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Bonkerz
United States831 Posts
On September 26 2011 03:49 Torte de Lini wrote: Even your other example about spades is kind of weak and doesn't really showcase the point you tried to make. The point i'm making is that there isn't a consistent set of rules to stop stuff like this saying "O their team will handle it" Won'd cut it forever, there needs to be public repercussions taken. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
The way I see this is really simple: we are all HUMAN. If you want to act perfect and not cause a public disturbance by expressing emotions that are uncontrollable, then great. However, the truth is, we are not perfect, and there will be outbursts and spurts of anger. It's totally normal and I don't see any problem with it. Drama sucks, but the occasional drama isn't actually that bad, because it gives people a reason to "sober up", if you will. | ||
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Mashmed
Sweden198 Posts
On September 26 2011 03:51 Bonkerz wrote: The point i'm making is that there isn't a consistent set of rules to stop stuff like this saying "O their team will handle it" Won'd cut it forever, there needs to be public repercussions taken. How about we don't worry about this shit until there actually is an instance that can actually execute what you are suggesting? Suggesting anything like that now is pointless and fruitless. This thread will not lead to anything except alot of nobodies arguing with eachother. What was said was also not severe enough to warrant a thread. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 26 2011 03:51 Bonkerz wrote: The point i'm making is that there isn't a consistent set of rules to stop stuff like this saying "O their team will handle it" Won'd cut it forever, there needs to be public repercussions taken. Except there is, it's called common courtesy and the basics that all tournament organizations put in place. I said this before, you just ignore it. Threatening of life and racial slurs are common rules even outside of StarCraft II. The public repercussion plays itself out as word gets out. | ||
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chrusher97
Canada811 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TigerKarl
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 26 2011 04:04 chrusher97 wrote: jedigamer is garbage and so is hwangsin. All he does is 4gate robo every game or some variation of that And you are...? | ||
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
Hwangsin is known for being cheesy, and probably has more than a few enemies notched on his belt. Spades' skill is subpar, at the moment couldn't win a major tourney even if his life depended on it, and can't refrain from using racial slurs because his "temper tantrum" (GOOBYGOOGOO) got the best of him. They are both immature people and immature pro-gamers. So what? Why shouldn't either of them be allowed to tarnish his own reputation if he wants to? I can't really even blame either of em for reacting the ways they did, but just goes to show the both of them don't have the gall to take wins or losses like professionals, and that SC2 and Esports as a whole has a long way to go. | ||
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
A dude who gets immortal allined every game by Hwangsin obv, which to be fair, seems to be the only thing Hwangsin knows in PvT excluding 4 gate. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 26 2011 04:21 eourcs wrote: A dude who gets immortal allined every game by Hwangsin obv, which to be fair, seems to be the only thing Hwangsin knows in PvT excluding 4 gate. You can't stop it or what? If you know what he's doing I mean :x | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 26 2011 03:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not true Professional respect comes from work, not from personality. For some professions, image is part of the job. But public image isn't ever a true reflection of personality. And every profession where public image matters, there's a constant flow of terrible mistakes: politician, actor, musician, athlete. And yet they continue to have success because anyone can recover from almost anything. Even violent crime, like Michael Vick and Chris Brown. Drug abuse, racism, sexism, homophobia, betrayal of loved ones, etc, are all regularly overcome. So while you can imagine an esports utopia where all players are civil and respectful at all times, it'll never be a reality. For sponsors and investors, it's a hazard of the business that they must do their best to avoid by picking their partners carefully. It's not the case that we can root it all out and grow faster. We're humans and this stuff just happens. Those people continue to have some semblance of success because people cling and stick their heads into the sand believing their star/idol is a saint. Like a woman to an abusive boyfriend. Maybe they don't go dirt poor the next day, but to say it doesn't hurt them and everyone will just forget tomorrow what they did is wrong. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
On September 25 2011 18:03 Spades wrote: How can you interpret the thoughts behind a single line of text? Tell me what i can do for you to make you happy? I've apologized publicly, I've apologized to HwangSin on a skype call, everything is fine in the world, but you apparently think I'm the modern day Starcraft 2 Hitler. I apologize to anyone who was offended, I said this in a chat channel with about 30 people in it. I didn't say this on stream, i didnt post this all over the internet, my intentions were never to insult anyone outside HwangSin, which was clearly a lapse in composure, and I apologized. HwangSin and I, have both apologized to eachother for our argument on a skype call, and we have moved on with no hard feelings. I have no issue with HwangSin, or the asian community whatsoever, and again I apologize if you were offended. There's very little you can do to make me happy. I don't care that you apologized, I don't care that GoSu has accepted your apology. To me none of that matters. You called HwangSin a gook, and that has, in my mind, irrevocably and eternally made you unworthy of my fandom. The differences between you and IdrA are simple: IdrA does not spit racial slurs at people, and IdrA is flat-out better than you, so he can back up his trash-talk. Until you start pumping out better results than IdrA, or until you become nicer than Sheth, you will be the villain at every tournament at which you compete to me, and nothing more. I wish you nothing but the worst luck in StarCraft. | ||
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
On September 26 2011 04:53 mbr2321 wrote: There's very little you can do to make me happy. I don't care that you apologized, I don't care that GoSu has accepted your apology. To me none of that matters. You called HwangSin a gook, and that has, in my mind, irrevocably and eternally made you unworthy of my fandom. The differences between you and IdrA are simple: IdrA does not spit racial slurs at people, and IdrA is flat-out better than you, so he can back up his trash-talk. Until you start pumping out better results than IdrA, or until you become nicer than Sheth, you will be the villain at every tournament at which you compete to me, and nothing more. I wish you nothing but the worst luck in StarCraft. Idra regularly uses words like "faggot". Is that alright with you? | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 26 2011 03:55 gulati wrote: No matter what the activity is, we have even seen in the most professional atmospheres that huge media celebrities and "professional athletes" have spoken and acted out of line. Shaq and Tiger Woods are just two perfect examples of international superstars worth billions of dollars in salaries, endorsements, sponsorships, etc., and they have brought down their fans, communities, and respective sports to tremendous levels. The way I see this is really simple: we are all HUMAN. If you want to act perfect and not cause a public disturbance by expressing emotions that are uncontrollable, then great. However, the truth is, we are not perfect, and there will be outbursts and spurts of anger. It's totally normal and I don't see any problem with it. Drama sucks, but the occasional drama isn't actually that bad, because it gives people a reason to "sober up", if you will. Uncontrollable? Don't lump the rest of us into people who can't control themselves. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On September 26 2011 05:03 Harrow wrote: Idra regularly uses words like "faggot". Is that alright with you? If ladder, chat channel, fine. In a major tourney? He doesn't. | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
On September 26 2011 03:49 GeeRobb wrote: Anyone hurt by online trashtalk should consult this forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829 You are a moron. I'm embarrassed that your country says Canada on tl. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
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Chinchillin
United States259 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:05 Bonkerz wrote: I truly hope so, every time something like this happens it hurts the scene. Jesus what he said was stupid but stop with this holier than thou, "good for the scene" shit. You're not who he should be talking to about this. | ||
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