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On December 10 2011 04:25 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:24 MonkSEA wrote:On December 10 2011 04:23 Crushinator wrote:On December 10 2011 04:20 MonkSEA wrote:On December 10 2011 04:18 JohnMatrix wrote:On December 10 2011 04:11 Poopi wrote:On December 10 2011 03:30 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 03:24 striderxxx wrote:On December 10 2011 03:21 Maenander wrote:
Stephano reached the top25, rank 17 currently. Simply amazing. why is this considered amazing?? every pro has done that on the KR ladder at one point. who exactly? no foreigner EVER got that high to my knowledge. no huk, no sase, no naniwa, no idra. not nearly as high. and he plays for 5 days. its just 1 of tons of proove how good he is, but haters fight reasons to denie anything good he does On December 10 2011 03:29 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 10 2011 03:19 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 03:15 m0ck wrote:
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You mean like an innovative strategy that is hard to deal with? People that say Stephano has bad mechanics have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. abusive zerg player. hahahahaha. IdrA fanboy i assume? You know you can actually make arguments without insulting other players, right? Who did i insult? Im not insulting IdrA at all, but his fans often seem to see things kind of 1 sided. + you insult stephano in this thread all the time. SaSe got top 16 a couple times... yeah sase was 14th GM at a moment. but stephano ratio is the highest from any foreigners yet reaching a top 20 so far... By ratio, you mean when he owned people in lower leagues before he was promoted? His ratio will even up now that his playing people at his skill level. Why the fuck do you even post if you dont know what you are talking about? His account was in masters when he got it and he started at high masters low GM MMR. His win rate has been the same now that he is high GM. If his playing high GM's now and then he started in masters, then doesn't that mean he was playing people lower then his skill level? Seems pretty logical to me. That might be because you are retarded.
You sir are a very respectful debater with a lot of logical points to back up your counter arguments.
On December 10 2011 04:26 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:20 MonkSEA wrote:On December 10 2011 04:18 JohnMatrix wrote:On December 10 2011 04:11 Poopi wrote:On December 10 2011 03:30 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 03:24 striderxxx wrote:On December 10 2011 03:21 Maenander wrote:
Stephano reached the top25, rank 17 currently. Simply amazing. why is this considered amazing?? every pro has done that on the KR ladder at one point. who exactly? no foreigner EVER got that high to my knowledge. no huk, no sase, no naniwa, no idra. not nearly as high. and he plays for 5 days. its just 1 of tons of proove how good he is, but haters fight reasons to denie anything good he does On December 10 2011 03:29 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 10 2011 03:19 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 03:15 m0ck wrote:On December 10 2011 03:12 Shiori wrote:On December 10 2011 02:55 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Stephano is really good fundamentally, but I really wish he would take the time to practice some non ling infestor ultra builds. If people catch onto you it becomes much, much more difficult to win. Pretty much this. I really feel like, and I don't mean this insultingly, Stephano is an "abusive" Zerg player. I don't think he's winning because of his mechanics or innovative strategies. He found something that's really, really hard for players to deal with (Toss especially) and he keeps doing. You mean like an innovative strategy that is hard to deal with? People that say Stephano has bad mechanics have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. abusive zerg player. hahahahaha. IdrA fanboy i assume? You know you can actually make arguments without insulting other players, right? Who did i insult? Im not insulting IdrA at all, but his fans often seem to see things kind of 1 sided. + you insult stephano in this thread all the time. SaSe got top 16 a couple times... yeah sase was 14th GM at a moment. but stephano ratio is the highest from any foreigners yet reaching a top 20 so far... By ratio, you mean when he owned people in lower leagues before he was promoted? His ratio will even up now that his playing people at his skill level. His win rate has gone down by about 2% in the last 3 days, and that is mainly due to Jjakji 3-0ing him. People are posting all his results in this thread and he is winning way more than he loses vs. top Korean players. Sase had a 57% win rate and from the looks of it, Stephano won't even drop to 67%.
He had a really bad day on his third day though when he started hitting Nestea and Jjakji with losses to both respectively and got a 50% win/loss ratio.
Past 2 days, he's jumped back to around 67-73%
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Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story.
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On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story.
I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL
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On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL
That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow.
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On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow.
Stop making it sound like those players have said stephano is bad.
They simply said he won't keep winning AS MUCH.
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On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story.
Queue to Giorgio Tsoukalos saying "americans".
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Idra and huk are good but at the end it will be stephano and naniwa who will carry the foreigner flag at the blizzcon cup.
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On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow.
That's quite funny, because watching Idras game against Titan at WCG, he actually played ling-ultra ^^
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On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL
The more fanboys a player gets, the more anti-fanboys he gets.
That is something i noticed quite a lot, in BW and in SC2 as well (doesn't apply to REALLY nice people like white-ra though)
Idra also has a LOT of anti-fanboys and so has stephano. the reason for stephano is the hype that is going on. And stephano got a LOT of hype and so the anti-hype bandwagon started to roll.
People were right when they stated that EU ladder doesn't say too much and that he has to prove in real leagues. And he did by winning tournaments with koreans in it and owning up the korean ladder.
Ask the likes of tod,sase,morrow,huk etcetc. what they think of getting into the top 30 of the KR ladder after 5 days with such a winratio.... it is just outstanding. Idra won't be able to achieve the same, I would bet on this
And yes, it is also a question of where you were born.
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On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow.
Well thats becuase people dont watch Stephano how can he get figured out when he does so much different stuff. I never got that argument . He can play roach/ling/bling muta/bling ling/infestor/ultralisk and can go broodlords in ZVT and does alot of other shit in the other matchups. He is also exstremely defensive and agressive I actually think sometime he is to agressive and lose some silly game becuase of that..
I really dont understand the figuring out argument. If we talk about zergs that easy to figure out take Idra he done muta/bling only the last year..
And not to shit on SOTG and there crew but its really not the top pro´s in the world commentating is it?
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On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:
That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow.
To be honest, while I definitely value all of those players' opinions, Artosis in particular is not a guy I would take seriously when it comes to predicting players' skill. I mean, even from BW days Artosis seems to have a habit of being embarrassingly wrong about his predictions.
Idra and Tyler I would trust to be more correct than Artosis, though, despite Idra's infamous QQ and so on. His predictions and analysis are excellent, and Tyler is, well, ChillToss. His opinion is more than likely rational, well-formed and more or less unbiased.
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On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow.
If anything his style is more solid than Idra's. Stephano does not lose to early pressure. His style has proven itself robust on ladder where variance is the highest.
There are ways to punish his style but he adapts pretty quickly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have some hiccups in future tournaments as people throw out cleverly designed builds. But to imply that he can be "figured out" in the long-term suggests that his play is very static. The speed at which he adapts to novel situations in game suggests otherwise.
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On December 10 2011 04:43 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:
That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow. To be honest, while I definitely value all of those players' opinions, Artosis in particular is not a guy I would take seriously when it comes to predicting players' skill. I mean, even from BW days Artosis seems to have a habit of being embarrassingly wrong about his predictions. Idra and Tyler I would trust to be more correct than Artosis, though, despite Idra's infamous QQ and so on. His predictions and analysis are excellent, and Tyler is, well, ChillToss. His opinion is more than likely rational, well-formed and more or less unbiased.
Tyler said that Stephano's ladder run was indeed impressive as far as I remember.
edit: Idra is not the one to talk about people figuring out someone's style anyway, remember Puma said at NASL that he could defeat Idra so easily because he always plays the same.
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On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow.
Please point out the "weird" part of the "style" is. The only "stylistic" matchup is his ZvT. He plays 100% standard in all other matchups. I don't even know (but recognize) this "stephano style" and what's all about. He used to play standard muta-bling even in ZvT (with amazing baneling burrow micro). Then I stopped watching his stream and suddenly he started doing ultra/infestors and people think that's the only thing he can do -_-'
Really you guys are running out of excuses..
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stephano is the best...
there wil always be haters who cares
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On December 10 2011 04:46 WaSa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow. Please point out the "weird" part of the "style" is. The only "stylistic" matchup is his ZvT. He plays 100% standard in all other matchups. I don't even know (but recognize) this "stephano style" and what's all about. He used to play standard muta-bling even in ZvT (with amazing baneling burrow micro). Then I stopped watching his stream and suddenly he started doing ultra/infestors and people think that's the only thing he can do -_-' Really you guys are running out of excuses..
I agree, people who say he has a "style that will get figured out" haven't been watching him play. Stephano's style evolves constantly. However I have noticed that he is truly unique in one particular regard; he almost never makes banelings.
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On December 10 2011 04:47 zerker2strong wrote:
stephano is the best...
there wil always be haters who cares
thats the reason he has a lot of haters. because of all this "he is the best" bs. has he won a gsl? no. so stfu lol
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On December 10 2011 04:29 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:20 MonkSEA wrote:On December 10 2011 04:18 JohnMatrix wrote:On December 10 2011 04:11 Poopi wrote:On December 10 2011 03:30 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 03:24 striderxxx wrote:On December 10 2011 03:21 Maenander wrote:
Stephano reached the top25, rank 17 currently. Simply amazing. why is this considered amazing?? every pro has done that on the KR ladder at one point. who exactly? no foreigner EVER got that high to my knowledge. no huk, no sase, no naniwa, no idra. not nearly as high. and he plays for 5 days. its just 1 of tons of proove how good he is, but haters fight reasons to denie anything good he does On December 10 2011 03:29 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 10 2011 03:19 KalWarkov wrote:On December 10 2011 03:15 m0ck wrote:On December 10 2011 03:12 Shiori wrote:On December 10 2011 02:55 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Stephano is really good fundamentally, but I really wish he would take the time to practice some non ling infestor ultra builds. If people catch onto you it becomes much, much more difficult to win. Pretty much this. I really feel like, and I don't mean this insultingly, Stephano is an "abusive" Zerg player. I don't think he's winning because of his mechanics or innovative strategies. He found something that's really, really hard for players to deal with (Toss especially) and he keeps doing. You mean like an innovative strategy that is hard to deal with? People that say Stephano has bad mechanics have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. abusive zerg player. hahahahaha. IdrA fanboy i assume? You know you can actually make arguments without insulting other players, right? Who did i insult? Im not insulting IdrA at all, but his fans often seem to see things kind of 1 sided. + you insult stephano in this thread all the time. SaSe got top 16 a couple times... yeah sase was 14th GM at a moment. but stephano ratio is the highest from any foreigners yet reaching a top 20 so far... By ratio, you mean when he owned people in lower leagues before he was promoted? His ratio will even up now that his playing people at his skill level. Actually he loaned a mid masters account and first day allrdy played low GM players. 2nd day only GM and l8r got promoted to GM that evening. And his win ratio is actually gettting higher today he had huge winning streak around 75%. I know its hard for others to belive but yea atm Stephanos win ratio is going up while playing against the very best Korea has to offer.
Stephano is far better than most of the foreigners, and better than the tip top foreigners, so it would be a shame not to see him in the top of the KR ladder =)
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At the moment Stephano is a lot more solid than idrA. idrA can tilt so easy and a champion can't fall at everything that goes wrong.
And please, idras style is a lot more predictable than Stephanos. When idra says he is mixing it up he does a stupid roach all in that fails.
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On December 10 2011 04:49 soupchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:46 WaSa wrote:On December 10 2011 04:38 soulist wrote:On December 10 2011 04:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 10 2011 04:34 Ryps wrote:
Im really surprised this thread wasnt closed yet. Stephano must be the most hated pro zerg, half the comments are about ladder not mattering, being overrated.
Why do so many people dont like Stephano ? If this was Idra it would be a whole different story. I sayd it many times if Stephano was born in the USA he would be a god here on TL That may be true but you have to understand that it is not just some random fags on TL that do not like Stephano, some of the pro players (idra+tyler) have said (on SOTG) that his style is very weird and when it gets figured out he wont be nearly as good. Artosis said the same thing and if everyone knows anything about Artosis, as soon as he sees a glimpse of skill in a player he talks about them like there is no tomorrow. Please point out the "weird" part of the "style" is. The only "stylistic" matchup is his ZvT. He plays 100% standard in all other matchups. I don't even know (but recognize) this "stephano style" and what's all about. He used to play standard muta-bling even in ZvT (with amazing baneling burrow micro). Then I stopped watching his stream and suddenly he started doing ultra/infestors and people think that's the only thing he can do -_-' Really you guys are running out of excuses.. I agree, people who say he has a "style that will get figured out" haven't been watching him play. Stephano's style evolves constantly. However I have noticed that he is truly unique in one particular regard; he almost never makes banelings.
Thats actually true, pretty much the only unit I dont see him make much. It do happens but very rare
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