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[Interview] Code S Groups G & H Winners

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Lixler
Profile Joined March 2010
United States265 Posts
September 29 2011 04:08 GMT
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Dongraegu
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Q: You've finally shown some Code S games. How are you feeling?
A: I've played a lot of GSTL, so this was like usual and not too different. When I'm in the booth, I just try to show interesting games.

Q: It's been said that your road to Code S was easy, what do you think of that?
A: Until now, I also thought that I might not fit right in with Code S. But now I definitely think I belong in Code S. When I heard things like that, I hoped that I could be matched up with someone and win. I was promoted quickly so I didn't have much of a rising path, but I wanted to show that I was on the level of Code S, so I was not very concerned with other people's assessments.

Q: Since there are so many Terrans this season, people are saying it will be a good season for you.
A: That's the truth. It's very good. I don't know whether I will be matched with Coca, but I'd like to keep just meeting Terrans. If that keeps happening and the maps stay normal, then I think I can go not just to the finals, but could win. I'm worried that if I keep playing ZvT my style could get analyzed, but because of my management it's not too big a deal. And there are still a lot of things I haven't shown.

Q: You won't be going to MLG Orlando.
A: This isn't for any special reason. I'm already seeded for Providence, and I think that it's difficult for Zerg to have a good result. Also, I have decided that when I have free time in competition I would favor going to IEM.

Q: You used an all-in strategy in the Winner's Match.
A: Ever since the groups were decided, I had been ruling out Sangho. This is because I expected Polt to get to the Winner's Match. Today when the matches were decided I thought that if I used that all-in it would go well. And Killer also went for a really greedy early build (laughs).

Q: Who do you want to face in the Round of 16?
A: It seems like Coca will advance second out of his group, but personally I'd like to be matched against a Terran. As long as it's a Terran, it's not a big deal who it is.

Q: What kind of changes has Patch 1.4.0 brought?
A: It's changed ZvP, because recently Fungal Growth had been a major part of the matchup. But ZvT has turned out well for me. I like the hellion and barracks changes, and also I don't use Fungal Growth much in that matchup.

Q: Could you say something to Zerg fans? Please brag for once (laughs).
A: I would like it if Zerg fans would believe in me and follow me.

Q: How was Genius's condition yesterday when he returned to the team house?
A: He got really upset when he missed his forcefields and lost his high templars. It can't be helped. It was just a mistake. I hope that next season he can fix his weak points and do well.

Q: Anything else you want to say?
A: I want to thank our sponsors, Colony, Complexity, Creative Sound Blaster, and Center Point. I also want to thank my teammates for their help in practice.



Sangho
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Source - http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=794288&board=&category=13439


Q: How do you feel about being the last hope for Protoss?
A: Because I'm the last remaining Protoss, there's a weight on my shoulders. I'm glad, but also since I had to defeat a teammate to advance I feel kind of strange. I had to win in order for Protoss fans to have someone to root for, but I'm not too happy that I had to win against Polt.

Q: There was a lot of activity between you and Polt at the Group Selection, but then just before the season you became teammates.
A: I completely couldn't have predicted it. While Polt was looking for a team, he received a lot of offers but because he rated our team higher, he accepted our offer. When the Director first told me the news, I tried to adjust to it with a positive outlook. It seems that Polt likes me.

Q: Since it was such an unthinkable teamkill, it didn't feel like a teamkill.
A: It seemed completely like a teamkill to me (laughs). Since we had some time to prepare for the first game to some degree, that was alright, but I practiced for the other games with the possibility of a teamkill in mind. Even if I had to beat Polt once it would be okay, but I then had to beat him twice to advance. It was my mistake. I should have won in the Winner's Match (laughs).

Q: Why is Protoss having a hard time? Objectively speaking.
A: I will speak really objectively. It's not whining. The state of Protoss is really bleak. It doesn't look like this patch is going to bring much of a change to Terran 1-1-1. Terran has essentially not needed to adapt to the patch. To be honest, Zerg was nerfed without any mistakes, which is pitiable (laughs). For a progamer, skill is the most important thing, but since the game balance can't stay within the normal range, I'd like to hear the opinion of the game developers. With respect to Protoss's current bad state, if they would listen to advice, it could be discussed logically, so I hope that they will contact players soon. I would like to talk about it honestly with David Kim while having a glass of soju.

Q: You've become the hope of all Protoss fans.
A: At some point, I suddenly became the last Protoss. Suddenly my Twitter mentions and Mini-homepage ranking went up. The fans call me the last remaining hero, so there's a weight on my shoulders. There were a lot of people who were worried about me even more than I was after the Protosses before me fell. But I don't really think like that. I have confidence that I can advance and win. I've been receiving a lot of interest, and this is the first time that's happened. I'd like to win in fall as the last remaining Protoss. A while ago Jangbi carried the fall legend, and I saw that he had his unique jackpot in the Starleague finals.

Q: Going forward, things will become very important. How does it feel?
A: I am the last remaining Protoss, and losing in the Round of 16 would be meaningless. It might be said that getting that far is good, but I don't feel that way. Playing Protoss is tough, but I will practice to the point of blood and nausea in order to rise to the highest position.

Q: There is also GSTL for you, with your games tomorrow.
A: I practiced for GSTL and the individual leagues simultaneously. Since the beginning of the season, our team's goal has been to achieve complete victory. After seeing our unified atmosphere, it seems that we will have a good result. I have confidence that we will not end in the Round of 4 tomorrow but get to the finals.

Q: Anything else you want to say?
A: I hope that Protoss players won't beat and kick me until I drink once with David Kim, and then after that make the decision (laughs). Because I am the last Protoss, I have a responsibility and will practice very hard, so please cheer me on. I am sorry to Polt, but I sincerely want to welcome him to TSL.


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Coca
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Q: Thoughts on rising to the Round of 16 after so long?
A: I got through a group with 3 Terrans, so I'm happy. I'm happy that I was able to show that I've overcome my weaknesses.

Q: Your ZvT has really improved. What's the cause of this?
A: My teammates helped me a lot in practice. The quantity and quality of practice was very good. Through entering Slayers and working hard personally, I thought that I would be able to show good results.

Q: You avoided meeting Dongraegu in the Round of 16.
A: We Zergs have to survive together. First we have to combine our forces and eliminate the Terrans (laughs). I'm relieved to have avoided Dongraegu.

Q: Which part of your ZvT has improved the most?
A: Ensuring vision; my scouting has improved. I didn't play leisurely before, but now I am able to play much more precisely.

Q: It seems like you've had a lot of time to practice.
A: I have. I just kept practicing. Truthfully, when I was placed into Group H I was very burdened, and at a point I got tired of practicing (laughs). On top of that, it was a 3 Terran group (laughs).

Q: You will face Killer in the Round of 16.
A: Because of the patch, it seems that it won't be like before. But still, I feel confident. Since Killer is the last Protoss hope, I'm burdened by the reaction of the fans, but I cannot lose for their sake. I will definitely win.

Q: Do you think you can break the record of your best performance this season?
A: I will try to get a better result this season. If I get to the Round of 4, I will feel satisfied. I'm not sure about the finals. It's just in my imagination (laughs).

Q: Anything else you want to say?
A: Kim Gayeon really takes good care of the team. I also want to thank Cella for helping me create strategies. I want to thank all my teammates. Also, thanks to NsHoSeo_Jjakji, Zenex's Hack and Kim Hyung Mo, MVP_Dream, and FXO_asd (laughs).



Supernova
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Q: You've gotten to the Code S Round of 16 after a long time. How do you feel?
A: It was a really long time. I'm very happy. Up until this season I kept getting knocked out in the Round of 32 and things were difficult, but this time I took the Up and Downs as a chance to do better. It seems like I'm sustaining an upward trend, so I'm happy.

Q: The Up and Downs have helped you get good results?
A: To some degree it seems that way. During the Up and Downs I was able to adjust to broadcast play on the stage, and it helped my game sense too (laughs).

Q: During this time, you were knocked out in the Round of 32 twice in a row. What was the problem?
A: I was practicing neglectfully and lackadaisically. But today's games weren't like that. I poured all my strength into practicing and had a good result, so I'm glad.

Q: You had a lot of time to prepare for today's games.
A: Even though it was for a long time, I practiced really hard. I think even if I had lost today, I wouldn't have regrets. That's how satisfied I was with the extent of my practice. Of course, since I won I'm happier.

Q: You're scheduled to face Dongraegu in the Round of 16.
A: I will be meeting a very tough player. So I had wanted to advance first out of my group today. But it couldn't be helped. I've been through it, and I have to surmount this obstacle. I will practice diligently. He's not a player who I can't win against.

Q: It seems you wanted TOP to advance with you.
A: He saw my condition last season, and his heart ached. I hope that he doesn't get too distressed. This could be an opportunity. This could be a chance to improve. He will have the experience of seeing the Up and Downs once, and if he advances back out of them, he can use the momentum to recover.

Q: Today your play was generally aggressive.
A: In the past, I used to always play a defensive management style. I saw that and thought that playing aggressively could be good. So I prepared an aggressive build. No matter what, aggressive play feels more comfortable.

Q: What's your goal this season?
A: To win (laughs). I want to do my best in every game and show my improved form.

Q: Anything else you want to say?
A: I want to thank my teammates, especially Illusion, for their help in practice. He's our team's youngest player, but he helps enthusiastically. I also want to thank our team's sponsor, Mom's Touch.


+ Show Spoiler [Other interviews this season] +

Code S Ro32 A+B - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267743
Code S Ro32 C+D - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=268084
Code S Ro32 E+F - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269974
Code A Ro32 Day 1 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267335
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
September 29 2011 04:11 GMT
#2
Every single player I wanted to advance did for these groups, awesome
lunchrush
Profile Joined March 2011
United States138 Posts
September 29 2011 04:13 GMT
#3
So much thumb...
There is no order in the world around us, we must adapt ourselves to the requirements of chaos instead. -Kurt Vonnegut
MutatedMiracle
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada80 Posts
September 29 2011 04:13 GMT
#4
Thanks. =D Glad Slayers has been helping out Coca a lot.
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
September 29 2011 04:15 GMT
#5
Thanks for this. It's really nice to hear what Killer really thinks about the state of Protoss rather than trying to hold back - I often feel these interviews tend to be a bit too reserved. Also interesting to hear that DRG has more in ZvT that's yet to be shown... excited to see that.
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 29 2011 04:19 GMT
#6
DRG so confusing. He says he wasn't sure if he was code S level and then the next comment he says he thinks he can win it all?? lol I get being humble but maybe be consistent at the same time
JayChey
Profile Joined June 2011
United States92 Posts
September 29 2011 04:19 GMT
#7
With DRG improving constantly by being a monster and CoCa improving his ZvT now that he's on SlayerS, things seem to be looking up for Zergs not on IM. Really interesting to see Killer's thoughts as well, thanks for this.
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
September 29 2011 04:33 GMT
#8
Killer is seriously slowly becoming of my favorite protoss. Just watching him and seeing his personality makes me like him a lot.

Really hoping for DRG and Killer to go far!
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 29 2011 04:39 GMT
#9
Excellent. I was correct on the placings of everyone except SuperNova, thought he would probably get 3rd behind Top.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
September 29 2011 04:43 GMT
#10
Lackadaisically... This word is going to be one of my favorites.
http://grooveshark.com/#/deltrus/music
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
September 29 2011 04:43 GMT
#11
I'm happy for Supernova, the guy's the only code A finalist that has had a relatively high degree of success... His up/down results combine with this make me happy! Though he's now against DRG, who I think is still the superior player -.-. oGs HWAITING! You'll make it next time TOP!

Also, I like coca alot, he's seems to be a really cool guy and has a nice style... Hope to see him do well this season!
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
September 29 2011 04:52 GMT
#12
Thanks for the quick interviews!
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
barkles
Profile Joined May 2010
United States285 Posts
September 29 2011 04:52 GMT
#13
Thanks for the translation!

Feel bad for Sangho, the interview makes it sound like he feels a lot of pressure to do well. Hopefully he can deliver, but it will be hard...
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 29 2011 04:52 GMT
#14
Sangho seems pretty level headed I hope he gets his drink with David Kim :D
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
September 29 2011 04:52 GMT
#15
On September 29 2011 13:43 ImmortalTofu wrote:
I'm happy for Supernova, the guy's the only code A finalist that has had a relatively high degree of success...


I think you are forgetting about LosirA... The guy who beat him in code A finals
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
September 29 2011 04:57 GMT
#16
On September 29 2011 13:52 Clog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 13:43 ImmortalTofu wrote:
I'm happy for Supernova, the guy's the only code A finalist that has had a relatively high degree of success...


I think you are forgetting about LosirA... The guy who beat him in code A finals


I would throw Bomber and MVP in there too.
Erionn
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1015 Posts
September 29 2011 04:58 GMT
#17
On September 29 2011 13:43 ImmortalTofu wrote:
I'm happy for Supernova, the guy's the only code A finalist that has had a relatively high degree of success

I dunno man, Losira Bomber and MVP were Code A finalists.
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 05:01:30
September 29 2011 04:58 GMT
#18
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 29 2011 04:58 GMT
#19
Sangho just gained a fan XD Having said that, nice to see DRG and Coca advance
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
September 29 2011 05:00 GMT
#20
okay, lol sangho beating himself up on taking out polt twice.

i dunno about his chances vs coca though
chocolatebunny
Profile Joined September 2011
301 Posts
September 29 2011 05:01 GMT
#21
yeah coca. joining a team with some of the best terran v zergs in the world should help you with your ZvT.
i didn't know who you were before last MLG >.<, but i do know who you are now :D
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 05:02:43
September 29 2011 05:02 GMT
#22
I'm not going to lie, I was disappointed when it became clear the hopes of Aiur rested on SangHo's shoulders instead of Puzzle's. He's never inspired me like the more innovative toss have, but at the same time, I really like the guy, particularly his levelheadedness.

I'm hoping for a Fruitdealer-esque run in these dark days.

Also someone needs to get a sadzealot cheerful into his booth.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 29 2011 05:27 GMT
#23
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa

MC picked that map when he had to play vs taeja and said after in a interview that he picked it because the 1/1/1 was impossible on that map.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 05:30:22
September 29 2011 05:30 GMT
#24
Sangho's be gonna drinking mothafucking Soju while discussing balance.

What a baller
In the woods, there lurks..
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
September 29 2011 05:32 GMT
#25
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa

tbh after watching that VOD I think bomber and puma are way better than MVP at executing the 1-1-1 build. Tails didn't even play the right build and had significantly less supply than the conventional 1 gate expo immortal defense.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
September 29 2011 05:48 GMT
#26
Playing Protoss is tough, but I will practice to the point of blood and nausea in order to rise to the highest position.

How could you not root for this guy?!

Really happy about the Code S results (besides Huk's group), this is going to be the best ro16 I think! (player skill wise)
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
September 29 2011 05:49 GMT
#27
Sangho just bossing it up as usual

He's gonna roll Coca and silence all his haters.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
September 29 2011 05:49 GMT
#28
I hate their thumbs so badly. Just stop doing it, so silly OMG.

btw I like SangHo's interview hehe
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
September 29 2011 05:51 GMT
#29
thank you for the interviews! : ) drg & coca fighting! :D
^^
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
September 29 2011 06:01 GMT
#30
Sangho: A while ago Jangbi carried the fall legend, and I saw that he had his unique jackpot in the Starleague finals.

Yeah buddy. You too can be a Fall legend : )
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 06:10:57
September 29 2011 06:07 GMT
#31
On September 29 2011 14:32 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa

tbh after watching that VOD I think bomber and puma are way better than MVP at executing the 1-1-1 build. Tails didn't even play the right build and had significantly less supply than the conventional 1 gate expo immortal defense.




okay its safe to say mvp is terrible at 111( yet somehow the best terran in the world cant execute an overpowered strategy on a no name protoss) and @ Maghetti its also safe to say crossfire is the worst map for 111 . Is that we are saying here? Lawl protoss players.....
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
September 29 2011 06:15 GMT
#32
Legend of the Fall Returns in GSL? Even though I'm a zerg player I'm rooting hard to Killer!!
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
September 29 2011 06:17 GMT
#33
On September 29 2011 15:07 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 14:32 iamke55 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa

tbh after watching that VOD I think bomber and puma are way better than MVP at executing the 1-1-1 build. Tails didn't even play the right build and had significantly less supply than the conventional 1 gate expo immortal defense.




okay its safe to say mvp is terrible at 111( yet somehow the best terran in the world cant execute an overpowered strategy on a no name protoss) and @ Maghetti its also safe to say crossfire is the worst map for 111 . Is that we are saying here? Lawl protoss players.....

Are you stupid or just trolling?

MVP has said it himself that he does not like to use the 1/1/1 because he thinks it's OP. So why would he be better at a build he doesn't use than players that use it and practice it more than he does?

I love crazymoving
BabyKnight
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 06:22:57
September 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#34
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


Just because Tails holds (sort of) a 1-1-1 (he made cloak instead of raven, so it's a different build) ON CROSSFIRE, doesn't mean the 1-1-1 has finally been solved. I don't quite remember the earlygame of that match, but I also believe Tails either fast expanded, or 1gate expanded (Cus if you don't, you basically just lose to 1-1-1).
Also, sure they made some blunders, but Terrans makes blunders all the time, it's just not as detrimental when they do it, cus Protoss is so much more unforgiving.
Killer took huge risks with his buils, he was banking on the fact that polt wouldn't attack him for the first 15 minutes of the game. Protoss needs builds that are just safe against then 1-1-1, but doesn't leave you vulnerable or in a bad spot vs other builds. It's not like the game is hugely imbalanced or anything, Protoss do beat Terrans, and Zergs, Protoss are just having a tough time lately, and you oughta be able to recognize that it's not because the players are worse.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 29 2011 06:31 GMT
#35
On September 29 2011 15:07 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 14:32 iamke55 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa

tbh after watching that VOD I think bomber and puma are way better than MVP at executing the 1-1-1 build. Tails didn't even play the right build and had significantly less supply than the conventional 1 gate expo immortal defense.




okay its safe to say mvp is terrible at 111( yet somehow the best terran in the world cant execute an overpowered strategy on a no name protoss) and @ Maghetti its also safe to say crossfire is the worst map for 111 . Is that we are saying here? Lawl protoss players.....

You said it was the best map for the 1/1/1, I was just saying I have heard otherwise and have almost never seen it on that map.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 29 2011 06:32 GMT
#36
On September 29 2011 15:17 Flonomenalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 15:07 jinixxx123 wrote:
On September 29 2011 14:32 iamke55 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa

tbh after watching that VOD I think bomber and puma are way better than MVP at executing the 1-1-1 build. Tails didn't even play the right build and had significantly less supply than the conventional 1 gate expo immortal defense.




okay its safe to say mvp is terrible at 111( yet somehow the best terran in the world cant execute an overpowered strategy on a no name protoss) and @ Maghetti its also safe to say crossfire is the worst map for 111 . Is that we are saying here? Lawl protoss players.....

Are you stupid or just trolling?

MVP has said it himself that he does not like to use the 1/1/1 because he thinks it's OP. So why would he be better at a build he doesn't use than players that use it and practice it more than he does?



Lets pretend we all play protoss @ killer/mc/whoever's level and tell them what is REALLY wrong with the matchup. FFS im pretty sure that MC is correct when he says crossfire is one of the worst maps for 111 because force fields are so fucking good on that map and im also pretty sure that Killer is right when he says that the 111 did not change. All that changed with the patch is immortal range +1 which doesnt really affect their performance against marines unless I completely missed something.

Again, are you a troll or just stupid OR both?
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 06:35:52
September 29 2011 06:34 GMT
#37
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


really zergs have been cleaing up protosses? unless I am mistaken its 3-1 favoring zerg in Code S pvz. Yeah didn't realize that took down 4 tosses and the zergs that won were completely terrible and should not have beaten the protoss players they beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
DRG > Genius, Losira > hongun, Huk > Zenio, July > Hongun


On a note liked the interviews and was really happy to see DRG make ro16 really hope that he makes it far or wins he's definitely in my top 3 of favorite zergs
When I think of something else, something will go here
StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
September 29 2011 07:04 GMT
#38
Sangho is such a boss! :D
Twitter: @Strintern Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/strintern
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 07:25:52
September 29 2011 07:08 GMT
#39
On September 29 2011 15:34 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


really zergs have been cleaing up protosses? unless I am mistaken its 3-1 favoring zerg in Code S pvz. Yeah didn't realize that took down 4 tosses and the zergs that won were completely terrible and should not have beaten the protoss players they beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
DRG > Genius, Losira > hongun, Huk > Zenio, July > Hongun


On a note liked the interviews and was really happy to see DRG make ro16 really hope that he makes it far or wins he's definitely in my top 3 of favorite zergs



dude, you are referring to 1 day of matches, since when protoss has been struggling for 1 day? As its well known protoss been struggling for quite a while now. When terrans took all the blame for erradicating the protoss's, the zergs were doing it silently also .

-mc loves to whine against terran, but you know who knocked him out of the gsl completely? a no creep spreading zerg by the name of monster ,yet in complete fucking hypocrisy you see no complaints of imba because everybody is on a terran hate bandwagon. Mc also looses pretty fucking badly to Losira in arena of legends. The dude is just bad right now, but the loyalists will rather site imba

-naniwa loves to whine against terran, however in both his CODE A attempts, you know what race knocked him out ? zerg... hahahaha didnt even play a terran... Lets see Fruitdealer raped him last code A, and fxo lucky raped him the season before, both code A invites down the drain to zerg players


lets look at other protoss players, Hongun/killer/alicia ... hongun ever since the start has been known as a cheesing player, he loves his void rays, Alicia started off good, but after that rape from losira (0:2) hes never been the same, he got fucking knocked out by Tod pvp at mlg, he lost to select gosu micro, but ofcourse his demise is not because of bad play but because of imba.
clearly we have protoss pros playing , and then you have killer who just made the best terran vs protoss player Polt (statistically 94% gsl winrate before this series) look bad with quick 0:2


Then you even make a point as to say DRG isnt suppose to loose to those toss players anyway? which proves my point, the current code S toss representation is BAD players, They are good but when they meet anybody with a name they are supposed to loose regardless of whether they are playing against a terran or Zerg, And tthats my point, Zerg has been secretly eradicating them also, yet terran takes all the blame.

the fact is, The new up and coming protoss's are way better than the toss's currently in code S. I'd save my balance opinions until these guys make it to code S. Likewise blizzard seems to be on point, Waiting it out first before any real action.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 29 2011 07:12 GMT
#40
Alright SangHo! Been rooting for you since GSL2. Now is your time to shine, with all of hopes and dreams of Aiur on your shoulders. Win this GSL and you will be immortalized forever.
Shorty90
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany154 Posts
September 29 2011 07:14 GMT
#41
To be honest, Zerg was nerfed without any mistakes, which is pitiable (laughs).


I don't get that sentence.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
September 29 2011 07:19 GMT
#42
On September 29 2011 16:14 Shorty90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
To be honest, Zerg was nerfed without any mistakes, which is pitiable (laughs).


I don't get that sentence.


I think he meant that they didn't deserve to get nerfed.

Rooting for Sangho, felt so bad for him after what happened in BW...
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
September 29 2011 07:24 GMT
#43
On September 29 2011 16:08 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 15:34 blade55555 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


really zergs have been cleaing up protosses? unless I am mistaken its 3-1 favoring zerg in Code S pvz. Yeah didn't realize that took down 4 tosses and the zergs that won were completely terrible and should not have beaten the protoss players they beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
DRG > Genius, Losira > hongun, Huk > Zenio, July > Hongun


On a note liked the interviews and was really happy to see DRG make ro16 really hope that he makes it far or wins he's definitely in my top 3 of favorite zergs



dude, you are referring to 1 day of matches, since when protoss has been struggling for 1 day? As its well known protoss been struggling for quite a while now. When terrans took all the blame for erradicating the protoss's, the zergs were doing it silently also .

-mc loves to whine against terran, but you know who knocked him out of the gsl completely? a no creep spreading zerg by the name of monster ,yet in complete fucking hypocrisy you see no complaints of imba because everybody is on a terran hate bandwagon. Mc also looses pretty fucking badly to Losira in arena of legends. The dude is just bad right now, but the loyalists will rather site imba

-naniwa loves to whine against terran, however in both his CODE A attempts, you know what race knocked him out ? zerg... hahahaha didnt even play a terran... Lets see Fruitdealer raped him last code A, and fxo lucky raped him the season before, both code A invites down the drain to zerg players


lets look at other protoss players, Hongun/killer/alicia ... hongun ever since the start has been known as a cheesing player, he loves his void rays, Alicia started off good, but after that rape from losira (0:2) hes never been the same, he got fucking knocked out by Tod pvp at mlg, he lost to select gosu micro, but ofcourse his demise is not because of bad play but because of imba.
clearly we have protoss pros playing.


Then you even make a point as to say DRG isnt suppose to loose to those toss players anyway? which proves my point, the current code S toss representation is BAD players, They are good but when they meet anybody with a name they are supposed to loose regardless of whether they are playing against a terran or Zerg, And tthats my point, Zerg has been secretly eradicating them also, yet terran takes all the blame.

the fact is, The new up and coming protoss's are way better than the toss's currently in code S. I'd save my balance opinions until these guys make it to code S. Likewise blizzard seems to be on point, Waiting it out first before any real action.

You are completely irrational. Protoss has been defeating Zerg just as much as Zerg has been defeating Protoss this season. Winrate 48.5%. You clearly don't watch the up and down matches where 3 different Terrans do the 1/1/1 to the P players and win every single game. Cite me a game where a Protoss player severely outplayed the Zerg player but lost due to imba. The current reason there are no Protoss in Code S are because the Terrans win every single up and down group. There is a reason JYP has failed in up and down and it isn't Zerg.

As it currently stands, Protoss and Zerg players have won equal amounts this GSL, so I would suggest you be quiet on your uneducated opinion.
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 07:36:42
September 29 2011 07:32 GMT
#44
On September 29 2011 16:24 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 16:08 jinixxx123 wrote:
On September 29 2011 15:34 blade55555 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


really zergs have been cleaing up protosses? unless I am mistaken its 3-1 favoring zerg in Code S pvz. Yeah didn't realize that took down 4 tosses and the zergs that won were completely terrible and should not have beaten the protoss players they beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
DRG > Genius, Losira > hongun, Huk > Zenio, July > Hongun


On a note liked the interviews and was really happy to see DRG make ro16 really hope that he makes it far or wins he's definitely in my top 3 of favorite zergs



dude, you are referring to 1 day of matches, since when protoss has been struggling for 1 day? As its well known protoss been struggling for quite a while now. When terrans took all the blame for erradicating the protoss's, the zergs were doing it silently also .

-mc loves to whine against terran, but you know who knocked him out of the gsl completely? a no creep spreading zerg by the name of monster ,yet in complete fucking hypocrisy you see no complaints of imba because everybody is on a terran hate bandwagon. Mc also looses pretty fucking badly to Losira in arena of legends. The dude is just bad right now, but the loyalists will rather site imba

-naniwa loves to whine against terran, however in both his CODE A attempts, you know what race knocked him out ? zerg... hahahaha didnt even play a terran... Lets see Fruitdealer raped him last code A, and fxo lucky raped him the season before, both code A invites down the drain to zerg players


lets look at other protoss players, Hongun/killer/alicia ... hongun ever since the start has been known as a cheesing player, he loves his void rays, Alicia started off good, but after that rape from losira (0:2) hes never been the same, he got fucking knocked out by Tod pvp at mlg, he lost to select gosu micro, but ofcourse his demise is not because of bad play but because of imba.
clearly we have protoss pros playing.


Then you even make a point as to say DRG isnt suppose to loose to those toss players anyway? which proves my point, the current code S toss representation is BAD players, They are good but when they meet anybody with a name they are supposed to loose regardless of whether they are playing against a terran or Zerg, And tthats my point, Zerg has been secretly eradicating them also, yet terran takes all the blame.

the fact is, The new up and coming protoss's are way better than the toss's currently in code S. I'd save my balance opinions until these guys make it to code S. Likewise blizzard seems to be on point, Waiting it out first before any real action.

You are completely irrational. Protoss has been defeating Zerg just as much as Zerg has been defeating Protoss this season. Winrate 48.5%. You clearly don't watch the up and down matches where 3 different Terrans do the 1/1/1 to the P players and win every single game. Cite me a game where a Protoss player severely outplayed the Zerg player but lost due to imba. The current reason there are no Protoss in Code S are because the Terrans win every single up and down group. There is a reason JYP has failed in up and down and it isn't Zerg.

As it currently stands, Protoss and Zerg players have won equal amounts this GSL, so I would suggest you be quiet on your uneducated opinion.



and what is my opinion ? that im lieing when i say the current S level protoss are performing bad? and that im saying protoss is actually doing well this season? ( i mentioned the noticeable wins toss has got this season just a couple posts above) because thats EXACTLY WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING, thanks for proving my point. you bandwagon toss's are just like zergs in the first 2 gsl seasons.. sighting zerg as underpowered yet they win the whole fucking thing. Fruitdealer won season 1 easily, nestea won season 2 easily with only dropping games in the final on imba small maps, yet ofcourse terran is imba then and terran is imba now.

As i said, the current Protoss in code S is not a good indication of judging balance currently ( especially since the latest patch) that protoss is going to be doing bad in the future. I have currently seen much improvement from toss's in general and my whole fucking point is to lessen the whining about this protoss underpowered crap.
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong747 Posts
September 29 2011 07:44 GMT
#45
On September 29 2011 16:19 LuckyMacro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 16:14 Shorty90 wrote:
To be honest, Zerg was nerfed without any mistakes, which is pitiable (laughs).


I don't get that sentence.


I think he meant that they didn't deserve to get nerfed.

Rooting for Sangho, felt so bad for him after what happened in BW...


Hmm I don't think so - the way I interpret it is that he was hoping for zergs to get overnerfed but it didnt, it was nerfed 'just right' (ie no mistakes on blizzards part), thats how I see it from his point of view personally~
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
September 29 2011 07:44 GMT
#46
polt and killer were like rivals, but now they are on the same team xD

Anyways, good luck killer! :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 07:46:42
September 29 2011 07:45 GMT
#47
On September 29 2011 16:32 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 16:24 Micket wrote:
On September 29 2011 16:08 jinixxx123 wrote:
On September 29 2011 15:34 blade55555 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


really zergs have been cleaing up protosses? unless I am mistaken its 3-1 favoring zerg in Code S pvz. Yeah didn't realize that took down 4 tosses and the zergs that won were completely terrible and should not have beaten the protoss players they beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
DRG > Genius, Losira > hongun, Huk > Zenio, July > Hongun


On a note liked the interviews and was really happy to see DRG make ro16 really hope that he makes it far or wins he's definitely in my top 3 of favorite zergs



dude, you are referring to 1 day of matches, since when protoss has been struggling for 1 day? As its well known protoss been struggling for quite a while now. When terrans took all the blame for erradicating the protoss's, the zergs were doing it silently also .

-mc loves to whine against terran, but you know who knocked him out of the gsl completely? a no creep spreading zerg by the name of monster ,yet in complete fucking hypocrisy you see no complaints of imba because everybody is on a terran hate bandwagon. Mc also looses pretty fucking badly to Losira in arena of legends. The dude is just bad right now, but the loyalists will rather site imba

-naniwa loves to whine against terran, however in both his CODE A attempts, you know what race knocked him out ? zerg... hahahaha didnt even play a terran... Lets see Fruitdealer raped him last code A, and fxo lucky raped him the season before, both code A invites down the drain to zerg players


lets look at other protoss players, Hongun/killer/alicia ... hongun ever since the start has been known as a cheesing player, he loves his void rays, Alicia started off good, but after that rape from losira (0:2) hes never been the same, he got fucking knocked out by Tod pvp at mlg, he lost to select gosu micro, but ofcourse his demise is not because of bad play but because of imba.
clearly we have protoss pros playing.


Then you even make a point as to say DRG isnt suppose to loose to those toss players anyway? which proves my point, the current code S toss representation is BAD players, They are good but when they meet anybody with a name they are supposed to loose regardless of whether they are playing against a terran or Zerg, And tthats my point, Zerg has been secretly eradicating them also, yet terran takes all the blame.

the fact is, The new up and coming protoss's are way better than the toss's currently in code S. I'd save my balance opinions until these guys make it to code S. Likewise blizzard seems to be on point, Waiting it out first before any real action.

You are completely irrational. Protoss has been defeating Zerg just as much as Zerg has been defeating Protoss this season. Winrate 48.5%. You clearly don't watch the up and down matches where 3 different Terrans do the 1/1/1 to the P players and win every single game. Cite me a game where a Protoss player severely outplayed the Zerg player but lost due to imba. The current reason there are no Protoss in Code S are because the Terrans win every single up and down group. There is a reason JYP has failed in up and down and it isn't Zerg.

As it currently stands, Protoss and Zerg players have won equal amounts this GSL, so I would suggest you be quiet on your uneducated opinion.



and what is my opinion ? that im lieing when i say the current S level protoss are performing bad? and that im saying protoss is actually doing well this season? ( i mentioned the noticeable wins toss has got this season just a couple posts above) because thats EXACTLY WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING, thanks for proving my point. you bandwagon toss's are just like zergs in the first 2 gsl seasons.. sighting zerg as underpowered yet they win the whole fucking thing. Fruitdealer won season 1 easily, nestea won season 2 easily with only dropping games in the final on imba small maps, yet ofcourse terran is imba then and terran is imba now.

As i said, the current Protoss in code S is not a good indication of judging balance currently ( especially since the latest patch) that protoss is going to be doing bad in the future. I have currently seen much improvement from toss's in general and my whole fucking point is to lessen the whining about this protoss underpowered crap.


I am starting to think you mis read my post or either didn't inherit the sarcasm for the post I quoted. The guy I quoted was saying how bad protoss is for pvz and how every protoss was getting knocked out by zergs in code S when in reality its almost all by terran. I wasn't even talking very much about balance but to judge imba on 4 zvp games in code S is just lol when as someone said the win/loss ratio for pvz is 48.something % zerg favore so 52 vs 48 really isn't anywhere near as bad as the person I quoted makes it sound (also off of a very small sample of 4 games!)
When I think of something else, something will go here
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 08:05:33
September 29 2011 07:57 GMT
#48
On September 29 2011 16:45 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 16:32 jinixxx123 wrote:
On September 29 2011 16:24 Micket wrote:
On September 29 2011 16:08 jinixxx123 wrote:
On September 29 2011 15:34 blade55555 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


really zergs have been cleaing up protosses? unless I am mistaken its 3-1 favoring zerg in Code S pvz. Yeah didn't realize that took down 4 tosses and the zergs that won were completely terrible and should not have beaten the protoss players they beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
DRG > Genius, Losira > hongun, Huk > Zenio, July > Hongun


On a note liked the interviews and was really happy to see DRG make ro16 really hope that he makes it far or wins he's definitely in my top 3 of favorite zergs



dude, you are referring to 1 day of matches, since when protoss has been struggling for 1 day? As its well known protoss been struggling for quite a while now. When terrans took all the blame for erradicating the protoss's, the zergs were doing it silently also .

-mc loves to whine against terran, but you know who knocked him out of the gsl completely? a no creep spreading zerg by the name of monster ,yet in complete fucking hypocrisy you see no complaints of imba because everybody is on a terran hate bandwagon. Mc also looses pretty fucking badly to Losira in arena of legends. The dude is just bad right now, but the loyalists will rather site imba

-naniwa loves to whine against terran, however in both his CODE A attempts, you know what race knocked him out ? zerg... hahahaha didnt even play a terran... Lets see Fruitdealer raped him last code A, and fxo lucky raped him the season before, both code A invites down the drain to zerg players


lets look at other protoss players, Hongun/killer/alicia ... hongun ever since the start has been known as a cheesing player, he loves his void rays, Alicia started off good, but after that rape from losira (0:2) hes never been the same, he got fucking knocked out by Tod pvp at mlg, he lost to select gosu micro, but ofcourse his demise is not because of bad play but because of imba.
clearly we have protoss pros playing.


Then you even make a point as to say DRG isnt suppose to loose to those toss players anyway? which proves my point, the current code S toss representation is BAD players, They are good but when they meet anybody with a name they are supposed to loose regardless of whether they are playing against a terran or Zerg, And tthats my point, Zerg has been secretly eradicating them also, yet terran takes all the blame.

the fact is, The new up and coming protoss's are way better than the toss's currently in code S. I'd save my balance opinions until these guys make it to code S. Likewise blizzard seems to be on point, Waiting it out first before any real action.

You are completely irrational. Protoss has been defeating Zerg just as much as Zerg has been defeating Protoss this season. Winrate 48.5%. You clearly don't watch the up and down matches where 3 different Terrans do the 1/1/1 to the P players and win every single game. Cite me a game where a Protoss player severely outplayed the Zerg player but lost due to imba. The current reason there are no Protoss in Code S are because the Terrans win every single up and down group. There is a reason JYP has failed in up and down and it isn't Zerg.

As it currently stands, Protoss and Zerg players have won equal amounts this GSL, so I would suggest you be quiet on your uneducated opinion.



and what is my opinion ? that im lieing when i say the current S level protoss are performing bad? and that im saying protoss is actually doing well this season? ( i mentioned the noticeable wins toss has got this season just a couple posts above) because thats EXACTLY WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING, thanks for proving my point. you bandwagon toss's are just like zergs in the first 2 gsl seasons.. sighting zerg as underpowered yet they win the whole fucking thing. Fruitdealer won season 1 easily, nestea won season 2 easily with only dropping games in the final on imba small maps, yet ofcourse terran is imba then and terran is imba now.

As i said, the current Protoss in code S is not a good indication of judging balance currently ( especially since the latest patch) that protoss is going to be doing bad in the future. I have currently seen much improvement from toss's in general and my whole fucking point is to lessen the whining about this protoss underpowered crap.


I am starting to think you mis read my post or either didn't inherit the sarcasm for the post I quoted. The guy I quoted was saying how bad protoss is for pvz and how every protoss was getting knocked out by zergs in code S when in reality its almost all by terran. I wasn't even talking very much about balance but to judge imba on 4 zvp games in code S is just lol when as someone said the win/loss ratio for pvz is 48.something % zerg favore so 52 vs 48 really isn't anywhere near as bad as the person I quoted makes it sound (also off of a very small sample of 4 games!)



yea and your also mistaking my comment about protoss's loosing to zergs alot but you only want to sight the most recent code A season when this has been going on for much longer than that, The fact is terrans meet up toss's way more in general because there are way more terrans, but when zergs meet up the protoss's they simply do not loose ( and again im refering to previous seasons)


another LOLER point i will like show is the demise of MC, this trend had started long ago where he was loosing alot ( Mc citing reasons as not going to many foreign tournaments to catch up on practice because even he noticed he was not performing up to par)


Lets see, for previous gsl's he lost to Alica and Hongun which knocked him out of 2 gsl seasons( alica knocked him out of super tournament, hongun knocked him out of the previous season before this) yet when he meets up a terran ( of his own choice, he choose mvp) then ofcourse once he looses terran is imba yet when he got knocked out of gsl by alica it wasnt because of imba and then when he got knocked out of gsl by hongun it wasnt because of imba and when hes knocked out of the gsl Completely by monster( a zerg) and Ofcourse when MC looses, it means All protoss's loose hope. Lets be frank around here please, ever since mc started loosing to basically everybody this protoss bandwagon started because hes the so-called protoss president . If he looses it means shit is imba.

I will tell you whats the problem, To much toss's copied the suicide toss to the core( MC) and are now paying the price for such risky builds because yes infact Mc pioneered alot of these builds, but likewise because MC has fallen, it should be of clear indication that his builds could not stand the test of time and that the New protoss's on the block ( sage,jyp,hero) are the new talent up & coming.


up to now i havent heard of any terran that didnt deserve to win his up & downs that you want to sight imbalance for
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 29 2011 08:04 GMT
#49
On September 29 2011 16:44 Zealot Lord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 16:19 LuckyMacro wrote:
On September 29 2011 16:14 Shorty90 wrote:
To be honest, Zerg was nerfed without any mistakes, which is pitiable (laughs).


I don't get that sentence.


I think he meant that they didn't deserve to get nerfed.

Rooting for Sangho, felt so bad for him after what happened in BW...


Hmm I don't think so - the way I interpret it is that he was hoping for zergs to get overnerfed but it didnt, it was nerfed 'just right' (ie no mistakes on blizzards part), thats how I see it from his point of view personally~

It seems pretty clear to me he means zerg shouldn't have been nerfed. Who else would he be pittying? it read like "zerg weren't actually doing anything OP like the terrans were but they got nerfed anyways, i pitty them" to me.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 08:22:18
September 29 2011 08:21 GMT
#50
On September 29 2011 16:57 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 16:45 blade55555 wrote:
On September 29 2011 16:32 jinixxx123 wrote:
On September 29 2011 16:24 Micket wrote:
On September 29 2011 16:08 jinixxx123 wrote:
On September 29 2011 15:34 blade55555 wrote:
On September 29 2011 13:58 jinixxx123 wrote:
hmm, the killer comments were a bit weird, first he says 111 didnt get solved, yet mvp tails displayed this to not be the case when immvp failed it against him on the best map for it. And then his easy 2:0 over the greatest terran vs protoss player ( polt) meant nothing? Then he pretends as if terran is the reason protoss is doing bad when zergs clean up the current S level toss's like no tomorrow.


lets do a recap shall we, Puzzle lost because he made horrible blunders, Genius lost because he made a terrible blunder of fighting in bunkers , Just meh.. Just wait till better protoss such as sage get into code S , they will make killers comments look dumb , asking for a drink with david kim hahaa


really zergs have been cleaing up protosses? unless I am mistaken its 3-1 favoring zerg in Code S pvz. Yeah didn't realize that took down 4 tosses and the zergs that won were completely terrible and should not have beaten the protoss players they beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
DRG > Genius, Losira > hongun, Huk > Zenio, July > Hongun


On a note liked the interviews and was really happy to see DRG make ro16 really hope that he makes it far or wins he's definitely in my top 3 of favorite zergs



dude, you are referring to 1 day of matches, since when protoss has been struggling for 1 day? As its well known protoss been struggling for quite a while now. When terrans took all the blame for erradicating the protoss's, the zergs were doing it silently also .

-mc loves to whine against terran, but you know who knocked him out of the gsl completely? a no creep spreading zerg by the name of monster ,yet in complete fucking hypocrisy you see no complaints of imba because everybody is on a terran hate bandwagon. Mc also looses pretty fucking badly to Losira in arena of legends. The dude is just bad right now, but the loyalists will rather site imba

-naniwa loves to whine against terran, however in both his CODE A attempts, you know what race knocked him out ? zerg... hahahaha didnt even play a terran... Lets see Fruitdealer raped him last code A, and fxo lucky raped him the season before, both code A invites down the drain to zerg players


lets look at other protoss players, Hongun/killer/alicia ... hongun ever since the start has been known as a cheesing player, he loves his void rays, Alicia started off good, but after that rape from losira (0:2) hes never been the same, he got fucking knocked out by Tod pvp at mlg, he lost to select gosu micro, but ofcourse his demise is not because of bad play but because of imba.
clearly we have protoss pros playing.


Then you even make a point as to say DRG isnt suppose to loose to those toss players anyway? which proves my point, the current code S toss representation is BAD players, They are good but when they meet anybody with a name they are supposed to loose regardless of whether they are playing against a terran or Zerg, And tthats my point, Zerg has been secretly eradicating them also, yet terran takes all the blame.

the fact is, The new up and coming protoss's are way better than the toss's currently in code S. I'd save my balance opinions until these guys make it to code S. Likewise blizzard seems to be on point, Waiting it out first before any real action.

You are completely irrational. Protoss has been defeating Zerg just as much as Zerg has been defeating Protoss this season. Winrate 48.5%. You clearly don't watch the up and down matches where 3 different Terrans do the 1/1/1 to the P players and win every single game. Cite me a game where a Protoss player severely outplayed the Zerg player but lost due to imba. The current reason there are no Protoss in Code S are because the Terrans win every single up and down group. There is a reason JYP has failed in up and down and it isn't Zerg.

As it currently stands, Protoss and Zerg players have won equal amounts this GSL, so I would suggest you be quiet on your uneducated opinion.



and what is my opinion ? that im lieing when i say the current S level protoss are performing bad? and that im saying protoss is actually doing well this season? ( i mentioned the noticeable wins toss has got this season just a couple posts above) because thats EXACTLY WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING, thanks for proving my point. you bandwagon toss's are just like zergs in the first 2 gsl seasons.. sighting zerg as underpowered yet they win the whole fucking thing. Fruitdealer won season 1 easily, nestea won season 2 easily with only dropping games in the final on imba small maps, yet ofcourse terran is imba then and terran is imba now.

As i said, the current Protoss in code S is not a good indication of judging balance currently ( especially since the latest patch) that protoss is going to be doing bad in the future. I have currently seen much improvement from toss's in general and my whole fucking point is to lessen the whining about this protoss underpowered crap.


I am starting to think you mis read my post or either didn't inherit the sarcasm for the post I quoted. The guy I quoted was saying how bad protoss is for pvz and how every protoss was getting knocked out by zergs in code S when in reality its almost all by terran. I wasn't even talking very much about balance but to judge imba on 4 zvp games in code S is just lol when as someone said the win/loss ratio for pvz is 48.something % zerg favore so 52 vs 48 really isn't anywhere near as bad as the person I quoted makes it sound (also off of a very small sample of 4 games!)



yea and your also mistaking my comment about protoss's loosing to zergs alot but you only want to sight the most recent code A season when this has been going on for much longer than that, The fact is terrans meet up toss's way more in general because there are way more terrans, but when zergs meet up the protoss's they simply do not loose ( and again im refering to previous seasons)


another LOLER point i will like show is the demise of MC, this trend had started long ago where he was loosing alot ( Mc citing reasons as not going to many foreign tournaments to catch up on practice because even he noticed he was not performing up to par)


Lets see, for previous gsl's he lost to Alica and Hongun which knocked him out of 2 gsl seasons( alica knocked him out of super tournament, hongun knocked him out of the previous season before this) yet when he meets up a terran ( of his own choice, he choose mvp) then ofcourse once he looses terran is imba yet when he got knocked out of gsl by alica it wasnt because of imba and then when he got knocked out of gsl by hongun it wasnt because of imba and when hes knocked out of the gsl Completely by monster( a zerg) and Ofcourse when MC looses, it means All protoss's loose hope. Lets be frank around here please, ever since mc started loosing to basically everybody this protoss bandwagon started because hes the so-called protoss president . If he looses it means shit is imba.

I will tell you whats the problem, To much toss's copied the suicide toss to the core( MC) and are now paying the price for such risky builds because yes infact Mc pioneered alot of these builds, but likewise because MC has fallen, it should be of clear indication that his builds could not stand the test of time and that the New protoss's on the block ( sage,jyp,hero) are the new talent up & coming.


up to now i havent heard of any terran that didnt deserve to win his up & downs that you want to sight imbalance for



lol ok I'm not going to argue with you its just there are a lot more pvt then there is zvp its not really debatable and that was my point. Even before hand there were not many zvp's compared to pvt/zvt.
When I think of something else, something will go here
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
September 29 2011 08:24 GMT
#51
thx u XD

DRG+COCA looking good
DeathPengu
Profile Joined January 2011
Taiwan137 Posts
September 29 2011 08:50 GMT
#52
Thanks for the translation as always!
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
September 29 2011 08:58 GMT
#53
I felt these interviews didn't feel as bland and boring as usual. The players were talking quite a lot directly from their heart and tried to express their feeling. I really enjoyed that
Adrone
Profile Joined March 2011
Taiwan6 Posts
September 29 2011 10:11 GMT
#54
Thank you for translating!
Interviews are one of the best parts of GSL!
Real fun to know what the players' thoughts
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 29 2011 10:29 GMT
#55
Lixler you're a boss <3
Very good Sangho interview btw. DRG was good too.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
September 29 2011 10:44 GMT
#56
It's more that DRG avoived Coca as Coca beat DRG in MLG
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
September 29 2011 10:46 GMT
#57
David Kim contact him please
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 29 2011 10:49 GMT
#58
On September 29 2011 19:46 eYeball wrote:
David Kim contact him please

And not just him.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 29 2011 10:56 GMT
#59
Sangho & DRG fighting! Thanks for the interviews!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
September 30 2011 17:32 GMT
#60
LMFAO Sangho. "Welcome to TSL... btw get eliminated."
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
September 30 2011 17:55 GMT
#61
SONGHO SO BALLER, awesome interview. Made me a fan of him : )
Flash Fan!
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
September 30 2011 18:01 GMT
#62
TSL_Killer is so cool, and funny too!
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
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