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DiuLaSing
Profile Joined August 2011
Hong Kong225 Posts
September 25 2011 20:24 GMT
#281
i mean spades...i doubt any pro respect him...maphacker since bw=\
"You just abuse idiocy" - bad boy
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
September 25 2011 20:29 GMT
#282
On September 26 2011 04:53 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 18:03 Spades wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:53 iloveAthene wrote:
2 white guys calling each other the N word is not anywhere near the same league as what Spades said. Has Destiny taught us nothing? It's the thoughts behind the words and not the words themselves. And in Spades' case the thoughts seem pretty obvious.

Besides, this was a tourney where Spades was representing RGN, not a ladder game

How can you interpret the thoughts behind a single line of text? Tell me what i can do for you to make you happy? I've apologized publicly, I've apologized to HwangSin on a skype call, everything is fine in the world, but you apparently think I'm the modern day Starcraft 2 Hitler. I apologize to anyone who was offended, I said this in a chat channel with about 30 people in it. I didn't say this on stream, i didnt post this all over the internet, my intentions were never to insult anyone outside HwangSin, which was clearly a lapse in composure, and I apologized. HwangSin and I, have both apologized to eachother for our argument on a skype call, and we have moved on with no hard feelings. I have no issue with HwangSin, or the asian community whatsoever, and again I apologize if you were offended.


There's very little you can do to make me happy. I don't care that you apologized, I don't care that GoSu has accepted your apology. To me none of that matters. You called HwangSin a gook, and that has, in my mind, irrevocably and eternally made you unworthy of my fandom. The differences between you and IdrA are simple: IdrA does not spit racial slurs at people, and IdrA is flat-out better than you, so he can back up his trash-talk.

Until you start pumping out better results than IdrA, or until you become nicer than Sheth, you will be the villain at every tournament at which you compete to me, and nothing more. I wish you nothing but the worst luck in StarCraft.


people do much worse than call others racial slurs in this world. maybe western society has convinced you otherwise. that is sad.
everytimee
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
September 25 2011 20:30 GMT
#283
self-righteous bitches with agendas...beware! We can't even say gook while referring to someone saying it?...isn't that immature. Racial slurrrr...herp derp.

User was warned for this post
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 25 2011 20:32 GMT
#284
On September 26 2011 05:03 Harrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 04:53 mbr2321 wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:03 Spades wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:53 iloveAthene wrote:
2 white guys calling each other the N word is not anywhere near the same league as what Spades said. Has Destiny taught us nothing? It's the thoughts behind the words and not the words themselves. And in Spades' case the thoughts seem pretty obvious.

Besides, this was a tourney where Spades was representing RGN, not a ladder game

How can you interpret the thoughts behind a single line of text? Tell me what i can do for you to make you happy? I've apologized publicly, I've apologized to HwangSin on a skype call, everything is fine in the world, but you apparently think I'm the modern day Starcraft 2 Hitler. I apologize to anyone who was offended, I said this in a chat channel with about 30 people in it. I didn't say this on stream, i didnt post this all over the internet, my intentions were never to insult anyone outside HwangSin, which was clearly a lapse in composure, and I apologized. HwangSin and I, have both apologized to eachother for our argument on a skype call, and we have moved on with no hard feelings. I have no issue with HwangSin, or the asian community whatsoever, and again I apologize if you were offended.


There's very little you can do to make me happy. I don't care that you apologized, I don't care that GoSu has accepted your apology. To me none of that matters. You called HwangSin a gook, and that has, in my mind, irrevocably and eternally made you unworthy of my fandom. The differences between you and IdrA are simple: IdrA does not spit racial slurs at people, and IdrA is flat-out better than you, so he can back up his trash-talk.

Until you start pumping out better results than IdrA, or until you become nicer than Sheth, you will be the villain at every tournament at which you compete to me, and nothing more. I wish you nothing but the worst luck in StarCraft.


Idra regularly uses words like "faggot". Is that alright with you?


Haha, not any different than "asshole" or similar. I know some people think it somehow relates to a slur against homosexuals, but often times it's not. South Park episode comes to mind.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
September 25 2011 20:34 GMT
#285
On September 26 2011 05:29 taintmachine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 04:53 mbr2321 wrote:
On September 25 2011 18:03 Spades wrote:
On September 25 2011 17:53 iloveAthene wrote:
2 white guys calling each other the N word is not anywhere near the same league as what Spades said. Has Destiny taught us nothing? It's the thoughts behind the words and not the words themselves. And in Spades' case the thoughts seem pretty obvious.

Besides, this was a tourney where Spades was representing RGN, not a ladder game

How can you interpret the thoughts behind a single line of text? Tell me what i can do for you to make you happy? I've apologized publicly, I've apologized to HwangSin on a skype call, everything is fine in the world, but you apparently think I'm the modern day Starcraft 2 Hitler. I apologize to anyone who was offended, I said this in a chat channel with about 30 people in it. I didn't say this on stream, i didnt post this all over the internet, my intentions were never to insult anyone outside HwangSin, which was clearly a lapse in composure, and I apologized. HwangSin and I, have both apologized to eachother for our argument on a skype call, and we have moved on with no hard feelings. I have no issue with HwangSin, or the asian community whatsoever, and again I apologize if you were offended.


There's very little you can do to make me happy. I don't care that you apologized, I don't care that GoSu has accepted your apology. To me none of that matters. You called HwangSin a gook, and that has, in my mind, irrevocably and eternally made you unworthy of my fandom. The differences between you and IdrA are simple: IdrA does not spit racial slurs at people, and IdrA is flat-out better than you, so he can back up his trash-talk.

Until you start pumping out better results than IdrA, or until you become nicer than Sheth, you will be the villain at every tournament at which you compete to me, and nothing more. I wish you nothing but the worst luck in StarCraft.


people do much worse than call others racial slurs in this world. maybe western society has convinced you otherwise. that is sad.


What you just said makes no sense at all. He never said a racial slur is the worst thing you can say to anybody, but he is right in that Spades is talking about of shit that he can't back up. What's worse is that hes getting racial about it, probably because he's just an insecure douche.


Arathore
Profile Joined January 2011
104 Posts
September 25 2011 20:35 GMT
#286
I thought this was the internet?
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 20:50:32
September 25 2011 20:46 GMT
#287
People getting worked up over this one racial slur is stupid. It's obvious he didn't mean it, he was just angry and in the moment probably not thinking straight. Does this mean he's a douchebag? Yes. Yes it does.

Who cares, it's fkn Spades lol. And ofc if pro-gamers were acting like this in a profesional environment such as MLG or DreamHack etc, there should be repercussions (see professionalism etc.) but honestly, this is such a minor issue that it shouldn't even be addressed. This isn't the first time someone has gotten out of line outside their professional line of work, I mean he's talking sh*t on bnet of all places, i'm sure you can dig up many cases where professional athletes or celebrities were completely out of line when they were caught drunk or something, because hey guess what? they're people too and they may not be the nicest or the smartest of people out there.. this fake image they need to put on at all times is stupid.
to live is to suffer
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
September 25 2011 20:51 GMT
#288
How long have you owned an internet? You've got to be new here...

It's hard to raise your voice via text so people have to use some way to incite seriousness. Being more profane, insulting gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. Check it out:

e.g. 1: Be quiet.

e.g. 2: + Show Spoiler +
Shut the fuck up you faggot gook.


Swearing is used in place of tone of voice in order to "shout."
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
September 25 2011 20:56 GMT
#289
On September 26 2011 05:51 Sinensis wrote:
How long have you owned an internet? You've got to be new here...

It's hard to raise your voice via text so people have to use some way to incite seriousness. Being more profane, insulting gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. Check it out:

e.g. 1: Be quiet.

e.g. 2: + Show Spoiler +
Shut the fuck up you faggot gook.


Swearing is used in place of tone of voice in order to "shout."

What the fuck? Are you serious?
o choro é livre
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
September 25 2011 20:56 GMT
#290
I can understand getting angry if your livelihood is attached to the game like Spades and Hwangsin but for Random Master's #153625 to start screaming at me in game ... I just find it kind of amusing, tbh. Not like either of us are good enough for balance to even matter.
Wat
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
September 25 2011 21:02 GMT
#291
On September 26 2011 05:56 AlBundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 05:51 Sinensis wrote:
How long have you owned an internet? You've got to be new here...

It's hard to raise your voice via text so people have to use some way to incite seriousness. Being more profane, insulting gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc. Check it out:

e.g. 1: Be quiet.

e.g. 2: + Show Spoiler +
Shut the fuck up you faggot gook.


Swearing is used in place of tone of voice in order to "shout."

What the fuck? Are you serious?


I don't know, people talk like that all the time. I guess I'm just used to it, not that I approve. I mean honestly anyone could be drunk or disoriented one night and slip up. Happens all the time IRL too. People shouldn't be so upset, it doesn't even seem like either of their feelings are hurt.
JediGamer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States656 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 21:09:10
September 25 2011 21:03 GMT
#292
On September 26 2011 03:44 Golgotha wrote:
threads like this make me sick. a person gets all cutsie fartsy about something someone said to them online. so they make a post about it on TL claiming that this is no personal vendetta but something that needs the attention of the entire planet.

the only reason why it came out into the public was because YOU (jedi whatever) made it public. Otherwise it was in a private channel for specific pros.

No one here can take you seriously and this topic is going to go nowhere when you ALSO do shit like this:

[image loading]

Source:
http://sc2armory.com/forums/topic/22830/page:1

Which is hilarious because you complain in your OP....

Show nested quote +
What triggered this thread was that a semi pro/ high level terran on NA ladder on skype told me i should go kill myself which lead me to think about the question. The fact that we see pro players threatening each other when we as a community are still trying to gain legitimacy outside of the gaming world.

For our game what we love,to go to the next level, do we need people to mature. In other sports such as baseball or football, people dont say shit like this because it is a THREAT, and over the interenet it is no different, I doubt that anybody would come up to my face and tell me to kill myself.


I would suggest you get your own players in SHAPE before you start throwing mud at others you hypocrite.


I'm not the OP.... Did you really type all of that on a wrong assumption. FAIL!

small edit: nineteen had it coming. I 3-0'd him prior to that loss and every game he said "Terran is overpowered" and kept blaming my race for the win. Then he distracts me by literally crying in the middle of the game and I decided its time to turn on the fancy rants.
http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/coach/sc2coaching Tastosis Approved Coaching
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
September 25 2011 21:04 GMT
#293
Bonkerz, I hit you on ladder in the past and you bm'd me so I find this all a little hilarious.

But yes, we should all be manner, and yes, we will make mistakes.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
JediGamer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States656 Posts
September 25 2011 21:07 GMT
#294
On September 26 2011 06:04 Oreo7 wrote:
Bonkerz, I hit you on ladder in the past and you bm'd me so I find this all a little hilarious.

But yes, we should all be manner, and yes, we will make mistakes.


Nooo..... the "scene".... this can't be good for it! Somebody stop him before its too late!
http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/coach/sc2coaching Tastosis Approved Coaching
Monkeyballs25
Profile Joined October 2010
531 Posts
September 25 2011 21:09 GMT
#295
On September 26 2011 05:18 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 03:49 GeeRobb wrote:
Anyone hurt by online trashtalk should consult this forum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829

You are a moron. I'm embarrassed that your country says Canada on tl.


Oh he meant that as an insult? I thought he was just pointing people towards a useful thread, or was making a point about how civil people over there were being over a normally contentious issue.

I'm just glad the low level EU ladder has next to no trash talk, I guess everyone's more relaxed about their games there


MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 21:12:08
September 25 2011 21:10 GMT
#296
I'm sorry, and maybe it's just me... but I feel like the people who post these type of threads are (in a completely different way) just as bad as Spades with his BM to HwangSin.

I mean what are you trying to accomplish by posting this? Either you want another argument to erupt from people being offended from what was said to HwangSin, or... you just like stirring up e-drama.
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
September 25 2011 21:11 GMT
#297
On September 26 2011 06:03 JediGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 03:44 Golgotha wrote:
threads like this make me sick. a person gets all cutsie fartsy about something someone said to them online. so they make a post about it on TL claiming that this is no personal vendetta but something that needs the attention of the entire planet.

the only reason why it came out into the public was because YOU (jedi whatever) made it public. Otherwise it was in a private channel for specific pros.

No one here can take you seriously and this topic is going to go nowhere when you ALSO do shit like this:

[image loading]

Source:
http://sc2armory.com/forums/topic/22830/page:1

Which is hilarious because you complain in your OP....

What triggered this thread was that a semi pro/ high level terran on NA ladder on skype told me i should go kill myself which lead me to think about the question. The fact that we see pro players threatening each other when we as a community are still trying to gain legitimacy outside of the gaming world.

For our game what we love,to go to the next level, do we need people to mature. In other sports such as baseball or football, people dont say shit like this because it is a THREAT, and over the interenet it is no different, I doubt that anybody would come up to my face and tell me to kill myself.


I would suggest you get your own players in SHAPE before you start throwing mud at others you hypocrite.


I'm not the OP.... Did you really type all of that on a wrong assumption. FAIL!

small edit: nineteen had it coming. I 3-0'd him prior to that loss and every game he said "Terran is overpowered" and kept blaming my race for the win. Then he distracts me by literally crying in the middle of the game and I decided its time to turn on the fancy rants.



Then you should have taken the loss, knowing you already 3-0'd (I guess 3-1) the kid and gone on with your life. Instead of turning into an XBox Live child.
Wat
kofman
Profile Joined August 2011
Andorra698 Posts
September 25 2011 21:16 GMT
#298
I have a question: is manner muling BM? Koreans in the GSL do it basically every game, from what I see, but when I tried doing it today, the guy got really pissed off at me and raged. I didn't mean to be an asshole, I just wanted to say "I won, you lost, please leave the game" in a polite fashion, without saying it outright. Whenever I get manner muled, I don't feel offended and just accept it as my opponent telling me to leave the game already and GG out, but is it actually an insult? Cause I don't wanna be BM, I just wanna let people know the game is over.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
September 25 2011 21:19 GMT
#299
On September 26 2011 06:16 kofman wrote:
I have a question: is manner muling BM? Koreans in the GSL do it basically every game, from what I see, but when I tried doing it today, the guy got really pissed off at me and raged. I didn't mean to be an asshole, I just wanted to say "I won, you lost, please leave the game" in a polite fashion, without saying it outright. Whenever I get manner muled, I don't feel offended and just accept it as my opponent telling me to leave the game already and GG out, but is it actually an insult? Cause I don't wanna be BM, I just wanna let people know the game is over.


You know how IdrA types "get out" to people?

That's what manner mules mean. Terran just doesn't have to type it xD
iloveAthene
Profile Joined June 2011
186 Posts
September 25 2011 21:20 GMT
#300
On September 26 2011 04:48 Ownos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 03:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On September 25 2011 16:20 Bonkerz wrote:
In other sports such as baseball or football, people dont say shit like this

Not true

On September 25 2011 16:20 Bonkerz wrote:
From an outside investor/sponsor what would make you think our community is professional

Professional respect comes from work, not from personality.

For some professions, image is part of the job. But public image isn't ever a true reflection of personality. And every profession where public image matters, there's a constant flow of terrible mistakes: politician, actor, musician, athlete. And yet they continue to have success because anyone can recover from almost anything. Even violent crime, like Michael Vick and Chris Brown. Drug abuse, racism, sexism, homophobia, betrayal of loved ones, etc, are all regularly overcome.

So while you can imagine an esports utopia where all players are civil and respectful at all times, it'll never be a reality. For sponsors and investors, it's a hazard of the business that they must do their best to avoid by picking their partners carefully. It's not the case that we can root it all out and grow faster. We're humans and this stuff just happens.


Those people continue to have some semblance of success because people cling and stick their heads into the sand believing their star/idol is a saint. Like a woman to an abusive boyfriend.

Maybe they don't go dirt poor the next day, but to say it doesn't hurt them and everyone will just forget tomorrow what they did is wrong.


yeah, look at Michael Richards. His career is over.
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