EPT[Poll] Best Foreigner? - Page 61
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:39 FlamingTurd wrote: IdrA played incredibly amazing in IEM and absolutely annihilated those other amazing players so IdrA is definitely # 1 right now. 1 tournament doesn't make you the best at anything. Consistency is what makes you best. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
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damod
1106 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:40 darkness wrote: 1 tournament doesn't make you the best at anything. Consistency is what makes you best. So by that logic thorzain shouldnt be #1 in this poll, since his only Major win was TSL3 and he havnt won any major tourny since then | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On October 05 2011 00:19 Savern101 wrote: Demuslim has consistently beaten Kas in every TvT they've played in the past few months. His TvT is extremely strong. Do you have links to some games? I watched quite a few of demuslims games from 1-2 months ago, and he plays a somewhat coinflippy style, not playing very safe. He definitely however improved from playing in a "pro" house, and i might underrate him now. | ||
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Hodgy
United States64 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:36 mcc wrote: On the other hand Thorzain actually beat good Korean zergs, something hard to say about Kas. For me its not really important if he wins like 3/10 games against korean zergs. The sample size is just way to small to prove anything. I rather look at how he plays, and with his current tvz i can see him doing well vs korean zergs that plays in a specific way, but he will lose to zergs who are better at abusing the fact that he is slowpushing. IMO kas just has a better tvz from a mechanical perspective, and plays more like korean terrans does (just kinda lacks the very solid macro, but late game the difference between having 600-700 average unspent and 800-900 isn't that gigantic, compared to the ability to control tank and marines very well). | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:05 damod wrote: So by that logic thorzain shouldnt be #1 in this poll, since his only Major win was TSL3 and he havnt won any major tourny since then What logic is this ? He said that one win does not mean you are top, he did not say that only first places matter. I can easily see a situation where player that never wins a tournament is considered best player in the world, if he is consistently 2nd and all his opponents win once and then totally fail. Thorzain consistently wins against difficult opponents and places high in the tournaments. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:13 Hider wrote: For me its not really important if he wins like 3/10 games against korean zergs. The sample size is just way to small to prove anything. I rather look at how he plays, and with his current tvz i can see him doing well vs korean zergs that plays in a specific way, but he will lose to zergs who are better at abusing the fact that he is slowpushing. IMO kas just has a better tvz from a mechanical perspective, and plays more like korean terrans does (just kinda lacks the very solid macro, but late game the difference between having 600-700 average unspent and 800-900 isn't that gigantic, compared to the ability to control tank and marines very well). Well that just says that you like Kas's style and play better. I like Thorzain's better The results should be the main determinant of who is considered the best in X matchup if we want to try to have at least somewhat objective answer. Also he has better score than 3/10 | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:39 FlamingTurd wrote: IdrA played incredibly amazing in IEM and absolutely annihilated those other amazing players so IdrA is definitely # 1 right now. I knew I'd see a post like this as soon as I came here. Seems like peoples opinions will change based on whoever has won the most recent major tournament. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On October 05 2011 02:26 mcc wrote: What logic is this ? He said that one win does not mean you are top, he did not say that only first places matter. I can easily see a situation where player that never wins a tournament is considered best player in the world, if he is consistently 2nd and all his opponents win once and then totally fail. Thorzain consistently wins against difficult opponents and places high in the tournaments. Hmm... When i read "consistency" i translated it as "having more tourny wins/dominating other tourny's", i would have really liked to write a huge wall of text providing my opinion in this matter, but i feel that it will become a really long and annoying argument, so ill just say it short: you can be called the best even though you havnt won a Single tourny, but winning high level tournaments is a solid proof for being the best (well atleast for most people, if it makes sense) | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:39 FlamingTurd wrote: IdrA played incredibly amazing in IEM and absolutely annihilated those other amazing players so IdrA is definitely # 1 right now. Uhh lol? Let's not go overboard it's one tournament and I seem to recall huk is in code S in Korea, let's see if Idra can even hang in code A. | ||
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Trealador
United States207 Posts
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Trealador
United States207 Posts
On October 05 2011 03:04 forgottendreams wrote: Uhh lol? Let's not go overboard it's one tournament and I seem to recall huk is in code S in Korea, let's see if Idra can even hang in code A. Huk also got knocked out in the first round this time, and doesn't seem to hold up his Code S status very well at any recent MLG's. Although he is a very good player, his constant travel seems to have effected his performance in many of the tournaments. It is very difficult to simply say one is better than the other because they go through phases and outside forces may affect their mindset which will effect their play. At this moment in time I believe that IdrA is out playing all the other foreigners that we have seen so far, although I see no one is talking about Sase? When IdrA goes to Korea and gets into Code S after a few short months, (as well as DeMuslim) hopefully you will all see why he is so hyped. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26031 Posts
Idra was pretty sick in the IEM knockout stages, but pretty woeful in the pool play. His mechanics are pretty much beyond question, as is his analysis of the games when looking back upon them. The thing holding him back is always whether he will tilt or not and even with the IEM win this question hasn't been conclusively answered. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:41 Imbak333 wrote: Who did Idra just beat that makes him worth picking over everyone else on that list? That'd be Puma, although I think it mostly is owed to Idra being more experienced in lans. He also beat the Finnish Cruncher but felt he didn't deserve to be 2nd over Puma. On October 05 2011 03:11 Ubertron wrote: Naniwa will get back to the top tier of foreign players very soon, the guy is changing his entire playstyle (again), and if I recall when he last did that he went on that insane MLG run. He's eschewing short term gains for long term ones and I for one think it'll work out very well for him given his work ethic. Idra was pretty sick in the IEM knockout stages, but pretty woeful in the pool play. His mechanics are pretty much beyond question, as is his analysis of the games when looking back upon them. The thing holding him back is always whether he will tilt or not and even with the IEM win this question hasn't been conclusively answered. During the game on Terminus, at one point he damn near lost his whole army but macroed out of the deficit and game back to a win a minute later. Pretty sure he would've GGed out of that game if he thought he'd lost. | ||
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Trealador
United States207 Posts
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Skamtet
Canada634 Posts
On October 05 2011 01:37 RajaF wrote: No White-Ra or Morrow? What gives? Because they are not top notch players? | ||
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