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It is official guys. Beginning with season #4 each season will last for 2 months.
Also, season 3 is close to its end.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3229387002#1
+ Show Spoiler +Since introducing the ladder season lock and roll process we’ve continued to monitor the length of the seasons and our previous desire to see seasons last around 3-4 months. After gathering data for several seasons now we’ve come to the conclusion that shortening the seasons will better match how most people are playing the game, and support a more dynamic, rewarding, and vibrant ladder experience.
Beginning with season 4, we’re looking for each ladder season to last around 2 months.
We’ll be providing further updates regarding the roll to season 4 in the coming weeks.
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Just get rid of the bonus pool.
Oh well, I'm not certain that this change matters to me. I suppose more fluctuation in masters to gm.
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Interesting, I think 2 months is alright for a season's length, but are they going to continue delaying GM open for 2 weeks after each season start or was that only for season 3?
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I approve. Will add at least a little more incentive to ladder, I think.
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2 months seems a little too short. I personally think 3 months is the sweet spot for season length.
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On one hand I like this since maps will/can be rotated more often, aswell as any small changes that need to be made. On the other hand though there is nearly no opportunity to get alot of points, so you can really see a division between ladder players, max amount maybe 1500 in 2 months? Will see...
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whats the benefit of shorter seasons? i dont mind logner seasons personally
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Probably has something to do with a lot of people will play at the beginning of each season, but stop playing as the season goes on. Shortening the seasons will hopefully mean that there are more people playing at the end of each season.
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Two months are alright, three is better though IMO, not too long, not too short.
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Would be nice if mmr was to be reset for once...
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I'm guessing blizzard wants shorter duration for collecting win-rate data, probably so metagame doesnt go through 4+ changes each cycle.
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I personally would prefer longer seasons because I try to get ranked up a league a season and 2 I need all the time I can get :p
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they realised that most players only play ladder for the placement matches. more seasons a year = more placement matches.
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On September 27 2011 01:44 JiYan wrote:
whats the benefit of shorter seasons? i dont mind logner seasons personally
Shorter seasons always seem to result in more motivation. People are probably most motivated the first month of a season, then slowly lose interest as time goes on. Shorter seasons = more instances where people are interested in the season = more activity.
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That's good news. Most people like the idea of playing in "a new season" and after a couple of weeks they stop playing on the ladder.
Also i think, with how terribly GM works (promotions/demotions) this is going to be helpful.
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6 seasons a year sounds good.
Would help getting inactive players out of ladder too.
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I'm cool with this.
It solves the Bonus Pool controversies, and forces people to ladder more frequently if they want to prove they're top tier.
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I think two months is perfect. Would be more enjoyable for maps to change around more often.
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This is alright with me. However, I do agree with others that 3 months would be a perfect length. I'm excited to see more frequent map rotation though.
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Anyone else think that two months may be a bit too short? I mean I laddered heavily for the first two week of the new season and I know I will do it again a the start of the next season but I wanted to play the whole season through next season ( Keep a low bonus pool for the whole season) but with it being two months I might not improve enough to get into the next league and I aim for 1 league a season as someone posted above.
Just food for thought :D although I do like the idea of short seasons I have some doubts that I want to voice ^^
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Yeah they def need to fix this to 2 months and 2 weeks or just 3 months... because of the way GM league works people will only have a month and a half to attempt to get to GM not including the time period where the fucking ladder gets locked..
Cmon TL lets do what we do best and get blizzard to change their minds!!
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I think 2 months is too short. But I guess the map rotation every 2 months will be pretty fun. (Though it may get annoying for the more casual players that only play a couple of times a week)
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As long as they remove the completely useless ladder lock that last time lasted like 4 weeks? then I'm fine with this.
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i dont like... 3-4 months = perfect
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Perfect amount of time... Most active players play a lot of games during the week and those daily sessions really make a 3-4 month season seem long.
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"More season more map" - White-ra
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I am fine with this changed, wouldn't mind seeing it stay at 3-4 months though. I liked going up to 3K points.
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I completely forgot about the Map pool switches which will be brilliant. Look at it this way you have to wait a shorter amount of time for metalopolis to come back :D. I miss that map soooo much ^^
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Anything that reduces the number of inactives is good in my book.
Although I wonder how they're going to do GM. Locking it for 1/4 of a season seems kinda silly to me. But I'm not sure what they could do instead.
Also, I kinda doubt that we'll see the same number of new maps per season. It will probably be reduced to 1-2. Still, more frequent rotation means that really bad maps have more opportunities to exit if the community really hates them.
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two seasons is pretty short, if they keep the 2 week delay on GM that means therell only be a GM league for 75% of the time. also, ladder will become less useful at judging people's skills, since, just statistically speaking, the shorter or smaller a sample is, the more likely it is to be misleading.
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Yeh maybe they can leave GM open during ladder lockdown and only restart the league every two seasons maybe. Or they can change the whole mechanic and make it easier to drop from GM.
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I really like this. It hopefully means more maps, fewer inactive players, fewer lower level players matched vs higher levels, and a better ranking.
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Frequent map rotation, faster recognition of improving skill, lower bonus pools. I like this.
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So long as this doesn't lead to Blizzard introducing more crappy maps every 2 months, this is a good change. Otherwise.... no.
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2 months is fine, I like a good healthy rotation of maps too. I support this, thanks Blizzard 
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The bonus pool does its job ... it mweans that ladders arn't about No of games played so casuals can get up ladder.
if you play enough to exhasut bonus pool (like you should) it really doesnt matter. It just means that starting late dont harm you too much.
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map pool switching will make this fun ;D
or misserable T.T
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I agree that MMR reset would be better than just new seasons being shorter. I used to suck but now I don't, but that doesn't change I had a 15 game lose streak once 
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I think it's good to encourage inactive/semi-inactive folks to play again.
I started Season 3 strong -- worked my way from a demotion to plat, to get back to diamond and eventually hitting #1 in my division (had a few matches with Masters players, lost all but one LOL). Then I wasn't able to play the past two weeks due to a busy work and life schedule. After going 1win-5loses, I got pretty discouraged, especially with my last loss coming from a platinum terran seiging my my nat at taldarim.
While I pretty much spent this past weekend trying to get "back in shape", I imagine these kind of situations can really discourage some folks to just quit laddering. A new season will help encourage them to go back to SC2, where the lock at the end of a season can be their "practice".
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It's far too short, not liking where Blizzard is going with this War3 seasons durations were spot on, why don't they do the same thing?
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Shorter seasons also means that a player returning to the game near the end of a season doesn't have to play quite so many games to exhaust their bonus pool. Seems nice.
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Hate the idea of shorter seasons. Fewer games just means that terrible master players and decent master players are harder to distinguish.
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I just wish that they would stop locking the ladders for so long. t.t
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I'm surprised so many people are for this, personally I hate it especially for 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 teams.
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I'd gladly have Season 3 be 2 weeks if that meant we got rid of the shit maps. Maybe they're trying to root out the trash maps like Searing Crater until they got what they wanted. Although, this could fire back and they could remove something like Tal'Darim or any other favorites.
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I don't like it means I have to play more team games to pretty up my profile more often
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If this means map rotations will occur every two months then this is good news!
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Austria2995 Posts
/care
the only thing thats interesting for me is the new mappool
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This is an excellent change! It will make GM more relevant with shorter seasons. I also think seasons prove to be a good motivation for people improve and feel a sense of progress, and this is a good way of doing it, without hurting the way the ladder works. I think shorter seasons could make the ladder more competitive because of more oppotunities to claim a high rank in GM. Or maybe it just wont really change a thing and its just going to be as it always has been. :D
Excited for season 4 tho! Good news!
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SoCal8910 Posts
i mean personally i see why this is the case. honestly my motivation to ladder only really comes back when the seaosn is winding down so i can place top 8. it would definitely make me want to ladder more instead of grinding it out on the last week or two of the season since its just inherently shorter. the last week or 2 is a larger portion of the season.
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I think this is great. Allows for more map switches and keeps things fresh
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Great change. Too long seasons! I'd like to see them the same length as ICCUP.
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Good.
Now people actually have a chance to get into Grand Masters without having to wait 4 months.
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So I guess I'm one of a very few who feels like laddering LESS with frequent resets, since the results are just gonna get wiped away anyways.
Honestly, when I know a season is gonna end in X number of days, it really kills my motivation to even bother. Also, it forces me to actually play shitty team game placement matches, just so I can get my across the board masters ratings 
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I'm excited to get to change which terrible new maps I veto more regularly.
Also, more pretty badges on my career page.
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2months sounds to short, maybe 3? 4seasons per year :3
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Its just nice to know how long a ladder season is if you ask me. I hated trying to figure a new seasons though it usually corresponded with new patch.
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this would be good if they reset the MMR then you can switch races after each month and not be playing people that are 2-3 leagues above you
apart from that i have no other real thoughts on this atm, but 2 months doesnt seem like long tbh
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Hopefully shorter seasons will mean changes to the ladder maps with every season. We can only pray.
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The more frequently they update the map pool, the better.
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2 months is too short. And given the maps blizzard has come out with, I have my doubts about whether new maps in the map pool will be a good thing. Also why do some people want MMR reset? If you sucked for a bit and your MMR went down, it'll go back up just by winning your matches you feel you should win.
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I really thought 3 months was best especially considering the 2 week lag in setting up GM. That means GM is only up for 6 weeks, and you need 2 weeks of inactive bonus pool to get dropped? Seems like GM will be very static now.
Which I guess is a sort of good thing, certainly means ppl will be playing their pants off the 1st 2 weeks of each season. Idn, do whatever you want Blizzard, lol
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On September 27 2011 01:41 carloselcoco wrote:It is official guys. Beginning with season #4 each season will last for 2 months. Also, season 3 is close to its end.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3229387002#1
+ Show Spoiler +Since introducing the ladder season lock and roll process we’ve continued to monitor the length of the seasons and our previous desire to see seasons last around 3-4 months. After gathering data for several seasons now we’ve come to the conclusion that shortening the seasons will better match how most people are playing the game, and support a more dynamic, rewarding, and vibrant ladder experience.
Beginning with season 4, we’re looking for each ladder season to last around 2 months.
We’ll be providing further updates regarding the roll to season 4 in the coming weeks.
Defiantly a good thing i my opnion far to often do you get stuck in the lower league just due ot how the mmr works when looking to be ranked up rather than placed, in all i tihnk this is a good moode for the community as a whole. Though maybe at the same time an annoyance for master/Grandmaster players who want to keep there spot in gm.
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I don't get how this changes anything about placing and leagues. The first match of each season many call a "placement match" is no placement match. It has the same MMR and league effect as any other match during the season. It's purpose is just to check for inactives, isn't it?
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On September 27 2011 02:49 bluehawky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 01:41 carloselcoco wrote:It is official guys. Beginning with season #4 each season will last for 2 months. Also, season 3 is close to its end.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3229387002#1
+ Show Spoiler +Since introducing the ladder season lock and roll process we’ve continued to monitor the length of the seasons and our previous desire to see seasons last around 3-4 months. After gathering data for several seasons now we’ve come to the conclusion that shortening the seasons will better match how most people are playing the game, and support a more dynamic, rewarding, and vibrant ladder experience.
Beginning with season 4, we’re looking for each ladder season to last around 2 months.
We’ll be providing further updates regarding the roll to season 4 in the coming weeks. Defiantly a good thing i my opnion far to often do you get stuck in the lower league just due ot how the mmr works when looking to be ranked up rather than placed, in all i tihnk this is a good moode for the community as a whole. Though maybe at the same time an annoyance for master/Grandmaster players who want to keep there spot in gm.
Reset won't change your MMR so it doesn't have anything to do with being promoted.
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Bulgaria1144 Posts
If they change maps every season it will be good, if not I don't care.
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I like it, its good when they change the maps more often. 2 months seems like a good time for a ladder season.
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Do you do new placement matches every season?
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On September 27 2011 02:31 RudePlague wrote:
I'm excited to get to change which terrible new maps I veto more regularly.
Also, more pretty badges on my career page.
I laugh at people like you who think every map blizzard makes is terrible.
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While it doesn't actually mean anything, it gives people the excitement of the closing and beginning of a new season which is fine by me. At least we know about how long each season will be be.
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if they changed maps each season, this would be terrible 2 months isn't nearly enough time to even get accustomed to new maps lol
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On September 27 2011 02:54 Tyrone wrote:
Do you do new placement matches every season?
No, see the 3rd and 4th post above yours.
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Two months sounds good, I like it!
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On September 27 2011 02:54 Tyrone wrote:
Do you do new placement matches every season?
Just 1. Your MMR carries over through the seasons. The one placement game is more of a 'are you still playing' game than a placement game. (Although it does count towards your MMR so if you are a loss away from a demotion or a win away from promotion it can demote or promote you.)
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Nice. Two months is perfect for the map pool.
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That means newer maps, hopefully some of those we got now can be removed. 
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If they continue to change up the map pool each season, then I will be the happiest sc2 player in the world!
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As long as they update the map pools im cool with it. Wish I could play more than 50 1v1 games per season as of late
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2 months is perfect imo. great idea by blizz!!
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I'm completely OK with it. It makes more map rotation, removes inactive players, and makes sure everyone is where they belong league wise
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Too short imo what do i really ladder for when my points constantly get set back to 0? And then all the high master ppl for example get +40 or sth when they win, just unfair. I really want to see where i stand :/
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I need to get back into masters ASAP T_T I don't want that rank 1 diamond to sting me in the face for the whole next season
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Great change !
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Ugh I just want to be rid of the stupid bonus pool in Masters+. Like over half the division always has people with tons of unused bonus points which makes the division competition seem like a farce. Basically just being active puts you in the top 25 of the division (probably higher below masters) and then you have to manually go through and check everyone's bonus pool to see where you really stand.
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What's the point of seasons at all aside from fixing the problem of point inflation?
If there were some Bnet tournaments associated with the seasons, then sure.
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On September 27 2011 03:05 Sbrubbles wrote:
What's the point of seasons at all aside from fixing the problem of point inflation?
If there were some Bnet tournaments associated with the seasons, then sure.
Grandmaster promotions
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I have really looked into or thought about the cons of this, but the pros seem good. Although just as a pyschological thing 3 months would of been really nice.
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On September 27 2011 03:12 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 03:05 Sbrubbles wrote:
What's the point of seasons at all aside from fixing the problem of point inflation?
If there were some Bnet tournaments associated with the seasons, then sure. Grandmaster promotions
I want to see GMs promoted and demoted daily. Just based on MMR.
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On September 27 2011 03:22 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 03:12 EmilA wrote:On September 27 2011 03:05 Sbrubbles wrote:
What's the point of seasons at all aside from fixing the problem of point inflation?
If there were some Bnet tournaments associated with the seasons, then sure. Grandmaster promotions I want to see GMs promoted and demoted daily. Just based on MMR.
I think that would be very messy, at least with the current system where you cannot be demoted unless you play a game.
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strangely enough, i only ladder crazily at the beginning of a season, and near the end, to try to reach the rank i want displayed for next season. Sucks for those who want to bask in their glory for longer times, but it definitely seems to imply (for me at least) that I'll be playing more often lol.
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On September 27 2011 03:12 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 03:05 Sbrubbles wrote:
What's the point of seasons at all aside from fixing the problem of point inflation?
If there were some Bnet tournaments associated with the seasons, then sure. Grandmaster promotions
Hmm, so you can't be demoted from GM if you're playing regularly?
Edit: You can get demoted from GM (unlike from other leagues) for not playing regularly as far as I know.
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United States7166 Posts
I agree with this change, although I do wish they'd also show losses for lower leagues again. Especially since every 2 months now it basically resets your win/loss stats
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On September 27 2011 03:31 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 03:12 EmilA wrote:On September 27 2011 03:05 Sbrubbles wrote:
What's the point of seasons at all aside from fixing the problem of point inflation?
If there were some Bnet tournaments associated with the seasons, then sure. Grandmaster promotions Hmm, so you can't be demoted from GM if you're playing regularly?
Currently you can only be demoted if your bonus pool exceeds a certain limit (I think it's the equivalent of 2 weeks inactivity) or when the season ends.
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Canada13392 Posts
well as long as i can make it into masters soon ill be fine with it
On September 27 2011 03:32 Zelniq wrote:
I agree with this change, although I do wish they'd also show losses for lower leagues again. Especially since every 2 months now it basically resets your win/loss stats
agreed i wouldnt be trying to get to masters so damn hard if i could see this and i could possibly get more schoolwork done lol
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Good change I think. But I hope they rotate maps accordingly, and bring back Metalopolis!
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On September 27 2011 03:03 RivalryRedux wrote:
Ugh I just want to be rid of the stupid bonus pool in Masters+. Like over half the division always has people with tons of unused bonus points which makes the division competition seem like a farce. Basically just being active puts you in the top 25 of the division (probably higher below masters) and then you have to manually go through and check everyone's bonus pool to see where you really stand.
Uhhh shorter seasons will make all divisions more competitive, not less.
Shorter seasons = less bonus pool
less bonus pool = players more equally measured against each other
The longer that the season goes on, the more that bonus pools screws up actual ranking. So shortening the season is good.
This is a step towards removing the bonus pool entirely. I think it's tough to argue against that.
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On September 27 2011 01:44 solidbebe wrote:
On one hand I like this since maps will/can be rotated more often, aswell as any small changes that need to be made. On the other hand though there is nearly no opportunity to get alot of points, so you can really see a division between ladder players, max amount maybe 1500 in 2 months? Will see...
this for sure ladder map pool is huge for me ... honestly I wish it was tweaked/changed at least once a month.... but 2 is definitely better than 3
lets just hope for some GSL maps
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On September 27 2011 01:44 JiYan wrote:
whats the benefit of shorter seasons? i dont mind logner seasons personally
Less stagnation(sp?) in the rankings. I think it helps with the ¨ladder anxiety¨ issue
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Ehh, I prefer longer seasons but whatever
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3 months seems better imo
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I'm fine with 2-3 months if that means they add new ladder maps each season which they said they would do. So hopefully xelnaga can finally get the boot off ladder and we get some better maps.
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This makes sense with how the new Career page on our profiles is laid out. 2 months is fine, since this helps with bonus pool too.
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On September 27 2011 03:47 RoboBob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 03:03 RivalryRedux wrote:
Ugh I just want to be rid of the stupid bonus pool in Masters+. Like over half the division always has people with tons of unused bonus points which makes the division competition seem like a farce. Basically just being active puts you in the top 25 of the division (probably higher below masters) and then you have to manually go through and check everyone's bonus pool to see where you really stand. Uhhh shorter seasons will make all divisions more competitive, not less. Shorter seasons = less bonus pool less bonus pool = players more equally measured against each other The longer that the season goes on, the more that bonus pools screws up actual ranking. So shortening the season is good. This is a step towards removing the bonus pool entirely. I think it's tough to argue against that.
He's not arguing against shorter seasons. There's actually no mention to season length in his post at all. He's just saying the whole bonus pool thing is stupid.
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Two months sounds good to me, it's like an eternity in the video game realm.
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I want fresh vibrant new blood in the map pools if they're going to give more seasons, maybe even start a map rotation with older maps removed such as Metalopolis.
And better maps --;
maybe take some off the new NASL open map pool.
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Completely agree with this.
2 months is ideal.
WP Blizzard.
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On September 27 2011 04:10 Gamegene wrote:
I want fresh vibrant new blood in the map pools if they're going to give more seasons, maybe even start a map rotation with older maps removed such as Metalopolis.
And better maps --;
maybe take some off the new NASL open map pool.
I like this idea. With shorter seasons, I'd love to see rotation of maps. No reason why some good maps can't crop up once in a while again. Return of metal? With a short season, it'd be nice to even see some crazy stupid maps -> Island map? It's only around for 2 months and if people really don't want to play on it, they can veto it. It would be nice to see 1 randomly weird map each season.
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I would LOVE to see the new ladder maps
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2 is fine. Great for continuously weeding out the inactives and giving us a chance at grandmaster league :D
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Shorter seasons are fine.
How about some 2v2 maps that aren't smaller than most of the 1v1 maps? That would be great to just get more map rotation in general. That way too if they mess up and have some bad maps it wouldn't be the end of the world since you'd just have to deal with them for a short period of time before getting something new.
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The season legnth doesn't really bother me but it would be nice to see how close you were to a promotion or if they could at least show us our MMR like it is in WoW
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On September 27 2011 01:44 birdkicker wrote:
Would be nice if mmr was to be reset for once...
buy a new account :O
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On September 27 2011 04:10 Gamegene wrote:
I want fresh vibrant new blood in the map pools if they're going to give more seasons, maybe even start a map rotation with older maps removed such as Metalopolis.
And better maps --;
maybe take some off the new NASL open map pool.
Well IIRC David Kim said that they will probably remove close spawn positions. So thats a good step.
I wish teey did like Halo and had like.. a GSL MLG etc.. playlist
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i'd prefer 4 seasons a year .In a two months timeframe some of us won't have enough time to ladder and go up the ranks...
my 2 cents.
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I like this change. It'll keep things fresh. Also, I like to play on new maps and shorter seasons = more new maps (hopefully).
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United States4991 Posts
I like the change. Right now if you want to start laddering, but it's several months into the season, the bonus pool is so large that you have to play a truly ridiculous amount of games to rank up.
Basically, I dislike the whole bonus pool concept, so this works well because it somewhat downplays the bonus pool.
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Two seems quick--especially considering the two-week lock at the end of the season as some others have mentioned. Why not 2.5 months? That would allow for the 2 week scramble to GM at the beginning and the 2 week lock at the end.
I get their reasoning. I can't imagine this making or breaking my experience of the game.
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yeh I like the change,deffiantly a step in the right direction, means u can try for 2 months solid on laddering 1v1 and know how long its going togo on for!!!
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On September 27 2011 03:47 RoboBob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 03:03 RivalryRedux wrote:
Ugh I just want to be rid of the stupid bonus pool in Masters+. Like over half the division always has people with tons of unused bonus points which makes the division competition seem like a farce. Basically just being active puts you in the top 25 of the division (probably higher below masters) and then you have to manually go through and check everyone's bonus pool to see where you really stand. Uhhh shorter seasons will make all divisions more competitive, not less. Shorter seasons = less bonus pool less bonus pool = players more equally measured against each other The longer that the season goes on, the more that bonus pools screws up actual ranking. So shortening the season is good. This is a step towards removing the bonus pool entirely. I think it's tough to argue against that.
Whether you have bonus points or not, you are still paired up against people with a similar MMR. So this change will not ensure that "players [are] more equally measured against each other."
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300 Points right now... with 790 bonus... TIME TO DRAIN IT FAAAAAAAAAAAST FUCK!!!! 7-3 will soon be 50-63...lol
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I'm unsure about the whole map situation tho.
As long as they put in some GSL or maps from former CCup mapteam I wouldn't mind at all to learn them, but if they are going to remove ~3 maps every other month and add 3 new bad maps made by Blizzard themself that I have to learn I will get pissed probably lol.
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This will help the GM league be more indicative of the top 200 players, rather than the top 200 MMR during the week of reset.
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I like where they're going. I think 2 months is perfectly fine.
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If the only reason for shortening the season is people mostly play during the first 8 weeks, this could have a lot of unintended consequences. What if people play for the first 8 weeks and then take a break for a while? You are taking away their time from other games. Starcraft is great and all, but people want to play other stuff.
What is someone can't play the first ~2 weeks of a season, they might think "well I'll just wait to jump in on the next one in a month" and not play at all. Or if they get off to a poor start they could give up and wait for the reset.
How about the fact that there are going to be 6 seasons per year. The honor of being ranked highly in a season is reduced dramatically. "Hey, I was rank 1 in Master in June-July of 2013" seems a lot less of an accomplishment than "I was rank 1 Master fall 2013".
I am just tossing some ideas out there why it is not a good idea to turn seasons into a assembly line. In my opinion, there will be a lot of negative consequences which will drive away people more then encouraging them to play.
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I must admit i have split feelings about this, on the one hand the longish seasons have problems with the bonus pool and the maps become stale to a certain extent, on the other hand 2 months is very short, if they stick to changing the maps every season there is not much time there to adapt to the new maps and think of fun builds before they change it.
Frankly the idea "i was XY in Season XY" is something I have never cared about, so from that point of view i really don't care. I agree with the change mostly because i like playing different maps, so more map changes is better for me than less, the danger in this area though is that the new maps might be sub-par (as we've had happen in the past).
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three was perfect dont see a reason to change it
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Weed out the people who quit in a more efficient fashion. Less ladder data for Blizzard to store. Half of my division has like 4-5 games played since the start of the season. You basically can't get out of top 25 in it because everyone else has so few points, and the top 8 are people who play more than on weekends only.
Also, they should shrink the map ladder pool but change the entire thing each time, but still include vetos and maybe experiment with community or GSL maps. I would love to have Daybreak on ladder. Though I'm sure it would have to be covered in destructible rocks before it could be used in ladder.
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although my reactionary gut says it's too short, even a few weeks ago i caught myself thinking 'i wonder when this season will end?'
this is a good thing, far better than spending months in a stacked league, etc.
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On September 27 2011 05:49 Ben... wrote:
I would love to have Daybreak on ladder.
i fully agree with what Ben.... says. Probably the best map ever based on the quality of the games i see on it.
edit: i know it's a pro/macro map, people can TD it if they want quicker games.
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So is the season currently locked? The way theyre wording it probably means its not locked just yet.
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On September 27 2011 05:40 CoR wrote:
three was perfect dont see a reason to change it
Same here, I don't see any problem with the current situation for seasons.
Unless they start adding GSL maps
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I have to say that I've been wondering when this season is going to be over. The change seems to be good but like all things involving Blizzard I guess only time will tell. The season going on right now has to be my most active one and maybe with the shorter seasons I'll be inclined to play more. I feel like when they added the "Career" tab to the profiles tab that Blizzard had been planning this for some time.
As some have said that accomplishments won't be as recognized now with the shorter seasons since it will all disappear, but with the careers tab everything you need to know about how much you've progressed over the past few seasons will be there.
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If they just were to remove the bonus pool, now that would be awesome.
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I like this because bonus pool is just stupid in general,and now there will be less of it so
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you mean the the 8 month season 1 wasn't long? lol.
2 months sounds ok but seriously who cares about ladder? seriously.... i'm number 1 masters in 2s and 3s and like half of my league just did placements and tahts it.
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Given how ladder rank is purposely designed to be a very crude representation of skill/MMR, especially below masters, any changes to ladder strike me as silly.
After gathering data for several seasons now we’ve come to the conclusion that shortening the seasons will better match how most people are playing the game, and support a more dynamic, rewarding, and vibrant ladder experience.
Assuming they're seeing that people tend to play the most when ladder seasons are fresh, I'm not sure how shortening the seasons will make them any more "dynamic" and "rewarding".
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I'm wondering if the other reason they are doing this (the first being that they think the first 8 weeks of a season are more active) is that they will be able to roll out balance patches (if there are some to roll out) at the beginning of a season only so that the numbers for balance are nicely divided rather than affecting balance data halfway through a season.
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GSL maps please! Really not looking forwards to playing on crappy/ugly maps.
Question: how does placement work from season to season? Do you have to play some more placement matches or what?
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On September 27 2011 06:09 willoc wrote:
I'm wondering if the other reason they are doing this (the first being that they think the first 8 weeks of a season are more active) is that they will be able to roll out balance patches (if there are some to roll out) at the beginning of a season only so that the numbers for balance are nicely divided rather than affecting balance data halfway through a season.
this would be smart.
it would also mean they might sort out ghosts soon (oh yes, i went there )
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There is a very simple reason for this.
Dustin Browder still had so many places to put rocks on, but there weren't enough maps anymore.
With a 2month season instead of 4month he can now fulfill his fantasy of putting twice as much rocks.
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i don't like this, I'd much rather have each season be three months at a time, two months just makes the ladders so ridiculously volatile
I also don't want the map pools changing every two months, just when I'm starting to get my builds down and figuring out what works on which map and what doesn't
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I'm not really sure how I feel about it. It's not like it really matters though. I feel the placement matches don't really do much for your actual "placement".
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On September 27 2011 05:57 akaname wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 05:49 Ben... wrote:
I would love to have Daybreak on ladder. i fully agree with what Ben.... says. Probably the best map ever based on the quality of the games i see on it. edit: i know it's a pro/macro map, people can TD it if they want quicker games.
the problem isn't so much that it is a macro map, the problem is that it is VERY zerg favored on the diamond and below level. Blizzard isn't completly stupid you know?
The GSL maps are made and balanced for the pro level, Tal'Darim the only GSL map in the ladder is VERY heavily zerg favored according to Blizzards statistics simply because it is so big and runbys are so easy on it.
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Can someone point out to me where it says season 3 is close to its end? i cant find it
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really dumb question ><
so when exactly is season 3 ending?
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On September 27 2011 01:48 Onox wrote:
I think two months is perfect. Would be more enjoyable for maps to change around more often.
This but also hope that they start including more korean made or iccup made maps into the pool.
They try to make the game noob friendly but honestly big maps favor noobs too so they dont get rolled in the first 4 minutes of a game.
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I don't mind how long seasons are as long as the map pool is decent.
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On September 27 2011 01:44 birdkicker wrote:
Would be nice if mmr was to be reset for once...
I don't see any point of ever resetting MMR other than the expansion releases. The ladder promotion system works quite well, and imo if you deserve to be in a league and play a few games a day for at most one week, you'll be in that league no matter what your MMR was at the start
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bleh, i only really ladder once i get a large bonus pool. no pool = i don't ladder. if you think about it, assuming 50% win rate and no bonus pool, everyone would be ranked the same. right now i have 300 in 1v1 bonus pool, which equals roughly 25 games. it's not so hard to grind that in the last couple weeks of the season.
inactives in ladder = who cares; it doesn't affect anything. if you play, you move up the ladder past them.
mmr reset is a stupid idea; especially for the higher leagues. can you imagine having to grind 50+ games just to get back into masters every two months?
large maps do not favor newbs at all; small maps are much easier to manage. reason being large maps are typically macro oriented, and newbs generally suck at macro. i speak from experience LOL!
as for new maps in the rotation, who says there will be? if there are, what makes you think they'll be any good based on past results? i'll keep my fingers crossed personally...the team maps are at least decent i think. blizzard can always change season length if two months is too short so i'm not sweating it.
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WTF? 2 months for a ladder season? that's ridiculous, why shorten them?
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New season should come with new maps. Need to get rid of some ridiculous rush map
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On September 27 2011 07:19 tuho12345 wrote:New season should come with new maps. Need to get rid of some ridiculous rush map
The current map pool isn't too bad. I think I have only used one veto on that searing crater or whatever map (which is completely awful). If they would just get rid of close positions in some maps it would make it even better. But I agree. I like new maps and hope to get some awesome ones added to the pool.
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On September 27 2011 07:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
WTF? 2 months for a ladder season? that's ridiculous, why shorten them?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3229387002#4
Daxxarri, Community Manager, wrote:
Players have fairly consistently tended to exhibit more activity during the first eight weeks of a season. It's not unreasonable to conclude from that pattern that a shorter season will also lead to a more dynamic season, since a greater number of players are likely to be active.
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Every quarter makes perfect sense to me (winter/fall/spring/summer). 3 month is the ideal duration IMO. 2 months is too short.
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On September 27 2011 07:28 whoopadeedoo wrote:
Every quarter makes perfect sense to me (winter/fall/spring/summer). 3 month is the ideal duration IMO. 2 months is too short.
agree, it's not easy to get to top of the ladder then reset lol
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Yeah well... i dont really like this change. Too much rotation IMO. How am i supossed to learn the map inside and out in just 2 months?
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great, and i just got demoted from platinum.
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On September 27 2011 07:12 CycoDude wrote:
bleh, i only really ladder once i get a large bonus pool. no pool = i don't ladder. if you think about it, assuming 50% win rate and no bonus pool, everyone would be ranked the same. right now i have 300 in 1v1 bonus pool, which equals roughly 25 games. it's not so hard to grind that in the last couple weeks of the season.
inactives in ladder = who cares; it doesn't affect anything. if you play, you move up the ladder past them.
mmr reset is a stupid idea; especially for the higher leagues. can you imagine having to grind 50+ games just to get back into masters every two months?
large maps do not favor newbs at all; small maps are much easier to manage. reason being large maps are typically macro oriented, and newbs generally suck at macro. i speak from experience LOL!
as for new maps in the rotation, who says there will be? if there are, what makes you think they'll be any good based on past results? i'll keep my fingers crossed personally...the team maps are at least decent i think. blizzard can always change season length if two months is too short so i'm not sweating it.
50 games?! It takes like 20 games to get a new account into master league assuming you're not losing a bunch.
while it's true that a large map is typically going to be better for a good player when playing a weaker player, the way the ladder works relatively quickly the newbs should be playing the newbs, in which case they both suck at macro
Why is it that you only ladder if you have bonus pool? Considering everyone receives the same bonus pool, it doesn't really have any effect on your rating...
Also, if everyone had 50% winrate with no bonus pool, they wouldn't end up equivalently ranked because of MMR meaning some people are favored vs others :O.
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On September 27 2011 07:43 Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 07:12 CycoDude wrote:
bleh, i only really ladder once i get a large bonus pool. no pool = i don't ladder. if you think about it, assuming 50% win rate and no bonus pool, everyone would be ranked the same. right now i have 300 in 1v1 bonus pool, which equals roughly 25 games. it's not so hard to grind that in the last couple weeks of the season.
inactives in ladder = who cares; it doesn't affect anything. if you play, you move up the ladder past them.
mmr reset is a stupid idea; especially for the higher leagues. can you imagine having to grind 50+ games just to get back into masters every two months?
large maps do not favor newbs at all; small maps are much easier to manage. reason being large maps are typically macro oriented, and newbs generally suck at macro. i speak from experience LOL!
as for new maps in the rotation, who says there will be? if there are, what makes you think they'll be any good based on past results? i'll keep my fingers crossed personally...the team maps are at least decent i think. blizzard can always change season length if two months is too short so i'm not sweating it. 50 games?! It takes like 20 games to get a new account into master league assuming you're not losing a bunch. while it's true that a large map is typically going to be better for a good player when playing a weaker player, the way the ladder works relatively quickly the newbs should be playing the newbs, in which case they both suck at macro Why is it that you only ladder if you have bonus pool? Considering everyone receives the same bonus pool, it doesn't really have any effect on your rating...
Also, if everyone had 50% winrate with no bonus pool, they wouldn't end up equivalently ranked because of MMR meaning some people are favored vs others :O.
holy color lol
also i feel that 3months is the best length, 2 isnt nearly enough
edit: also if you're in masters you dont have to work your way back every season -_-
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On September 27 2011 07:32 EternalSC wrote:
Yeah well... i dont really like this change. Too much rotation IMO. How am i supossed to learn the map inside and out in just 2 months?
Think of it this way tho.
With a 2 month season they can drop bad maps quicker.
If they made new maps which are good they won't get replaced next season so we will be able to play them longer.
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On September 27 2011 07:27 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 07:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
WTF? 2 months for a ladder season? that's ridiculous, why shorten them? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3229387002#4Show nested quote +Daxxarri, Community Manager, wrote:
Players have fairly consistently tended to exhibit more activity during the first eight weeks of a season. It's not unreasonable to conclude from that pattern that a shorter season will also lead to a more dynamic season, since a greater number of players are likely to be active.
It doesn't make sense. Why do they only play for the first 8 weeks? Is it because it's a new season or because of something else?
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On September 27 2011 06:18 Jakkerr wrote:
There is a very simple reason for this.
Dustin Browder still had so many places to put rocks on, but there weren't enough maps anymore.
With a 2month season instead of 4month he can now fulfill his fantasy of putting twice as much rocks.
Ahaha that's funny.
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Incoming ladder daybreak! With rocks at the natural and third!
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Seems like a good change to me, hopefully it will reduce inactivity.
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On September 27 2011 07:46 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 07:43 Insane wrote:On September 27 2011 07:12 CycoDude wrote:
bleh, i only really ladder once i get a large bonus pool. no pool = i don't ladder. if you think about it, assuming 50% win rate and no bonus pool, everyone would be ranked the same. right now i have 300 in 1v1 bonus pool, which equals roughly 25 games. it's not so hard to grind that in the last couple weeks of the season.
inactives in ladder = who cares; it doesn't affect anything. if you play, you move up the ladder past them.
mmr reset is a stupid idea; especially for the higher leagues. can you imagine having to grind 50+ games just to get back into masters every two months?
large maps do not favor newbs at all; small maps are much easier to manage. reason being large maps are typically macro oriented, and newbs generally suck at macro. i speak from experience LOL!
as for new maps in the rotation, who says there will be? if there are, what makes you think they'll be any good based on past results? i'll keep my fingers crossed personally...the team maps are at least decent i think. blizzard can always change season length if two months is too short so i'm not sweating it. 50 games?! It takes like 20 games to get a new account into master league assuming you're not losing a bunch. while it's true that a large map is typically going to be better for a good player when playing a weaker player, the way the ladder works relatively quickly the newbs should be playing the newbs, in which case they both suck at macro Why is it that you only ladder if you have bonus pool? Considering everyone receives the same bonus pool, it doesn't really have any effect on your rating...
Also, if everyone had 50% winrate with no bonus pool, they wouldn't end up equivalently ranked because of MMR meaning some people are favored vs others :O. holy color lolalso i feel that 3months is the best length, 2 isnt nearly enough edit: also if you're in masters you dont have to work your way back every season -_-
It's a new posting style I'm pioneering to make it easier to identify which section you're responding to where!
The whole point he was making with regards to it taking 50 games was if you in fact did reset MMR, in which case you would have to re-earn it each season as opposed to playing a single game and placing into it.
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so stupid... hate ladder more and more...
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On September 27 2011 01:43 Scigrex wrote:
2 months seems a little too short. I personally think 3 months is the sweet spot for season length. This.
The current 4 month season feel a little stretched specially for such a driven and active community. 3 months should be fine to really make it a "season" yet still be on time with new map pools etc.
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I find that change really cool and this have nothing to do with placement , leagues and stuff. For me the ladder placement doesn't matter at all.
The reason why I thing that shorter seasons are better is that they can change the map pool more frequently. Some maps are imbalanced(shatered temple), some are just bad(searing crater) and must be removed ASAP.
Will Blizzard do it is completely different discussion :D
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On September 27 2011 01:44 birdkicker wrote:
Would be nice if mmr was to be reset for once...
Why would this be nice?
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On September 27 2011 07:28 whoopadeedoo wrote:
Every quarter makes perfect sense to me (winter/fall/spring/summer). 3 month is the ideal duration IMO. 2 months is too short.
I agree. 3 months also makes sense with the word "Season" (sports and sitcoms aside). 2 months seems a bit a short for me.
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4 Seasons in a year is perfect IMO. Allows for plenty of time to get to the top of your division/get promoted and allows maps to be used but not OVERused.
With the ladder locking for two weeks (?) at the end of every season, this leaves only 6 weeks to compete within your division and get promoted/demoted. Too small of a window for a dynamic game such as SC2
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I hope this means they take out terrible maps more often
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don't care about ladder seasons, just wish for a better map pool even a master+ only map pool using popular tournament maps would be great since blizzard's excuse for bad maps right now has been that casual players like them
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Fantastic, I'll finally get back into GM.
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On September 27 2011 08:18 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 01:44 birdkicker wrote:
Would be nice if mmr was to be reset for once... Why would this be nice?
He wants to switch races. Or have a fresh, fresh start
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YAY. I will be back to GM.
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I think they are doing this to make sure the patch is actually balanced because I don't think PTR was all that helpful. The skill level in PTR was definitely lower than retail so it's possible they want to shorten the seasons, starting with season 4 with 1.4, to gauge a better level of balance. A lot of their changes were very small and I think they want to see how people's records might have changed from season 3 (1.3) to season 4 (1.4).
This also gives blizz an opportunity to look at balance from the maps they use in ladder. It might be possible zerg is OP in every way but due to the maps they are favoring terran (not saying this is true). It could also be that protoss was never broken but the maps made it easier to deny scouting and thus the 1/1/1 was easier to pull off (also not saying this is true).
Whatever blizz reasoning behind shortening the seasons I'm sure it's a very good one and my guess it has to do with patches and maps and how they effect balance.
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Eh, I don't really like this change - 6 seasons a year is too many (feels like GSL lol >.>), I personally thought a new season every quarter was just right. Getting placed at the top of your division somehow doesn't seem as rewarding with such short seasons, could be just me though.
They should just weed out the inactive players through a slow gradual MMR decay for extended periods of inactivity, its stupid that every season you have like a third of the master league players with just nothing but the 1 placement game played. Not to mention a MMR decay is good for people who have taken a long break from the game, you don't really want to play the same people that you played when you were at your peak skill levels anyways.
Also, why do I have this feeling that those people who are active for just the 'first 8 weeks' will probably then be active only for the first 4~6 weeks in two month seasons? I hope I'm wrong though =/
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two months is perfect, now if they put in terrible maps we only have to play them for 2 months
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I like that their will be a set time and you know for certain when a new season is incoming. Also, I like the shorter time because its kind of going to be, "how high can I get before the next season, can I beat my ranking finish from last season." Its more like a race to see who can make the most of limited time and where you finish a season can be something you can set goals for. Also, new maps every season will keep things fresh and get bad maps out quickly.
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GSL MAPS PLS BLIZZ
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I'm okay with this if it means they get rid of some of the awful maps in the ladder pool. And add Daybreak of course.
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Seems too short to me. Three months is the bare minimum in my opinion. Otherwise ladder rankings just lose a lot of their meaning.
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We now need map of the week. Iccup had it right. Just a rotation of new maps every week would be fantastic. Laddering on these same maps end after end is just brutal and gets very tedious.
Shortening the seasons is good. Still just waiting on multiple replays...
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Hey, this means I don't have to play Abyssal Caverns or Nerazim Crypt much longer!
Well, hopefully. I don't think Blizzard knows a good idea when they see one...
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I like this idea. More maps and at least you can consider it a clean start even though the MMR remains the same. Maybe I'll go Protoss after this season then XD
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I think that this warrants a sort of revitalization for the new information posted on Oct 5th.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3665635/Season_3_Lock_Incoming-10_5_2011#blog
Season 3 is coming to an end soon, and Season 4 is on the horizon. At the end of each ladder season, leagues are “locked,” which means players can no longer be promoted or demoted out of their current league or division, and bonus pools will stop growing. That’s no reason to quit playing: even after leagues are locked, players will still be able to play out their remaining bonus pool and compete for standing within their divisions until the season ends two weeks later. The matchmaking skill ratings which determine league promotion and demotion will also continue to update during the lock, so games played during the lock still count toward Season 4 league placement.
The Season 3 lock will go into effect the week of October 10. Season 3 will officially end and Season 4 will begin during the week of October 24. Season milestone rewards will be locked in at this time and bonus pools will reset. Hidden skill ratings used for matchmaking and league placement will carry over from the previous season, so players who have completed placement matches in a previous season will only need to play one new placement match after Season 4 starts.
Beginning with Season 4, two changes are coming to future ladder seasons:
Each season will now last for approximately two months.
Grandmaster league placement time will be reduced to one week (from two weeks) to account for the reduced season length.
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So is the ladder locked yet, or do I still have my final chance to get promoted today?
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