort of thing. An AoE-dealing biounit. That's my guess!
Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
October 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#1983
It actually might be some sort of battle SCV... see the wheels on its feet?
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
October 06 2011 20:33 GMT
#1984
On October 07 2011 05:32 Tryxtira wrote:
I think it's a unit that builds 2 at a time usually, and 4 at a time with a reactor. It's a mixture of a marine and a marauder, basicly, it attacks at the same speed as the marine but with the health and attack damage of a marauder. Also it can transform into a car, making it twice as fast as a hellion. You can load up 16 at a time in a medivac, and they actually then shoot out of the medivac, hence eliminating the annoyance of actually having to load and unload units. It's probably going to replace the marine as the first unit available to a terran, costing 75 minerals.

No way, that'd be overpowered... We're talking Terrancraft here, no op units ;-)!

Well. It looks like that Stanford guy from the campaign!? Am I the only one thinking that?
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
grappasc
Profile Joined September 2011
Belgium86 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 21:18:54
October 06 2011 20:40 GMT
#1985
The key question in my opinion is: what units are going to be removed? I recall Browder making it clear they don't like increasing the amount of units. terrans have the biggest number of combat units, so if all races get something new and even zerg is possibly getting overseer or corruptor removed, as people from blizz have hinted, I'm pretty sure terran will lose something.

I would never expect it to be marines, ghosts, tanks, because they're to some extent iconic units. there's a little bit of a mess in the starport department, but I think if they were to force themselves to find something to change about terran, they would look at barracks and factory:

thors didn't become exactly what they wanted, but I think they're okay, even though 250mm will no doubt be changed, if the unit won't be replaced. however, I see reapers, marauders and hellions as the most likely candidates. marauders lack flavor and the MM ball would look much more entertaining if marauders didn't look like just bigger marines. hellions overlap with reapers and reapers never worked out. hellions have been complained about ever since people realized they can blow up all your workers in a matter of seconds, and I recall browder saying they don't think that makes an exciting e-sport to watch either. I don't really have any problems with these units, but I think they're gonna cut something and this is where I think the only possible problems are.

my interpretation of the silhouette, the revamped firebat with 2 mines, would in my opinion make cuts among those units possible. maybe even 2 units from terran could be removed and 2 added. that would be something. and I think especially the nature of firebat would suit this sort of a scenario perfectly, because its role would be a combination of old units' roles. it wouldn't be 1 unit replacing another one, but 2 units replacing 2 units, and I think that's a little easier to balance out than it is to find a perfect, effective 1 for 1 replacement.

also, because the units are introduced in the order they appear in the campaign, we could be seeing a low tier zerg unit next, then more low tier units of any of the 3 races, and later higher tier units of different races. I believe this is what the blue post hinted, and it would also suggest that this is an infantry unit, low tier, which supports my interpretation, that it is indeed a firebat.

revamped firebat with 2 mines on page 91.

edit1: "the more interesting question" -> "the key question"
edit2: "than finding" -> "than it is to find"
HTX
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany265 Posts
October 06 2011 20:42 GMT
#1986
Its about time that the marauder gets some wheels for faster movement and the shield upgrade. Hope they add some splash damage so we will finally see some marauders in use.
The internet: a horrible collective liar
Swimcito
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy52 Posts
October 06 2011 20:43 GMT
#1987
to those wondering why they are adding another unit to terran.


So you basically want us terran to throw up $40 or something for basically the same game ??


THEY HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING, OR PEOPLE WONT BUY IT
For the Dominion !
TheDime
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2 Posts
October 06 2011 20:50 GMT
#1988
People, it's clearly a hellion that after transformation is able to hit air units.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
October 06 2011 20:51 GMT
#1989
On October 07 2011 05:43 Swimcito wrote:
to those wondering why they are adding another unit to terran.


So you basically want us terran to throw up $40 or something for basically the same game ??


THEY HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING, OR PEOPLE WONT BUY IT

it's mainly for game design. WoL isn't designed well. Many threads have been made about Terran being master race, and Warpgates screwing up Protoss design, and many other things. Even Browder has said Terran was designed too well.

Blizzard is removing and adding units in order to better design the game. If it was well-designed, they probably wouldn't be removing/adding units for HOTS.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 20:58:46
October 06 2011 20:53 GMT
#1990
I think I actually have a good idea of what this could be, does anyone else remember Dusting Browder talking about how shitty reapers have become? I think this unit is a merge of the reaper and the hellion, and my main reason for saying that is because hellions are units that are good at getting into bases and killing workers but they cant easily kill buildings, meanwhile reapers are a unit that act in an almost identical manner to the hellion, the difference is that they can kill buildings rapidly unlike hellions(this is actually why I think reapers where initially designed, to be a sort of cool covert ops unit that traveled in packs and eliminated key targets).But the reaper is just way more expensive, much harder to produce, far more likely to die and arguably less effective. 9 out 10 times what would you use, a hellion or a reaper? Its no competition,. That said it still sucks that the hellion cant kill structures across the map because of the nature of their attack. This second form could very well be an answer to that. It could be a medium-slow armoured marauder like form,or a medium-slow light to medium armoured jet packing reaper form, either way I feel that the unit will have a concussive kind of attack well suited to destroying buildings and I'm almost positive that this second form regardless of wether or not it gets jet packs(which would be awesome) will leave the reaper obsolete and therefore out of the game and it might replace the marauder as well(which is pretty much only seen in zvp) but that seems less likely. The second form will probably be a late game upgrade.

If this turns out to be right than it might also be an indicator of zerg getting a ground holding unit (think lurker but probably not exactly lurker) to combat this new mobile all purpose threat, the silhouette might've been more of a hint than we thought.

If this unit ends up merging the reaper and hellion would you guys consider that a smart decision or do you think Blizzard pretty much just gave up on fixing the reaper and said"lets just stick it in the hellion! Same thing right".
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Saint131
Profile Joined July 2011
30 Posts
October 06 2011 21:01 GMT
#1991
Wow, this looks awesome. Are there any zerg unit teasers out yet?
Hello World
aktivb
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway7 Posts
October 06 2011 21:22 GMT
#1992
On October 07 2011 05:53 gumshoe wrote:
I think this unit is a merge of the reaper and the hellion.


You beat me to it man. I was gonna say reaper-hellion.

Coming up next:
The darkswarm-casting, tunneling lurker, as a roach transform
Queen off-creep speed upgrade and AOE parasite spell
Stackable larvaeinject

The Templar, permacloaked worker-oneshotting stormcaster, buildable with twilight council
Feedback on phoenixes, useable on buildings
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Marine costs 25 gas if you want them with stim and without the tutu

ktxbai
Divergence
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada363 Posts
October 06 2011 21:39 GMT
#1993
On October 07 2011 05:43 Swimcito wrote:
to those wondering why they are adding another unit to terran.


So you basically want us terran to throw up $40 or something for basically the same game ??


THEY HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING, OR PEOPLE WONT BUY IT


Even if T gets no new units it's still not the same game.

All the non-mirror match-ups change, which changes 2/3 of the game.

Pretty sure anyone who plays SC2 will get the expansion regardless. Casuals will buy it for the campaign, but I could see some casual Terran players not buying it if T doesn't get a new unit (although they're probably just retarded).
Bellygareth
Profile Joined October 2010
France512 Posts
October 06 2011 21:42 GMT
#1994
It's just combat shield for scvs dudes
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 21:43:21
October 06 2011 21:43 GMT
#1995
On October 07 2011 05:43 Swimcito wrote:
to those wondering why they are adding another unit to terran.


So you basically want us terran to throw up $40 or something for basically the same game ??


THEY HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING, OR PEOPLE WONT BUY IT


i'd be more happy to buy it if they took out some units and add back some old units (thor -> goliath, colossus -> reaver, ms -> arbitor, just to name some obvious ones. if it aint broke, dont fix it, right?).
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latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
October 06 2011 21:44 GMT
#1996
I'd expect the marauder to go out, and maybe the healing on medivacs as well.
Arakash
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany124 Posts
October 06 2011 22:34 GMT
#1997
I really dont think thats a Infantry Unit. Simply because an Infantry with 2 shields and a Flamethrower on top of his head would be totally ridiculous (in terms of appearance and 'feeling').
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
October 06 2011 22:38 GMT
#1998
On October 07 2011 05:53 gumshoe wrote:
I think I actually have a good idea of what this could be, does anyone else remember Dusting Browder talking about how shitty reapers have become? I think this unit is a merge of the reaper and the hellion, and my main reason for saying that is because hellions are units that are good at getting into bases and killing workers but they cant easily kill buildings, meanwhile reapers are a unit that act in an almost identical manner to the hellion, the difference is that they can kill buildings rapidly unlike hellions(this is actually why I think reapers where initially designed, to be a sort of cool covert ops unit that traveled in packs and eliminated key targets).But the reaper is just way more expensive, much harder to produce, far more likely to die and arguably less effective. 9 out 10 times what would you use, a hellion or a reaper? Its no competition,. That said it still sucks that the hellion cant kill structures across the map because of the nature of their attack. This second form could very well be an answer to that. It could be a medium-slow armoured marauder like form,or a medium-slow light to medium armoured jet packing reaper form, either way I feel that the unit will have a concussive kind of attack well suited to destroying buildings and I'm almost positive that this second form regardless of wether or not it gets jet packs(which would be awesome) will leave the reaper obsolete and therefore out of the game and it might replace the marauder as well(which is pretty much only seen in zvp) but that seems less likely. The second form will probably be a late game upgrade.

If this turns out to be right than it might also be an indicator of zerg getting a ground holding unit (think lurker but probably not exactly lurker) to combat this new mobile all purpose threat, the silhouette might've been more of a hint than we thought.

If this unit ends up merging the reaper and hellion would you guys consider that a smart decision or do you think Blizzard pretty much just gave up on fixing the reaper and said"lets just stick it in the hellion! Same thing right".



We Zergs get marauders in ZvP? Damn, no wonder why i see the pros use them...
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
TiTanIum_
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil1335 Posts
October 06 2011 22:42 GMT
#1999
On October 07 2011 07:38 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 05:53 gumshoe wrote:

it might replace the marauder as well(which is pretty much only seen in zvp)




We Zergs get marauders in ZvP? Damn, no wonder why i see the pros use them...


WOW. Much better. And my guess would be that he got confused somehow.
Cosmology
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada360 Posts
October 06 2011 22:53 GMT
#2000
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Somewhere, something amazing is waiting to be known.
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