EPTThat said, I'm still very frustrated by his complete refusal to mix a few banelings in with his lings, I think it could solve alot of the problems he has against mass medivac. But hey, I geuss he's doing well regardless. Can't wait to see him play in the Blizzard Cup, gonna be tough, but he has a shot.
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
That said, I'm still very frustrated by his complete refusal to mix a few banelings in with his lings, I think it could solve alot of the problems he has against mass medivac. But hey, I geuss he's doing well regardless. Can't wait to see him play in the Blizzard Cup, gonna be tough, but he has a shot. | ||
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hyperdemented
Austria372 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:01 Slipspace wrote: i love watching this guy stream, his playstyle is just so spot on i don't really understand where idra is coming from when he says things like "stephano will be figured out" because his play is as safe and solid as it gets really i just laugh at that quote by idra. After all, he is probably the most figured out pro in sc2 and constantly loses to early pressure/timings. | ||
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WaSa
Sweden749 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:04 SeaSwift wrote: Maybe it's just my interpretation, but you seem to get really defensive. Not making banelings at all in ZvT and always going Infestors is, pretty much by definition, a style. Most players do make banelings in ZvT, and Infestors are not exactly a common replacement for banelings until the very lategame. soupchicken wasn't saying Stephano was BAD for not making banelings, and yet you dismissed his opinion while saying "oh, coz Infestors" and "hardly unique". It's not so much whether you are right or wrong that annoys me, just your aggressiveness. Again, if it was just carried over the Internet badly and I misinterpreted your tone, sorry. But it seems like you're trying to start an argument. Infestors are a common replacement for banelings already in midgame - if you choose infestors over mutalisks. Granted most players do make a 'nest and a couple of banes at least to be safe. I didn't assumed or think soupchicken thought Stephano was bad and don't think I was insinuating anything such either. He did however concur stephano evolves over time like every player does and should, yet he used the word "style". That's what my two question in the end was for. (why call X player style when he can play like everyone else). Maybe you should take your own advice and not be so "aggressive" (as you were in the first post with that silly line), especially if you don't understand a post. | ||
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Poebes
Netherlands192 Posts
Second: Also stop saying Stephano is the best, cause thats just stupid as well. We'll see in 2012 if he's the best. Right now he hasn't had the time to prove he's the best. He may be, but we wouldn't be able to tell it right now. Third: He sucked in dreamhack so, yes, he has bad tournament as well and isnt a god. Fourth: Stop fucking hating on him, its just stupid. He hasnt done anything wrong. If you dont like him for whatever reason dont come say weird and stupid things in every thread you find about him. | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1350 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:03 KimJongIlJr wrote: I don't see him finishing higher than 5th or 6th at blizzard cup, but it should be a good experience for him. Sorry I just don't buy the hype, he's been carefully marketed imo. And I'm not saying he's bad ok? you totally right he clearly lack of exeprience yet with the korean playstyle. nobody stated here he will be able to do great results | ||
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Wicelo
45 Posts
In fact stephano is not overrated he's indeed one of the best players in the world and i don't say this because of his game style but because of his apm and multitask. Compare his stream and idra's stream and notice how much faster he plays. On the other hand nestea is overrated considering how bad he's performing in recent tournaments. He makes me think of fruitdealer, his gameplay was good during a small window of time but now the metagame changed he can't do shit anymore.I think the next best zergs in the world will be leenock and stephano, maybe DRG. We'll see how they perform in blizz cup. | ||
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WaSa
Sweden749 Posts
 Just my opinion, but he should muta/ling again (after blizzard cup) for GSL next year. I think it's a safer choice and that's what he need first and foremost. EDIT: Not a follow-up to above post :o | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:31 Wicelo wrote: idra is a little hater for saying what he said about stephano. I understand his jealousy though since he wasted few years of his young life in a nerd house in korea and he'll never be as good as stephano who practiced in his home without any help. Also stephano already earn more money than him. "stephano will be figured out", lmao idra is the most figured out player, even deezer can beat him because of that. In fact stephano is not overrated he's indeed one of the best players in the world and i don't say this because of his game style but because of his apm and multitask. Compare his stream and idra's stream and notice how much faster he plays. On the other hand nestea is overrated considering how bad he's performing in recent tournaments. He makes me think of fruitdealer, his gameplay was good during a small window of time but now the metagame changed he can't do shit anymore.I think the next best zergs in the world will be leenock and stephano, maybe DRG. We'll see how they perform in blizz cup. bye User was warned for this post | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
Stephano however is still really realy fucking good.. I would say he is currently better than idra, he does not have the same mental issues (leaving games and just quitting) .. which makes him alot stronger, as he simply does not care who he is facing up against. The guy now set foot in korea and is owning up some big names, i can only imagin what 3 months will do to him.. God mode. | ||
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soupchicken
United States322 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:14 WaSa wrote: Infestors are a common replacement for banelings already in midgame - if you choose infestors over mutalisks. Granted most players do make a 'nest and a couple of banes at least to be safe. I didn't assumed or think soupchicken thought Stephano was bad and don't think I was insinuating anything such either. He did however concur stephano evolves over time like every player does and should, yet he used the word "style". That's what my two question in the end was for. (why call X player style when he can play like everyone else). Maybe you should take your own advice and not be so "aggressive" (as you were in the first post with that silly line), especially if you don't understand a post. Saying Stephano has a unique style isn't necessarily negative. Rarely using banelings is a unique stylistic trait. I think you're subconsciously associating the word "gimmicky" with comments about legitimate stylistic play; probably because of Idra's comments that his "style" would be figured out essentially was Idra calling him out on his play not being solid. Also this bickering is silly we all agree he's good. | ||
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drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:31 Wicelo wrote: idra is a little hater for saying what he said about stephano. I understand his jealousy though since he wasted few years of his young life in a nerd house in korea and he'll never be as good as stephano who practiced in his home without any help. Also stephano already earn more money than him. "stephano will be figured out", lmao idra is the most figured out player, even deezer can beat him because of that. In fact stephano is not overrated he's indeed one of the best players in the world and i don't say this because of his game style but because of his apm and multitask. Compare his stream and idra's stream and notice how much faster he plays. On the other hand nestea is overrated considering how bad he's performing in recent tournaments. He makes me think of fruitdealer, his gameplay was good during a small window of time but now the metagame changed he can't do shit anymore.I think the next best zergs in the world will be leenock and stephano, maybe DRG. We'll see how they perform in blizz cup. Please explain to me how nestea is overrated considering he has been the best zerg in the world before, and during stephano's rise to popularity. In starcraft, one year of dominance is a long period of time fyi. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:46 drgonzhere wrote: Please explain to me how nestea is overrated considering he has been the best zerg in the world before, and during stephano's rise to popularity. In starcraft, one year of dominance is a long period of time fyi. He doesn't have to explain. Any opinion insulting players and professionals is apparently welcome onthis forum without warning as long as you use paragraphs, apparently. NesTea is overrated, idra is awful, but lord stephano will show us the light. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
Maybe I should start worshipping Terrans. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:53 SarcasmMonster wrote: How come Zerg gosus attract so much drama compared to the other races -_-;; Maybe I should start worshipping Terrans. That's their stylistic trait. | ||
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Wicelo
45 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:46 drgonzhere wrote: Please explain to me how nestea is overrated considering he has been the best zerg in the world before, and during stephano's rise to popularity. In starcraft, one year of dominance is a long period of time fyi. Nestea was doing good during a certain period of time when a steady metagame wasn't established yet. Just like fruitdealer. I'm not saying he won't come back but for now he's out of code S and he got beat by naniwa in MLG which are pretty big defeats for a top player. By the way on sc1 nestea was named ZergBong and he wasn't performing very well. I'm giving nestea a last chance to perform well during blizzcup, if he fails I won't be following him anymore. | ||
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Romitelli
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:12 Wicelo wrote: Nestea was doing good during a certain period of time when a steady metagame wasn't established yet. Just like fruitdealer. I'm not saying he won't come back but for now he's out of code S and he got beat by naniwa in MLG which are pretty big defeats for a top player. By the way on sc1 nestea was named ZergBong and he wasn't performing very well. I'm giving nestea a last chance to perform well during blizzcup, if he fails I won't be following him anymore. Really don't get why people worry so much about tournament results. Can't you just follow a player for liking his play style/personality/etc? | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:46 drgonzhere wrote: Please explain to me how nestea is overrated considering he has been the best zerg in the world before, and during stephano's rise to popularity. In starcraft, one year of dominance is a long period of time fyi. You mean, he has been rated as the best zerg in the world. You obviously lack the open mind to have this kind of discussion, if you consider what you believe as facts. (I'm not arguing wheter or not Nestea is the best.) Arguing who is the best is just endless, there will never be a clear answer. And honestly what matters is that Stephano can compete with the best in the world. Anyone denying that is a fool. Also, I don't understand why so many people try to oppose Sephano with Idra. Is it so hard to consider the possibility that there may be more than 1 good foreign zerg? Idra can also compete with the best players in the world, sometimes he will win, sometimes he will loose. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:06 hyperdemented wrote: really i just laugh at that quote by idra. After all, he is probably the most figured out pro in sc2 and constantly loses to early pressure/timings. All Idra said that Stephano will not be able to display the kind of consistency he did before against koreans when he gets figured out. Which is sort of a Day9-esqe thing to say. Like claiming sky to be blue or water to be wet. | ||
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drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
On December 10 2011 06:12 Wicelo wrote: Nestea was doing good during a certain period of time when a steady metagame wasn't established yet. Just like fruitdealer. I'm not saying he won't come back but for now he's out of code S and he got beat by naniwa in MLG which are pretty big defeats for a top player. By the way on sc1 nestea was named ZergBong and he wasn't performing very well. I'm giving nestea a last chance to perform well during blizzcup, if he fails I won't be following him anymore. Please don't patronize me,especially when you are the one who actually doesn't know what he is talking about. Before MLG providence, a tournament not one month ago, the only players in Korea capable of beating Nestea on any sort of consistent basis were MVP and MMA. At Providence Nestea lost to two players, Naniwa (an excellent payer in his own right who also beat stephano at dreamhack) and Haypro (A zerg player with a lot of potential). The MLG format works against players like Nestea who are at their best when they can prepare for an opponent and out think them. Nestea is still in code S, and not 4 months ago won a GSL without losing ONE game. Regardless, if the metagame has been established since MLG providence, when Nestea entered what you are calling a slump, Stephano has objectively been doing worse, not even making it out of groups. Nestea has been and is the best zerg in the world. I understand you are a tremendous fanboy, but it don't let it keep you from having a brain and please above all don't be ignorant. They are both excellent players, and arguably top 5 zergs in the world, but please Nestea is Nestea his results do all the talking. | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:58 Lasbike wrote: Here is 8th december run on the GM korean ladder, against : (Name/Rank/Map/Result/Mini BR) + Show Spoiler + GoldenfOu 110th GM ZvZ / Shattered Temple. Stephano lost, went roachs against infestors/ling. Got infestor dropped in the main. TreefOu 53rd GM ZvT / Shakuras. Stephano won with his muta-less/baneling-less style against a heavy ghost terran (ghost drop at 10:00 in the game) TreefOu 53rd GM ZvT / Tal Darim. Second time. Stephano won again. Heavy macro game, festors/ultras vs ghost/tanks/marines. GoldenfOu 110th GM ZvZ / Metalopolis. Second time. Stephano won. Golden went for maaaaass festors/lings (+drop), this time, stephano was prepared, and owned. SaturnPrime ZvZ / Shattered Temple. Stephano lost, macro game, very intense in the beggining. Both went roachs/hydras. Saturn had more. 아레스 104th GM ZvP / Metalopolis. Stephano won, he destroyed the protoss. 재경시정철민범범 36th GM ZvZ / Antiga. Stephano lost GoldenfOu 110th GM ZvZ / Antiga. Third time today ! Stephano won. Lings/festors/ultras against mass roachs from golden. Sick ultra timing. HoonMvP 22nd GM ZvT / Metalopolis. Stephano won. AWESOME Game. The terran had half of metalopolis, PF everywhere, sieged tanks & ghosts everywhere. And stephano..destroyed everything. 재경시정철민범범 36th GM ZvZ / Antiga. Stephano lost. oGsMC 26th ZvZ / Metalopolis. Yep, MC miss-clicked RANDOM hahaha xD Stephano won obviously :D 아이유 ZvP / Metalopolis. Stephano lost. Seems like it was Sage. 아레스 104th GM ZvP / Metalopolis. Stephano won ez pz. 아레스 104th GM ZvP / Metalopolis. Exact same match up, different positions though :p Stephano won. He seriously destroyed this guy. At the end of the day : Stephano's rank : http://www.sc2ranks.com/kr/3282599/DreAm 57th. GM korea : http://www.sc2ranks.com/div/195936/grandmaster#rank:1 On December 10 2011 03:33 Lasbike wrote: Here is 9th december run on the GM korean ladder, against : (Name/Rank/Map/Result/Mini BR) + Show Spoiler + RvmMentalist 105th GM ZvP / Shattered Temple. Stephano won ez pz. Went mass roach + drop + burrow. Attacked both the main with roach drop and the third with roaches, destroyed everything. Raptor (oGsForGG). Not GM right now ZvT / Metalopolis Stephano won. ForGG went for mech, starting with BFH & banshee harass throughout early & midgame. Went for the 200/200 10 thors push. Got smashed by stephano's ultralisks (epic timing for the ultralisks..).. Byun... ZvT / Tal Darim Stephano won. EPIC HEAVY MACRO GAME. Waw...Classic stephano style mutaless/banelingless. Alice 144th GM ZvP / Tal Darim Stephano lost. Stephano's word : "Bad engagement  'aLivefOu 1st of his Master league ZvZ / Metalopolis Stephano won. Alive went mutas, stephano was surprised and went "fuck it, let's make moar roachs". Splited his roachs everywhere, destroyed the third, the nat, had some roachs in the main. Alive gg out. 아이유 (sage) 1st of his Master league ZvP / Metalopolis. Stephano won. It was a lost game tbh.. Stephano : "You should have won this game". 아이유 (sage) 1st of his Master league ZvP / Shakuras Plateau. Rematch. Stephano won. After a 3-pylon block from Sage.. 아이유 (sage) 1st of his Master league ZvP / Tal Darim. 3rd match. Stephano lost. He was doing well. (19 BL and Infestors). But archon toilet happened, lost everything in like 2 seconds. gg's out and good night. At the end of the session : Stephano's rank : http://www.sc2ranks.com/kr/3282599/DreAm 28th. GM korea : http://www.sc2ranks.com/div/195936/grandmaster#rank:1 I think Stephano is really improving here, and that's a good thing. He makes less mistake, he gained about 100 APM, etc.. I don't think he's going to get far in the Blizzard Cup though, since he is going to face literally the best players in the world. | ||
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