Everyone at compLexity Gaming is thrilled to announce that we have added world-class StarCraft 2 star Johan "Naniwa" Lucchesi to coL.SC2.
Dignitas owner Michael O`Dell has released Johan from the remainder of his contract and allowed him to sign with us today. Mr. O`Dell stated, "Team Dignitas chose not to re-sign Naniwa because we feel he no longer fits into our team. We have released him and wish him the best in the future."
"Naniwa has proven himself to be one of the best StarCraft 2 players in the world," stated Jason Lake, CEO of compLexity Gaming. "We have spent the past couple weeks in long discussions with him and we're confident his amazing dedication and work ethic will reap great rewards in the future. We're very excited to have him join our organization."
For the foreseeable future Johan will reside in the Team MVP house in Korea.
JUST Heard this from Live On Three. AMAZING Pick up......and according to Jason Bass the original plan was to pick up Stephano AND Naniwa. Regardless congrats
Guessing the salary wasn't extremely high given he wasn't actively sought to be resigned by Dignitas... Still - big move, interesting! Let's see Naniwa in the MVP house!
damnnn, coL goes from a just solid NA team a few months ago, and now, after the root additions and naniwa, they're one of the top foreign teams. Im impressed
the korean team house is the perfect enviroment for naniwa. hes a practice beast! i get nerdchills when thinking about what monster he can become there! probably the best pickup this year so far, even better than EG picking up Puma.
Wow I was surprised dignities released him when they have so many embers in Korea and now this? Congrats complexity, and here's to hoping they start to have a more foreign presence in the GSL as well
On September 22 2011 08:40 Cheeseypoofs wrote: Wow I was surprised dignities released him when they have so many embers in Korea and now this? Congrats complexity, and here's to hoping they start to have a more foreign presence in the GSL as well
Naniwa is tough to handle, they talked about it on SOTG and on LO3. I think Dignitas just got tired of the player issues.
Very cool, this is a great pickup for both Naniwa and Col, having a cooperation with a team in Korea is really becoming a huge draw to bring in talented players to a team.
Saw this coming. Naniwa is seizing the opportunity that Stephano should have which is the opportunity to live and practice with team MVP. Congrats to Naniwa!!
Well, I would say it is not that surprising. From what FXOBoss said that his income could only be paid by a big team, and the only big team that has a collaboration in Korea is coL. Also because of Stephano's case, they should have enough budget to sign a big name like Naniwa.
On September 22 2011 08:46 darthfoley wrote: meh, really not a fan of coL. They're like EG in terms of buying players (more moneyz than anyone else) except i like EG.
double standards, come at me.
double standard is 95% of TL posters. so youre good.
congrats to naniwa, no surprise here. a team that can pay him, fly him out, and house him in korean. hopefully its a win win for everyone.
It's clear that Complexity have the right ideas moving forward in SC2. The level of professionalism and ambition are quite hard to find anywhere else. I am really impressed by them. Congratulations to both parties, he's worth every penny as a player and NaNi will be absolutely godlike training in Korea.
On September 22 2011 08:47 Veldril wrote: Well, I would say it is not that surprising. From what FXOBoss said that his income could only be paid by a big team, and the only big team that has a collaboration in Korea is coL. Also because of Stephano's case, they should have enough budget to sign a big name like Naniwa.
Apparently, they were going to sign both, Naniwa and Stephano if i heard right. (someone can confirm, Jason Bass talking about this on Lo3)
On September 22 2011 08:40 Cheeseypoofs wrote: Wow I was surprised dignities released him when they have so many embers in Korea and now this? Congrats complexity, and here's to hoping they start to have a more foreign presence in the GSL as well
Naniwa is tough to handle, they talked about it on SOTG and on LO3. I think Dignitas just got tired of the player issues.
I'm actually interested in hearing more about this. I remember that someone said Nani got in a arguement with Select in one of the MLGs. I guess it is behind the scene though, but on Sotg it was weird that no one really was surprised by it.
On September 22 2011 08:47 Veldril wrote: Well, I would say it is not that surprising. From what FXOBoss said that his income could only be paid by a big team, and the only big team that has a collaboration in Korea is coL. Also because of Stephano's case, they should have enough budget to sign a big name like Naniwa.
Apparently, they were going to sign both, Naniwa and Stephano if i heard right. (someone can confirm, Jason Bass talking about this on Lo3)
On September 22 2011 08:47 Veldril wrote: Well, I would say it is not that surprising. From what FXOBoss said that his income could only be paid by a big team, and the only big team that has a collaboration in Korea is coL. Also because of Stephano's case, they should have enough budget to sign a big name like Naniwa.
Apparently, they were going to sign both, Naniwa and Stephano if i heard right. (someone can confirm, Jason Bass talking about this on Lo3)
i still think its still going to be a while before koreans are fully commited to taking on foreigners in their teams, I think the col mvp coalition is going to be even stronger having naniwa <3
On September 22 2011 08:40 Cheeseypoofs wrote: Wow I was surprised dignities released him when they have so many embers in Korea and now this? Congrats complexity, and here's to hoping they start to have a more foreign presence in the GSL as well
Naniwa is tough to handle, they talked about it on SOTG and on LO3. I think Dignitas just got tired of the player issues.
I'm actually interested in hearing more about this. I remember that someone said Nani got in a arguement with Select in one of the MLGs. I guess it is behind the scene though, but on Sotg it was weird that no one really was surprised by it.
Grats to Nani and coL!
Dont think any details have been leaked, but the main problem is definitely the internal stuff. Naniwa has quietly been on quite a few teams (someone said 6) the past few months.
On September 22 2011 08:47 Veldril wrote: Well, I would say it is not that surprising. From what FXOBoss said that his income could only be paid by a big team, and the only big team that has a collaboration in Korea is coL. Also because of Stephano's case, they should have enough budget to sign a big name like Naniwa.
Apparently, they were going to sign both, Naniwa and Stephano if i heard right. (someone can confirm, Jason Bass talking about this on Lo3)
Yes, we would have had both.
Thanks for the confirmation, means that i heard right! Well congrats on the pick up!
Aww happy for Naniwa but now once again Sase is left as the lone teamless foreigner brotoss in Korea. I hope Nani is happy in his new home and in a few months he becomes and unstoppable monster ^-^.
Having been part of both organisations at some point, I think Naniwa fits coL's mentality more than Dignitas'. I'm also obviously quite glad he moves from one favorite organisation to another
On September 22 2011 08:54 Sansai wrote: I am terribly sorry for naniwa, would have loved to see him in a real TOP team,
people need to really think before they post. naniwa IS on a top team in addition to practicing with a top korean team. i honestly don't see how it could get better for him
it was either gonna be complexity (cause of MVP house) or liquid (cause of oGs house)
foreign FXO is malasya based and not quite there yet (fOu aside), and Naniwa is obviously serious about Korea so i applaud him for his bravery and determination. i dont think money played huge role in this, naniwa is not huk, i think he would've went with nonames if they had parners in korea lol
either way, props to naniwa for the sacrifice, may he reap the rewards very soon
On September 22 2011 08:46 darthfoley wrote: meh, really not a fan of coL. They're like EG in terms of buying players (more moneyz than anyone else) except i like EG.
double standards, come at me.
double standard is 95% of TL posters. so youre good.
congrats to naniwa, no surprise here. a team that can pay him, fly him out, and house him in korean. hopefully its a win win for everyone.
I think it's a balancing act at this point, I once accused FXO of being like the Yankees of eSport when they purchased Fou and later adjusted that statement to EG after their rapid purchases of Puma and Huk but at this point I've realized that it certainly isn't true for the former and not really true for the latter either. EG buys it's big hitters but it's still attempting to build up some of their older players as well.
At this point, I don't think it really matters as long as a team doesn't ditch players as soon as their results fluctuate or drop which none of the big teams have really done so everyone is pretty much in the clear. Don't want to derail though.
Figured if he was joining any non korean team it would be col as they have a great partnership with MVP house. I knew naniwa wanted to stay in korea and this was probably the biggest bonus to sign for col. As a col member he will certainly be required to play in big NA/US events but he can stay in korea to train and become a boss.
nice outcome as a naniwa fan, I just wish I liked the rest of the col roster. :/
On September 22 2011 08:59 snailz wrote: it was either gonna be complexity (cause of MVP house) or liquid (cause of oGs house)
foreign FXO is malasya based and not quite there yet (fOu aside), and Naniwa is obviously serious about Korea so i applaud him for his bravery and determination. i dont think money played huge role in this, naniwa is not huk, i think he would've went with sixjax if they had parners in korea lol
either way, props to naniwa for the sacrifice, may he reap the rewards very soon
He is the only guy I have heard express that, he doesnt like the "loose" training schedule of TL. No, man, I wonna sleep in bunk with 10 other guys in the room, and have strict forced 10-12 hours a day training.
On September 22 2011 08:54 Sansai wrote: I am terribly sorry for naniwa, would have loved to see him in a real TOP team,
people need to really think before they post. naniwa IS on a top team in addition to practicing with a top korean team. i honestly don't see how it could get better for him
practicing with mvp is quite good, no doubt
but seeing "coL"(in the meaning of complexity's roster shown on their page) as top - sry man, maybe in the us - but from a worldwide perspective it is mediocre at best
I NEVER saw this coming, this is an excellent pickup for complexity gaming! Hopefully Naniwa will help them post some more good results in coming tournaments!
On September 22 2011 08:54 Sansai wrote: I am terribly sorry for naniwa, would have loved to see him in a real TOP team,
people need to really think before they post. naniwa IS on a top team in addition to practicing with a top korean team. i honestly don't see how it could get better for him
practicing with mvp is quite good, no doubt
but seeing "coL"(in the meaning of complexity's roster shown on their page) as top - sry man, maybe in the us - but from a worldwide perspective it is mediocre at best
lol, yes because SC2 is quite the team game. Complexity is a "TOP" team because they can not only afford to pay their players well, but they also have a practice house set up for them with other players of tremendous talent.
On September 22 2011 08:59 snailz wrote: it was either gonna be complexity (cause of MVP house) or liquid (cause of oGs house)
foreign FXO is malasya based and not quite there yet (fOu aside), and Naniwa is obviously serious about Korea so i applaud him for his bravery and determination. i dont think money played huge role in this, naniwa is not huk, i think he would've went with sixjax if they had parners in korea lol
either way, props to naniwa for the sacrifice, may he reap the rewards very soon
He is the only guy I have heard express that, he doesnt like the "loose" training schedule of TL. No, man, I wonna sleep in bunk with 10 other guys in the room, and have strict forced 10-12 hours a day training.
Holy fuck, talk about dedication
hehe
yeah, he's kinda first foreigner in a while to say "fuck everything im staying in korea till i get insane good" and its kinda depressing (foreigner dedication that is). he made this decision purely because of korean training house (MVP) that coL will provide him to stay in, so i really dont understand people saying that coL is not his caliber and/or that cruncher and complexity guys will get better... no they wont, he's in korea, coL is not, so he might as well joined MVP, considering
this way he gets flown out to big tourneys and does korean training at the same time. its brilliant.
On September 22 2011 08:33 adeptz wrote: what does "...no longer fits into our team" even mean? In what way?
Solid pickup by Complexity! The dude needs to work on his PvZ though..
I'm guessing they wanted him to represent them at international tourneys, but he wanted to stay in Korea to train and become a better SC2 player, which would be much more difficult if he were jet-setting from this tourney to that and back again. This is purely speculation, but seems logical.
HOLY SHIT. Good luck to the both of them. I did not think that compLexity had this much money after the death of CGS. Nice to see that their status from the Counter-Strike days still lives.
On September 22 2011 08:32 mrKamiya wrote: Holy unexpected O.o
Hmmmm not really. It was made public about a week ago that dignitas wouldn't be resigining him because he already stated that he wanted to leave. So they used those funds that would have been used to re-sign nani to sign Sase.
On September 22 2011 08:32 leungwk01 wrote: Heard on Lo3 Naniwa is going to do well. DRG + naniwa and keen etc I was expecting this since he said he was going to MVP to train.
On September 22 2011 08:32 mrKamiya wrote: Holy unexpected O.o
Hmmmm not really. It was made public about a week ago that dignitas wouldn't be resigining him because he already stated that he wanted to leave. So they used those funds that would have been used to re-sign nani to sign Sase.
I don't understand. It was made public just 30 hours ago. Dignitas didnt sign Sase. And why should all that make coL not an unexpected choice for Nani?
I think coL was most likely team for Nani, since he was already in the MVP house and wants to stay in Korea.
Complexity needs to stop making huge news. It seems like every time I open TL my mind gets blown. I don't know how much longer I can take it. Joking aside, good luck Naniwa!
Great move for Complexity and Naniwa. He clearly wants to put in the work required to get better, and Complexity has the resources to help him. He's already a damn good player too, so just think what a few months of practice with DRG, Genius, sC, etc
Noo, my dream of seeing IMNaniwa was just crushed! Of course, it isn't my dream that is supposed to be fullfilled by this so if Naniwa is happy, good stuff. I guess like people have mentioned coL was the only team who could pay his salary. MVP isn't bad, but still if he only went for skill I'd say there were better options, but colMVP seems to provide money, good practice environment and the possibility to compete outside of Korea so I guess it was the best choice for him atm.
Anway, gl hope Naniwa fits in with the rest of the team, has a lot of fun and does really well in Korea.
Wow CoL is starting to really up their line-up. I wonder if the Stephano deal didn't go south if they still would have picked up Naniwa but good pickup and i wish Nani the best.
On September 22 2011 09:38 QurtStarcraft wrote: Wow CoL is starting to really up their line-up. I wonder if the Stephano deal didn't go south if they still would have picked up Naniwa but good pickup and i wish Nani the best.
Col is 100% stepping up , i remember when i had never even heard of Col and the biggest player i knew of was cruncher, Col is making a bid to be one of the big boys including the korean teams
Sick, gogo Naniwa! Didn't see this coming though, I thought Naniwa was going to be picked up by a korean team. CompLexity always seems to be in the action, how many more players can they fit on their roster? haha
Hoh. If Naniwa is so dedicated maybe he should try to qualify for Code A like a man instead of wasting spots left and right by abusing the MLG invite system.
On September 22 2011 09:54 Windmill wrote: Hoh. If Naniwa is so dedicated maybe he should try to qualify for Code A like a man instead of wasting spots left and right by abusing the MLG invite system.
On September 22 2011 09:54 Windmill wrote: Hoh. If Naniwa is so dedicated maybe he should try to qualify for Code A like a man instead of wasting spots left and right by abusing the MLG invite system.
On September 22 2011 09:54 Windmill wrote: Hoh. If Naniwa is so dedicated maybe he should try to qualify for Code A like a man instead of wasting spots left and right by abusing the MLG invite system.
Please just go away. You have a point, but he didnt abuse anything and out of most of the foreigners I would rather him get it because he is probably the top foreigner toss.
On September 22 2011 09:54 Windmill wrote: Hoh. If Naniwa is so dedicated maybe he should try to qualify for Code A like a man instead of wasting spots left and right by abusing the MLG invite system.
I really wanna say: GTFO
You can say whatever you want. I don't care in the least.
Go Nani!! BFF DRG AND SC! You are my MVP trio and I can now SOLIDIFY my MVP love that I have been leaning towards.. needed an sc2 team to really commit to.. and I think I've got it now!
Five months back, everyone was ABSOLUTELY hating on complexity. Now what makes people like complexity...? It makes no sense. Bandwagoners just switched their wagons i suppose.
It makes sense that Col would pick him up, since they apparently had the budget to pay stephano to be one of the better paid players out there, and they just had that portion of their budget freed...
On September 22 2011 10:19 birdkicker wrote: absolutely sickening in my eyes...
Five months back, everyone was ABSOLUTELY hating on complexity. Now what makes people like complexity...? It makes no sense. Bandwagoners just switched their wagons i suppose.
On September 22 2011 09:54 Windmill wrote: Hoh. If Naniwa is so dedicated maybe he should try to qualify for Code A like a man instead of wasting spots left and right by abusing the MLG invite system.
Please just go away. You have a point, but he didnt abuse anything and out of most of the foreigners I would rather him get it because he is probably the top foreigner toss.
Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
On September 22 2011 10:44 sashamunguia wrote: seems like Col is growing, and getting huge!
A lot of dead weight though. If they want to follow the EG route and sign big names, they should drop some people too. It seems unreasonable to keep 10 comparatively terrible players on your payroll if you're serious about esports. That is, unless they're barely paying everyone else.
On September 22 2011 08:36 amazingxkcd wrote: wow, Naniwa? man, col is stacked now
col has never been close to stacked...
I see what you did there, you tried making a joke gotcha. Pretty sure a foreigner team w/ Catz, Drewbie, Cruncher,and Minigun is pretty stacked as far as foreigner teams go. So please lay off the jokes they're really not that funny.
On September 22 2011 08:36 amazingxkcd wrote: wow, Naniwa? man, col is stacked now
col has never been close to stacked...
I see what you did there, you tried making a joke gotcha. Pretty sure a foreigner team w/ Catz, Drewbie, Cruncher,and Minigun is pretty stacked as far as foreigner teams go. So please lay off the jokes they're really not that funny.
Yeah cus minigun is on nanis level of pla-hahaahahaaha
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
I can see your point and while i agree, this is not the good place to complain about it. Should do that at MLG/GOM with their system.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Well the best players who want to come get seeded.
Not sure what there is to argue with here.. unless you would rather no foreigners got an invite.
On September 22 2011 08:36 amazingxkcd wrote: wow, Naniwa? man, col is stacked now
col has never been close to stacked...
I see what you did there, you tried making a joke gotcha. Pretty sure a foreigner team w/ Catz, Drewbie, Cruncher,and Minigun is pretty stacked as far as foreigner teams go. So please lay off the jokes they're really not that funny.
Yeah cus minigun is on nanis level of pla-hahaahahaaha
Yeah really. Is this guy completely oblivious or does he actually think those coL guys are close to the top?
None of them could ever win a major foreigner tourney, not even when they used to be all foreigners. Hell, only one of those guys was seeded in the early (easy) MLGs.
On September 22 2011 11:11 Dakota69 wrote: Naniwa doesnt fit into your team anymore? Does your team not want to be good anymore? I don't understand..
They didnt want to re-sign him at least that was what jason said on lo3. Whether its a money issue or if it is because dignitas has other plans we dont know.
How can dignitas not be good anymore? Sjow and Select are demolishing korea and they have a great record of supporting their players and sent naniwa to korea despite not being interested in signing him for another year. Naniwa doesnt seem to have anything bad to say about his time with dignitas either so I dont understand what you are trying to stir.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Would you also find it abusive if a korean was invited twice in the MLG pools?
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
You'd have a point if Naniwa wasn't consistently among the top 3 foreigners.
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On September 22 2011 08:36 amazingxkcd wrote: wow, Naniwa? man, col is stacked now
col has never been close to stacked...
I see what you did there, you tried making a joke gotcha. Pretty sure a foreigner team w/ Catz, Drewbie, Cruncher,and Minigun is pretty stacked as far as foreigner teams go. So please lay off the jokes they're really not that funny.
its really sad there are so many haters out there they let there jealousy blind them.. its probably the same people who were writing off players like machine huk tt1 before there rise to fame ..
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Would you also find it abusive if a korean was invited twice in the MLG pools?
Your analogy is flawed as MLG isn't comparable to GSL. Besides, only the champion is guaranteed to be reinvited and all the reinvited Koreans until now had performed very well in their previous run.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
You'd have a point if Naniwa wasn't consistently among the top 3 foreigners.
Yay! This means Nani will still be attending international events with the funds from Complexity. Sick pickup for Complexity, hope they continue to recruit players of this caliber, (they've attempted at Stephano so far). Complexity has been in e-sports scene in a long time, would be disappointing if they don't go anywhere in SC2.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Would you also find it abusive if a korean was invited twice in the MLG pools?
Your analogy is flawed as MLG isn't comparable to GSL. Besides, only the champion is guaranteed to be reinvited and all the reinvited Koreans until now had performed very well in their previous run.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
You'd have a point if Naniwa wasn't consistently among the top 3 foreigners.
Congratulations to Naniwa! This is such an amazing development in his career and I feel that it can only be for the better. Good luck in your future endeavors, naniwa!
Wow, I wondered why Naniwa would leave Dignitas (a better team imo) for Complexity but then I realized because of their partnership he can stay and practice at the MVP house in Korea. So its a good move for him I guess.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Would you also find it abusive if a korean was invited twice in the MLG pools?
Your analogy is flawed as MLG isn't comparable to GSL. Besides, only the champion is guaranteed to be reinvited and all the reinvited Koreans until now had performed very well in their previous run.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
You'd have a point if Naniwa wasn't consistently among the top 3 foreigners.
Not at Raleigh.
Yes he should be ashamed to be so bad to the point of not getting top 3 foreigners in one of the four MLGs he played , NaNi is a sucky protoss he shouldn't be praised for putting his face out in the open and accept the invite to play Code A, why would any good/deserving players play a tournament without a huge prize pool. I mean he had the easy bracket on TSL3, the finals weren't even close, 4-3 was a misleading score. He won MLG Dallas but it had no Koreans, lol who is KiwiKaki?
Oh shit son, naniwa really bolster's the complexity lineup. I wonder who they'll get instead of stephano now. I wonder if they still have the money to recruit another top-class zerg
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Would you also find it abusive if a korean was invited twice in the MLG pools?
Your analogy is flawed as MLG isn't comparable to GSL. Besides, only the champion is guaranteed to be reinvited and all the reinvited Koreans until now had performed very well in their previous run.
On September 22 2011 11:22 Yiska wrote:
On September 22 2011 11:05 Windmill wrote:
On September 22 2011 10:36 normalman wrote:
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
You'd have a point if Naniwa wasn't consistently among the top 3 foreigners.
Not at Raleigh.
Yes he should be ashamed to be so bad to the point of not getting top 3 foreigners in one of the four MLGs he played , NaNi is a sucky protoss he shouldn't be praised for putting his face out in the open and accept the invite to play Code A, why would any good/deserving players play a tournament without a huge prize pool. I mean he had the easy bracket on TSL3, the finals weren't even close, 4-3 was a misleading score. He won MLG Dallas but it had no Koreans, lol who is KiwiKaki?
PS: HE LOST SO SASE LOL. TWICE. LOLOL
Sarcasm overload.
Congrats on the pick-up, good move for Naniwa. Dignitas is still a great team as well.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Would you also find it abusive if a korean was invited twice in the MLG pools?
Your analogy is flawed as MLG isn't comparable to GSL. Besides, only the champion is guaranteed to be reinvited and all the reinvited Koreans until now had performed very well in their previous run.
On September 22 2011 11:22 Yiska wrote:
On September 22 2011 11:05 Windmill wrote:
On September 22 2011 10:36 normalman wrote:
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
You'd have a point if Naniwa wasn't consistently among the top 3 foreigners.
Not at Raleigh.
Yes he should be ashamed to be so bad to the point of not getting top 3 foreigners in one of the four MLGs he played , NaNi is a sucky protoss he shouldn't be praised for putting his face out in the open and accept the invite to play Code A, why would any good/deserving players play a tournament without a huge prize pool. I mean he had the easy bracket on TSL3, the finals weren't even close, 4-3 was a misleading score. He won MLG Dallas but it had no Koreans, lol who is KiwiKaki?
PS: HE LOST SO SASE LOL. TWICE. LOLOL
Sarcasm overload.
Congrats on the pick-up, good move for Naniwa. Dignitas is still a great team as well.
On September 22 2011 10:44 sashamunguia wrote: seems like Col is growing, and getting huge!
A lot of dead weight though. If they want to follow the EG route and sign big names, they should drop some people too. It seems unreasonable to keep 10 comparatively terrible players on your payroll if you're serious about esports. That is, unless they're barely paying everyone else.
They have a pretty solid line-up, I'm glad they're at least giving some of their older roster time to improve instead of dropping them out-right but it did become apparent who their core players were after the ROOT acquisition when clan wars were basically ROOT+Cruncher.
Overall, I think they have a fairly solid line-up, particularly for a North America team with Drewbie, Minigun, Catz, Cruncher, TriMaster and Naniwa. I haven't seen much from Ryze or from RSVP and I don't even know if Ryan players Starcraft 2 seriously anymore so Complexity could use another good Zerg addition. Catz is honestly worth having around for his scouting ability alone, aside from being a pretty good player, his eye for talent was probably what made ROOT the best team in NA during their time.
Guess this was the logically expected development after FXO said they weren't picking him up. Ok with this, but was still hoping for something a little spicier
I believe this is a perfect fit for both Nani and Complexity/MVP. As much as I will miss Naniwa in dignitas i'll look forward to see him develop into a beast in Korea.
Great news to wake up to. Was hoping this would happen when I first read Naniwa and dignitas split up, since he was with drewbie in the MVP house. Grats to coL with an amazing new player, and grats to Naniwa with an awesome new team.
I think this is a smart move for both parties. CoL is one of the few teams that can offer what Naniwa really wants and Naniwa is a very talented player.
when he played I am very happy for Complexity here, considering what happened with Stephano. Naniwa's dedication, and Complexity playing nice in this situation, has resulted in positivity being blessed upon both of them with instant karma.
HUGE pick for Complexity and for Naniwa really, both are gonna get a great deal out of this. Like I said before, if he's staying to train in Korea, I'm happy
Great pick up for coL, coL seems to be willing to invest a lot in their SC2 squad, I don't think they picked up NaNiwA because Stephano didn't come afterall, I believe they want both. I for see a big future for coL.SC2, because I don't believe Nani will be their last pick up.
Complexity is really making a splash investing in all these players. Hopefully they can trim some of the weaker players off their roster and maybe pick up another Korean or foreigner when contracts are up.
On September 22 2011 10:27 Windmill wrote:Accepting two invites in a row is already abuse as far as I'm concerned, and he'll probably keep doing that even though he hasn't won a single game yet denying a spot to a more deserving player every time. As for him being the top foreigner toss - that's just your bias speaking.
Abuse? Lol... He didn't just demand those invites. He WON them... It's part of his PRIZE - it's what happens when a player does well in a tournament, they get prizes. So who is the more deserving player, who would do so much better than Naniwa, even though Naniwa was the player who was highest non GSL player?
How hard is it to "win" an invite when you're seeded in the pools and barely any other foreigners can/want to accept one? Naniwa could almost lose every game and still get one like SelecT who got his for finishing 18th. I'm fine with inviting foreigners that managed to achieve good results to Code A once in a while to counterweight the commitments they need to do to compete in Korea. But inviting the same people over and over again even if they keep failing is just abusive.
Yeah the Koreans really get the short end of the stick. Naniwa plays two Code-A games while the Koreans get free flights to the US to pick up, for them, easy prize money over a weekend. Poor them.
On September 21 2011 05:49 AnxiousHippo wrote: Complexity seems like the most likely choice depending on whether they manage to get Stephano. Otherwise he deserves a Korean team.
Yay! So happy for Naniwa. A huge team that not only can ship him to all important events, but also have connections in Korea to make sure he's able to get the best possible practice. For all I know Complexity pays their players well too. Hopefully this will motivate him and help him through the rough times he seems to be having.
Haha fits in perfect with that conspiracy theory. I wish Naniwa the best of luck with his new team and am hoping that complexity won't be screwed over by a third player.
Gratz Naniwa! He was never my favorit player, but he is very good and belongs to a good team. With the partnership to MVP, coL seems to be the best desicion.
I honestly cannot believe that this happened. This is even a better pickup than Stephano would have been in my honest opinion, just for publicity and tournament consistency. Absolutely wonderful pickup - him and CatZ will for sure be developing some sick new zvp play, I can bet :p
On September 22 2011 08:33 adeptz wrote: what does "...no longer fits into our team" even mean? In what way?
Solid pickup by Complexity! The dude needs to work on his PvZ though..
They mean that Naniwa's attitude was very bad and was not good for the image of the team overall. Atleast that was hinted in yesterday's Live On Three.
On September 22 2011 15:37 gulati wrote: I honestly cannot believe that this happened. This is even a better pickup than Stephano would have been in my honest opinion, just for publicity and tournament consistency. Absolutely wonderful pickup - him and CatZ will for sure be developing some sick new zvp play, I can bet :p
I think it is more him and DRG that could develop the sick zvp play.
Wow, CoL keeps improving! They have the capital to make a super awesome team, I just feel that they are over-filled. They should clean house and keep the stars, as those seem to be a wiser investement
It makes me sad to see NaNi leave the black and yellow But he's one of my favourite players and I'll support him wherever he goes. NANIWERRRRR HWAITINGGG!
On September 22 2011 08:33 adeptz wrote: what does "...no longer fits into our team" even mean? In what way?
Solid pickup by Complexity! The dude needs to work on his PvZ though..
They mean that Naniwa's attitude was very bad and was not good for the image of the team overall. Atleast that was hinted in yesterday's Live On Three.
Uhm, Naniwa's attitude (at least outward) is a thousand times better than when Dignitas signed him in the first place. I'm sure there are reasons we don't know about but I'm pretty sure the "not good for the teams image" is bullshit.
On September 22 2011 08:33 adeptz wrote: what does "...no longer fits into our team" even mean? In what way?
Solid pickup by Complexity! The dude needs to work on his PvZ though..
They mean that Naniwa's attitude was very bad and was not good for the image of the team overall. Atleast that was hinted in yesterday's Live On Three.
Uhm, Naniwa's attitude (at least outward) is a thousand times better than when Dignitas signed him in the first place. I'm sure there are reasons we don't know about but I'm pretty sure the "not good for the teams image" is bullshit.
There have been a lot of rumblings about Naniwa being difficult to handle for Dignitas. This was brought up on the most SotG and with Dignitas not wanting to resign him, it makes sense. Yes Naniwa is much better than he was a year ago, but it seems like he still has some work to do. Hopefully now that he is in Korea like he wants to be, he will be much easier for Complexity to manage.
On September 22 2011 16:13 Talin wrote: Meh, so disappointing.
coL taking up EG's "buy everything" approach, and Nani not opting for a Korean team. -_-
Ummm coL has a lot of undeveloped talent. Sure they pursue big names, but every big team does. I don't get why people don't like when teams try to sign the best players. Should they let their rivals just do it with ease? No. You sign who you can to make your team as best as it can be.
And also, for Naniwa, this is better than signing with just a Korean team. Not only does he have complete access to a Korean team house due to the coL-MVP partnership, but he also will have full support in getting to foreign tournaments, something that would be less likely if he were on a Korean team.
Dignitas owner Michael O`Dell has released Johan from the remainder of his contract and allowed him to sign with us today. Mr. O`Dell stated, "Team Dignitas chose not to re-sign Naniwa because we feel he no longer fits into our team. We have released him and wish him the best in the future."
I just cant help reading between the lines here. Odee is not an idiot he knows Naniwa is a good player and has a healthy amount of followers/fans to let him go so easily must be because of a reason. Dignitas even has sent some of its players to Korea to practice (Sjow,SeleCT,Naniwa) and yet they still part ways with Naniwa....i wonder why.
I just think there must of been a falling out between them or a rift between him and others for it to not work out. Oh well i trust Odee, he has kept Dignitas as the best FIFA team for the past 5 years easily and knows what he is doing.
Not sure if Naniwa fits to Complexity but you could've said the same thing about Stephano. Not sure what other team would have picked him up anyway, just glad that he has one and can continue training in Korea. I hope he is doing well in the MVP house.
On September 22 2011 08:33 adeptz wrote: what does "...no longer fits into our team" even mean? In what way?
Solid pickup by Complexity! The dude needs to work on his PvZ though..
They mean that Naniwa's attitude was very bad and was not good for the image of the team overall. Atleast that was hinted in yesterday's Live On Three.
Uhm, Naniwa's attitude (at least outward) is a thousand times better than when Dignitas signed him in the first place. I'm sure there are reasons we don't know about but I'm pretty sure the "not good for the teams image" is bullshit.
LOL no...no it wasn't...it improved...but it's like saying "idra said 1 less fk in a game"
kinda expected this once he left Diginatas was one of only three teams who would of signed him and after the Stephano incident was going to be likely they would be signing other big players to go to korea!!!
On September 22 2011 08:33 adeptz wrote: what does "...no longer fits into our team" even mean? In what way?
Solid pickup by Complexity! The dude needs to work on his PvZ though..
They mean that Naniwa's attitude was very bad and was not good for the image of the team overall. Atleast that was hinted in yesterday's Live On Three.
Uhm, Naniwa's attitude (at least outward) is a thousand times better than when Dignitas signed him in the first place. I'm sure there are reasons we don't know about but I'm pretty sure the "not good for the teams image" is bullshit.
LOL no...no it wasn't...it improved...but it's like saying "idra said 1 less fk in a game"
If someone wanted to find any faults with Naniwa`s attitude after lets say his TLS3 run I doubt you could find any more bones to pick than average progamer. You say he has improved, more like he has turned it around comletely.
I was gonna say "he's returning to Dignitas tomorrow", but saw there were 22 pages already and I'm pretty sure at least 5 guys as unfunny as me have done it. As for Naniwa, he's my favourite player, and he just got me cheering for MVP in the team league. Hope it works out nicely for him. I'd bet he'll receive both a lucrative contract and a good practicing environment.
Guess this is not such a big surprise and i cant brag by saying "called a when he parted with d"... Anyways, glad for him, guess that's what he wanted: Have a team that can financially support him (even though ppl say he just wants to get better... obv he wants a team who can send him to big events, too) and to live in a (good) korean team house. gratz to both, i guess^^
can not understand dignitas ... but with coL he have a team he can be sure hes able to travel from korea to foreign tournaments and thats importent, still i think dignitas pullover fits him better ^^
On September 22 2011 17:41 CoR wrote: can not understand dignitas ...
Despite their house in Korea, MVP is a better training place for Nani, so I'd guess if he was to stay with Dignitas, he would have required more money than coL are giving him to compensate for that, and I'm pretty sure coL's contract is beyond D's possibilities already
On September 22 2011 08:33 adeptz wrote: what does "...no longer fits into our team" even mean? In what way?
Solid pickup by Complexity! The dude needs to work on his PvZ though..
They mean that Naniwa's attitude was very bad and was not good for the image of the team overall. Atleast that was hinted in yesterday's Live On Three.
Uhm, Naniwa's attitude (at least outward) is a thousand times better than when Dignitas signed him in the first place. I'm sure there are reasons we don't know about but I'm pretty sure the "not good for the teams image" is bullshit.
LOL no...no it wasn't...it improved...but it's like saying "idra said 1 less fk in a game"
Then you haven't followed Naniwa at all the last 4 (ish) months... Your analogy is horrible. Compare how he was before and is now is like night and day. He might have small "diva" moments but other than that it's nothing. Which leads me back to my point, I really doubt it was for "public image" reasons they didn't offer him a contract, as I pointed out he was much worse before they signed him in the first place. Maybe he was horrible behind the scenes, didn't get along with his team mates (if you need some drama reasons), who knows, but outward I bet you can't find much in the last couple of months (or for the most time he's been with dignitas) that warrants your view of him. More likely it was just a money issue of some sort or goal oriented.
Thank God he's training with MVP because otherwise he would be moving from practicing with players like Select and Sjow to practicing with...... wait for it......
DREWBIE LOL
Now he can work on his pvp with genius, his pvz with DRG, and his pvt with the plethora of good MVP terrans. Pretty awesome for him I'd say - and he gets to live in the house which is sick for him financially.
great news, although it seems a little immature to me that dignitas says he doesn't fit with the team anymore, when they probably wanted him to stay and he hasn't had any problems with attitude or anything like that.
I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
On September 22 2011 18:23 Night Eyes wrote: I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
All this aside: Nani fighting!!!!
You are understimating practicing PvP with Genius, PvZ with Donraegu, and PvT with Keen/Noblesse. And the other players. In a korean training environment.
Not really too surprising as Naniwa wanted to stay in Korea. complexity being the only team apart from TL with ties to a korean team means this just makes sense for both parties.
I think it was quite expected, considering the Stephano case as well as Complexity's attempts to cooperate with the Korean scene, that seems to interest Naniwa as well!
On September 22 2011 18:23 Night Eyes wrote: I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
All this aside: Nani fighting!!!!
You are understimating practicing PvP with Genius, PvZ with Donraegu, and PvT with Keen/Noblesse. And the other players. In a korean training environment.
He gains enough.
Genius. Not exactly known as the greatest in PvP. Practicing against somebody like EG'HuK, Liquid'HerO or oGsMC would have been more beneficial for him. He may have beaten Inca in a PvP, but so has MC. And for MC, PvP is EZ PZ. To my knowledge, only two people have actually beaten him in a broadcasted PvP match and that is HuK and NaNiwa.
DongRaeGu. Not exactly known for the best ZvP. His ZvT knowledge and general grasp on the matchup on the other hand would be beneficial for a Terran player. ZvP is probably DRG's achilles' heel as well as his ZvZ. Plus if you wanted a Zerg practice partner out of any Zerg in the world, NesTea would have had to be it for ZvP and ZvZ.
Keen and Noblesse aren't exactly known for the best TvP either. Then again, TvP is in a dire state metagame wise in Korea and NaNi will need all the practice he can get against variations of 111 and bio aggression.
On September 22 2011 18:23 Night Eyes wrote: I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
All this aside: Nani fighting!!!!
You are understimating practicing PvP with Genius, PvZ with Donraegu, and PvT with Keen/Noblesse. And the other players. In a korean training environment.
He gains enough.
Genius. Not exactly known as the greatest in PvP. Practicing against somebody like EG'HuK, Liquid'HerO or oGsMC would have been more beneficial for him
DongRaeGu. Not exactly known for the best ZvP. His ZvT knowledge and general grasp on the matchup on the other hand would be beneficial for a Terran player. ZvP is probably DRG's achilles' heel as well as his ZvZ. Plus if you wanted a Zerg practice partner out of any Zerg in the world, NesTea would have had to be it for ZvP and ZvZ.
Keen and Noblesse aren't exactly known for the best TvP either. Then again, TvP is in a dire state metagame wise in Korea and NaNi will need all the practice he can get against variations of 111 and bio aggression.
They are better than any foreigner anyway. Furthermore, i dont know how that could be worst that go to EG and be alone with Puma and Huk and wihout a zerg.
And there are more good training partners like Monster, Violet, Sniper, Dream, sc, guineapig.
It is a worth it training enviroment. It could be better (oGs, Slayers, IM, etc.) but Naniwa took the right desicion, because he can travel to foreign tournaments with Col/MVP.
On September 22 2011 18:23 Night Eyes wrote: I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
All this aside: Nani fighting!!!!
You are understimating practicing PvP with Genius, PvZ with Donraegu, and PvT with Keen/Noblesse. And the other players. In a korean training environment.
He gains enough.
Genius. Not exactly known as the greatest in PvP. Practicing against somebody like EG'HuK, Liquid'HerO or oGsMC would have been more beneficial for him. He may have beaten Inca in a PvP, but so has MC. And for MC, PvP is EZ PZ. To my knowledge, only two people have actually beaten him in a broadcasted PvP match and that is HuK and NaNiwa.
DongRaeGu. Not exactly known for the best ZvP. His ZvT knowledge and general grasp on the matchup on the other hand would be beneficial for a Terran player. ZvP is probably DRG's achilles' heel as well as his ZvZ. Plus if you wanted a Zerg practice partner out of any Zerg in the world, NesTea would have had to be it for ZvP and ZvZ.
Keen and Noblesse aren't exactly known for the best TvP either. Then again, TvP is in a dire state metagame wise in Korea and NaNi will need all the practice he can get against variations of 111 and bio aggression.
Man, you suck. You honestly sitting there whining about Naniwa having to train with some of the absolute best players in the world? Jesus. The only better house Nani could be training in is with IM.
On September 22 2011 18:23 Night Eyes wrote: I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
All this aside: Nani fighting!!!!
You are understimating practicing PvP with Genius, PvZ with Donraegu, and PvT with Keen/Noblesse. And the other players. In a korean training environment.
He gains enough.
Genius. Not exactly known as the greatest in PvP. Practicing against somebody like EG'HuK, Liquid'HerO or oGsMC would have been more beneficial for him. He may have beaten Inca in a PvP, but so has MC. And for MC, PvP is EZ PZ. To my knowledge, only two people have actually beaten him in a broadcasted PvP match and that is HuK and NaNiwa.
DongRaeGu. Not exactly known for the best ZvP. His ZvT knowledge and general grasp on the matchup on the other hand would be beneficial for a Terran player. ZvP is probably DRG's achilles' heel as well as his ZvZ. Plus if you wanted a Zerg practice partner out of any Zerg in the world, NesTea would have had to be it for ZvP and ZvZ.
Keen and Noblesse aren't exactly known for the best TvP either. Then again, TvP is in a dire state metagame wise in Korea and NaNi will need all the practice he can get against variations of 111 and bio aggression.
Pretty much exactly what I thought when I saw he was going to coL. IM would probably have been a better choice for his skill to improve as much as possible, but at the same time the reason he chose coL was probably because he got a good salary and he can fly to foreign events while still practicing with decent Koreans.
Who knows, maybe the fact that he was in the MVP house already affected his decision as well, hopefully he is getting along with the players really well which could definitely be a factor.
On September 22 2011 08:32 Sandro wrote: Complexity loses Stephano, gets a better and more dedicated player in the end anyway!
I quite disagree with this. Stephano has been improving a lot lately, whereas Naniwa seems to be giving up. It takes little to no resistance for Naniwa to be down on himself. Stephano on the other hand is pushing the limits for what zergs can do. (Watch his games vs. MMA )
its quite cute to read everything written here, i really enjoy the support im getting and i listen to the concerns people think there are. MVP is one of the teams that made it to the GSTL playoffs which should prove that they are a team with many good ppl. and especially DRG. It is true that i have been unmotivated a bit which has shown in my results because of protoss insane downfall the last couple of weeks / months. But with a new patch and new possibilitys and especially with many other protoss players here to talk to about the game im sure my motivation will rise through the roof. I am much better now than when i placed high in homestory cup etc, I just need to play alot more and adjust perfectly to their style here to be more consistent and win more games, Also balance affects quite a lot atm i think we can clearly say that protoss is by far the worst race at the moment.
And while i got your attention, if you wanna beart zerg, go for a double robo 2 base timing push after stargate harass. Ofc you have to tweak it abut depending on the opposition.
Not really surprising at all, good luck to Naniwa with his new team. I do wonder what the Dignitas manager ment by "Naniwa doesn't fit into the team anymore"???
On September 22 2011 19:34 Copenap wrote: Not really surprising at all, good luck to Naniwa with his new team. I do wonder what the Dignitas manager ment by "Naniwa doesn't fit into the team anymore"???
On September 22 2011 08:32 Sandro wrote: Complexity loses Stephano, gets a better and more dedicated player in the end anyway!
I quite disagree with this. Stephano has been improving a lot lately, whereas Naniwa seems to be giving up. It takes little to no resistance for Naniwa to be down on himself. Stephano on the other hand is pushing the limits for what zergs can do. (Watch his games vs. MMA )
Let me tell you one thing, no matter how talented Stephano is, the guy who choses to live in korea, to be the best he can be, living in that practice enviroment, willing to do so for years.. will ALWAYS be better than some guy who just wants to stay in france. Naniwa is a much better pickup.
On September 22 2011 08:32 Sandro wrote: Complexity loses Stephano, gets a better and more dedicated player in the end anyway!
I quite disagree with this. Stephano has been improving a lot lately, whereas Naniwa seems to be giving up. It takes little to no resistance for Naniwa to be down on himself. Stephano on the other hand is pushing the limits for what zergs can do. (Watch his games vs. MMA )
Let me tell you one thing, no matter how talented Stephano is, the guy who choses to live in korea, to be the best he can be, living in that practice enviroment, willing to do so for years.. will ALWAYS be better than some guy who just wants to stay in france. Naniwa is a much better pickup.
That is true. Stephano trhew away his "esports future" staying in France.
I guess thats not a long time... Its Naniwa guys^^ if the environment is not perfect he will be gone soon... and Korea is not the must fun place on earth for a foreigner
On September 22 2011 19:34 Copenap wrote: Not really surprising at all, good luck to Naniwa with his new team. I do wonder what the Dignitas manager ment by "Naniwa doesn't fit into the team anymore"???
he meant, that they are to poor to afford him.
Thats definatley not what they meant. Dignitas could easily afford him. Either it had to with his attitude or it had to do with him wanting to stay in Korea long-term. Nani also stated that he didnt like staying in the Gom house but he wanted to stay in a real pro house with coaches and schedules etc. Dignitas couldn't support him with this since they dont have a deal in korea, and probably arent looking on getting a deal in korea.
holy unexpected? no this was VERY expected lol. i basically said outloud to myself when i heard he got released from dignitas.. " it's either going to be Col.Naniwa or LiquidNaniwa " but i was definatly leaning more toward col
I guess thats not a long time... Its Naniwa guys^^ if the environment is not perfect he will be gone soon... and Korea is not the must fun place on earth for a foreigner
Uhm that has no basis in anything.
Everything Naniwa has said speaks directly to the opposite to what you just wrote. It's not Major we are talking about here.
On September 22 2011 18:23 Night Eyes wrote: I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
All this aside: Nani fighting!!!!
You are understimating practicing PvP with Genius, PvZ with Donraegu, and PvT with Keen/Noblesse. And the other players. In a korean training environment.
He gains enough.
Genius. Not exactly known as the greatest in PvP. Practicing against somebody like EG'HuK, Liquid'HerO or oGsMC would have been more beneficial for him. He may have beaten Inca in a PvP, but so has MC. And for MC, PvP is EZ PZ. To my knowledge, only two people have actually beaten him in a broadcasted PvP match and that is HuK and NaNiwa.
DongRaeGu. Not exactly known for the best ZvP. His ZvT knowledge and general grasp on the matchup on the other hand would be beneficial for a Terran player. ZvP is probably DRG's achilles' heel as well as his ZvZ. Plus if you wanted a Zerg practice partner out of any Zerg in the world, NesTea would have had to be it for ZvP and ZvZ.
Keen and Noblesse aren't exactly known for the best TvP either. Then again, TvP is in a dire state metagame wise in Korea and NaNi will need all the practice he can get against variations of 111 and bio aggression.
lol you are funny, and pretty clueless about korea / the MVP house : )
On September 22 2011 18:23 Night Eyes wrote: I'm happy for Naniwa but I'm sad for Dignitas, they had 3 players in Korea and now one of them left... Apart form the MVP team house I wonder what Naniwa gains form this, money isn't something I'm looking at since I'm sure Dignitas would have payed him well too.
All this aside: Nani fighting!!!!
You are understimating practicing PvP with Genius, PvZ with Donraegu, and PvT with Keen/Noblesse. And the other players. In a korean training environment.
He gains enough.
Genius. Not exactly known as the greatest in PvP. Practicing against somebody like EG'HuK, Liquid'HerO or oGsMC would have been more beneficial for him. He may have beaten Inca in a PvP, but so has MC. And for MC, PvP is EZ PZ. To my knowledge, only two people have actually beaten him in a broadcasted PvP match and that is HuK and NaNiwa.
DongRaeGu. Not exactly known for the best ZvP. His ZvT knowledge and general grasp on the matchup on the other hand would be beneficial for a Terran player. ZvP is probably DRG's achilles' heel as well as his ZvZ. Plus if you wanted a Zerg practice partner out of any Zerg in the world, NesTea would have had to be it for ZvP and ZvZ.
Keen and Noblesse aren't exactly known for the best TvP either. Then again, TvP is in a dire state metagame wise in Korea and NaNi will need all the practice he can get against variations of 111 and bio aggression.
lol you are funny, and pretty clueless about korea / the MVP house : )
yeah, training the the MVP house will be pretty sick for you and Nani <3 Glad for Nani, he had good games yesterday despite the result.
I guess thats not a long time... Its Naniwa guys^^ if the environment is not perfect he will be gone soon... and Korea is not the must fun place on earth for a foreigner
It's not the most fun place for a westerner wussie kid that needs his own room to jerk off, 100sqm place, values "privacy". All of which he never actually uses that much. Things aren't that bad once you realize what you really need and what you do not. Food, roof, some comfort.
coL and EG are always at it for that #1 spot in NA lol, in like every game. Glad to see Nani got a team and man there's going to be a lot of competition between him and HuK.
great pick up for col. and great fit for naniwa, now he can stay a long time in korea and he can practice with great players like DRG, sC, Genius and the other MVP guys, to achieve his goals.
Wow this is a major acquisition for complexity gaming. It is also slightly curious that Dignitas asserted that "Naniwa no longer fit into the team" or whatever the exact wording was. Dignitas picked up Naniwa during his rebellious phase, and they allowed him to mature into a very strong gamer and individual. We have seen this effect in Naniwa's maturation, who is now one of the top competitors in the european scene. I just think that this was a bad move on Dignitas' part because they invested so much into Naniwa when he was a "risky" asset because of his attitude. And then complexity just comes in and sweeps him up now that he is a strong player and he no longer has that "risky" stigma associated with him. Seems like a bad time to drop a major investment on Dignitas' part. Interesting.
Regardless, congratulations to Naniwa and complexity, I am eagerly awaiting some good things out of them.
A bit offtopic, but is DrG and Genius counted as coL-players? I think they are (just as they are MVP-players to) because they use coL's name and jerseys (coL pays travelings), but my friend thinks that they shouldn't be counted to the coL-rooster because they use MVP in their name, personally I think that's BS but am I wrong?
On September 23 2011 00:30 zaihtaM wrote: Awesome for nani, coL is a very good team!
A bit offtopic, but is DrG and Genius counted as coL-players? I think they are (just as they are MVP-players to) because they use coL's name and jerseys (coL pays travelings), but my friend thinks that they shouldn't be counted to the coL-rooster because they use MVP in their name, personally I think that's BS but am I wrong?
By that logic they can't be on MVP in foreign tournaments either because they have coL in their name. Stupidest thing I've ever heard.
On September 22 2011 23:45 cerka wrote: Wow this is a major acquisition for complexity gaming. It is also slightly curious that Dignitas asserted that "Naniwa no longer fit into the team" or whatever the exact wording was. Dignitas picked up Naniwa during his rebellious phase, and they allowed him to mature into a very strong gamer and individual. We have seen this effect in Naniwa's maturation, who is now one of the top competitors in the european scene. I just think that this was a bad move on Dignitas' part because they invested so much into Naniwa when he was a "risky" asset because of his attitude. And then complexity just comes in and sweeps him up now that he is a strong player and he no longer has that "risky" stigma associated with him. Seems like a bad time to drop a major investment on Dignitas' part. Interesting.
Regardless, congratulations to Naniwa and complexity, I am eagerly awaiting some good things out of them.
I just wish that Naniwa had done better in Code A recently
Agree with this. But perhaps it was time to renew his contract, and now he's worth a much better contract than one year ago, which Dignitas didn't want to pay for ? (just speculation) Anyway, I really would like to know the rationale of not keeping Nani for dignitas, looks like a mistake. (or perhaps there was a bidding war between dignitas and col)
Uhhh Complexity's roster list is ridiculous, complexity might be my new favorite gaming team..... Minigun, Naniwa, Catz, Drewbie, DRG... need I go on.....
On September 23 2011 01:16 Dezerved wrote: Uhhh Complexity's roster list is ridiculous, complexity might be my new favorite gaming team..... Minigun, Naniwa, Catz, Drewbie, DRG... need I go on.....
if you happen to like average players, then ya, i can see why you would like this team. truth be told, 95% of this roster has won ZERO significant events. they are only popular due to their streaming accessibility and not talent.
On September 23 2011 01:16 Dezerved wrote: Uhhh Complexity's roster list is ridiculous, complexity might be my new favorite gaming team..... Minigun, Naniwa, Catz, Drewbie, DRG... need I go on.....
if you happen to like average players, then ya, i can see why you would like this team. truth be told, 95% of this roster has won ZERO significant events. they are only popular due to their streaming accessibility and not talent.
MLG Dreamhack aint significant enough? you sir are an idiot
On September 22 2011 23:45 cerka wrote: Wow this is a major acquisition for complexity gaming. It is also slightly curious that Dignitas asserted that "Naniwa no longer fit into the team" or whatever the exact wording was. Dignitas picked up Naniwa during his rebellious phase, and they allowed him to mature into a very strong gamer and individual. We have seen this effect in Naniwa's maturation, who is now one of the top competitors in the european scene. I just think that this was a bad move on Dignitas' part because they invested so much into Naniwa when he was a "risky" asset because of his attitude. And then complexity just comes in and sweeps him up now that he is a strong player and he no longer has that "risky" stigma associated with him. Seems like a bad time to drop a major investment on Dignitas' part. Interesting.
Regardless, congratulations to Naniwa and complexity, I am eagerly awaiting some good things out of them.
I just wish that Naniwa had done better in Code A recently
Agree with this. But perhaps it was time to renew his contract, and now he's worth a much better contract than one year ago, which Dignitas didn't want to pay for ? (just speculation) Anyway, I really would like to know the rationale of not keeping Nani for dignitas, looks like a mistake. (or perhaps there was a bidding war between dignitas and col)
I guess this is true. He wanted more money, but Dignitas' offer was not good enough. So he went to coL. Still like Naniwa
On September 23 2011 01:16 Dezerved wrote: Uhhh Complexity's roster list is ridiculous, complexity might be my new favorite gaming team..... Minigun, Naniwa, Catz, Drewbie, DRG... need I go on.....
if you happen to like average players, then ya, i can see why you would like this team. truth be told, 95% of this roster has won ZERO significant events. they are only popular due to their streaming accessibility and not talent.
MLG Dreamhack aint significant enough? you sir are an idiot
What he surely wanted to say is that from the list of those players only DRG and Naniwa are actually good (as even you confirm it by listing the accomplishments of only these two players). The rest are mediocre players.
On September 23 2011 01:16 Dezerved wrote: Uhhh Complexity's roster list is ridiculous, complexity might be my new favorite gaming team..... Minigun, Naniwa, Catz, Drewbie, DRG... need I go on.....
if you happen to like average players, then ya, i can see why you would like this team. truth be told, 95% of this roster has won ZERO significant events. they are only popular due to their streaming accessibility and not talent.
MLG Dreamhack aint significant enough? you sir are an idiot
What he surely wanted to say is that from the list of those players only DRG and Naniwa are actually good (as even you confirm it by listing the accomplishments of only these two players). The rest are mediocre players.
I Agree, Catz really issnt that good, mediocre at best...
Everyone at compLexity Gaming is thrilled to announce that we have added world-class StarCraft 2 star Johan "Naniwa" Lucchesi to coL.SC2.
Dignitas owner Michael O`Dell has released Johan from the remainder of his contract and allowed him to sign with us today. Mr. O`Dell stated, "Team Dignitas chose not to re-sign Naniwa because we feel he no longer fits into our team. We have released him and wish him the best in the future."
"Naniwa has proven himself to be one of the best StarCraft 2 players in the world," stated Jason Lake, CEO of compLexity Gaming. "We have spent the past couple weeks in long discussions with him and we're confident his amazing dedication and work ethic will reap great rewards in the future. We're very excited to have him join our organization."
For the foreseeable future Johan will reside in the Team MVP house in Korea.
Once Naniwa heard that Stephano was staying in France, Naniwa wanted to back out of the Complexity deal and stay with Dignitas, but Dignitas can't afford to renew his contract anymore because they'd already planned on Naniwa going to coL and has reassigned those funds to acquiring teamless SaSe.
I think dignitas just don't wanna say: "well the guy kinda wants to stay in korea for a long time, and we a) don't feel like flying him to events from korea and b) can't really support him well in korea anyways". So instead you get the usual "he kinda doesn't fit on our team anymore and we like didn't even ask him if he wants to renew his contract with us". At the end of the day the important part is: Naniwa gets to practice with great people in MVP house, which is what he wants anyways, and coL gets a really good foreign protoss.
Im really sad for Dignitas to lose such a player, who grew from a maverick into a top tier talent under their guidance - but I am just happy EG didn't pick him up.
Great pick-up, but not surprised. Pretty sure everyone was guessing he'd be heading to coL.Mvp, the team having cash lying around and a strong foreign presence in Korea..
Great for Naniwa to find a team. Hes proboably better than Stefano from a complexity perspective as well. I say proboably cuz those of us that know of his history know what could have happen. It will be interesting to see how this work out.
Edit: That being said, I wish them good luck and hope they rock GSL etc.
On September 24 2011 04:52 Connor987 wrote: huge signing but i think stephano would have been slightly better just because of how bad toss's are doing atm. we'll have to see though
But considering Naniwa >> Stephano, balance is irrelevant.
ladder means anything? Nope. MVP could log in NA ladder and beat the shit out of everyone with perfect record. Hell he could has a much better record than Stephano on Kr if he take it seriously
ladder means anything? Nope. MVP could log in NA ladder and beat the shit out of everyone with perfect record. Hell he could has a much better record than Stephano on Kr if he take it seriously
that kind of record means something, hell yeah. MVP is the only one who can compete, and he's the best.
ladder means anything? Nope. MVP could log in NA ladder and beat the shit out of everyone with perfect record. Hell he could has a much better record than Stephano on Kr if he take it seriously
that kind of record means something, hell yeah. MVP is the only one who can compete, and he's the best.
Remember meatyowllegs? That was Naniwa and he haid a just as good ladder record.
ladder means anything? Nope. MVP could log in NA ladder and beat the shit out of everyone with perfect record. Hell he could has a much better record than Stephano on Kr if he take it seriously
that kind of record means something, hell yeah. MVP is the only one who can compete, and he's the best.
Remember meatyowllegs? That was Naniwa and he haid a just as good ladder record.
to be fair, that was an account with bad MMR and lots of lots of bonus pool points when he took over it, but yeah, it looked crazy
On September 23 2011 03:53 lightrise wrote: This is just disgusting. Very nice pickup from complexity. Wonder where there large boost of income came from to pick up all these players.
We run an illegal crime ring but if I told you any more I'd have to kill you.
On September 24 2011 22:23 blk_hwk wrote: Man naniwa always changing teams >.< starting to get confusing
Uhm no he doesn't, what are you talking about?
More like, what are you talking about? He is a known clan hopper even from his wc3 days. In sc2 he has been in mTw, SG, MYM, PwG, Empire, Dignitas and now CoL. In Wc3 he was in Wicked, Hoorai, Evo, Fnatic, mTw, fatCap, 3wD, es4x and Idle.
On September 24 2011 22:23 blk_hwk wrote: Man naniwa always changing teams >.< starting to get confusing
Well we're gonna have to tell him to stop doing it so you won't be "confused" anymore lol.
Players aren't obliged to staying in a specific team in order to satisfy some loyalty illusion from the fans. If they stay for an entire contract, which Naniwa has done in this case, I don't mind them going for other oppurtunities.
On September 24 2011 22:23 blk_hwk wrote: Man naniwa always changing teams >.< starting to get confusing
Uhm no he doesn't, what are you talking about?
More like, what are you talking about? He is a known clan hopper even from his wc3 days. In sc2 he has been in mTw, SG, MYM, PwG, Empire, Dignitas and now CoL. In Wc3 he was in Wicked, Hoorai, Evo, Fnatic, mTw, fatCap, 3wD, es4x and Idle.
So next time think before you post.
How about you think before you post? He was in dignitas for how long? Do we remember him in any other jersey? And also who cares about changing clans? If it isn't working out shouldn't you try to improve the situation both for the clan and specific player?
On September 24 2011 22:23 blk_hwk wrote: Man naniwa always changing teams >.< starting to get confusing
Uhm no he doesn't, what are you talking about?
More like, what are you talking about? He is a known clan hopper even from his wc3 days. In sc2 he has been in mTw, SG, MYM, PwG, Empire, Dignitas and now CoL. In Wc3 he was in Wicked, Hoorai, Evo, Fnatic, mTw, fatCap, 3wD, es4x and Idle.
So next time think before you post.
He served out the entireity of the his Dignitas contract. You think before you drudge up someone's past that he's clearly stepped away from.
On September 23 2011 03:53 lightrise wrote: This is just disgusting. Very nice pickup from complexity. Wonder where there large boost of income came from to pick up all these players.
they were the most finacially successful cs team in north america for a while??
On September 23 2011 03:53 lightrise wrote: This is just disgusting. Very nice pickup from complexity. Wonder where there large boost of income came from to pick up all these players.
they were the most finacially successful cs team in north america for a while??
On September 23 2011 03:53 lightrise wrote: This is just disgusting. Very nice pickup from complexity. Wonder where there large boost of income came from to pick up all these players.
they were the most finacially successful cs team in north america for a while??
On September 23 2011 03:53 lightrise wrote: This is just disgusting. Very nice pickup from complexity. Wonder where there large boost of income came from to pick up all these players.
they were the most finacially successful cs team in north america for a while??
Aren't they still?
well they dont have a cs team
but yes.
Oh shit. Really? I tried to find out who were the top teams for 1.6 and cs: source, but I have no idea where to look: ESEA?
On September 23 2011 03:53 lightrise wrote: This is just disgusting. Very nice pickup from complexity. Wonder where there large boost of income came from to pick up all these players.
they were the most finacially successful cs team in north america for a while??
Aren't they still?
well they dont have a cs team
but yes.
Oh shit. Really? I tried to find out who were the top teams for 1.6 and cs: source, but I have no idea where to look: ESEA?
they dont have 1.6 team any more EG stole them thus the start of the coL EG rivalry
On September 23 2011 03:53 lightrise wrote: This is just disgusting. Very nice pickup from complexity. Wonder where there large boost of income came from to pick up all these players.
they were the most finacially successful cs team in north america for a while??
Aren't they still?
well they dont have a cs team
but yes.
Oh shit. Really? I tried to find out who were the top teams for 1.6 and cs: source, but I have no idea where to look: ESEA?
they dont have 1.6 team any more EG stole them thus the start of the coL EG rivalry
On September 25 2011 13:37 AudionovA wrote: Wow, there is alot of team hopping going on nowadays. I hope he continues to do well in coL.
The one year anniversary for SC2's release passed recently. Many of the top pros signed their contract this time last year and many need to be renewed, so some chose not to and went for a better offer elsewhere.
On September 26 2011 15:37 grandkai wrote: Didnt Naniwa only join complexity because he thought stephano was going to be joining?
How does that make any sense? The foreigner world is completely irrelevant to NaNiwa now, I'm pretty sure he only cares about two things when it comes to a team:
1) Korea 2) money
and compLexity has both.
Teammates don't really matter that much if you're not in a team house.
On September 26 2011 15:37 grandkai wrote: Didnt Naniwa only join complexity because he thought stephano was going to be joining?
How does that make any sense? The foreigner world is completely irrelevant to NaNiwa now, I'm pretty sure he only cares about two things when it comes to a team:
1) Korea 2) money
and compLexity has both.
Teammates don't really matter that much if you're not in a team house.
On September 26 2011 15:37 grandkai wrote: Didnt Naniwa only join complexity because he thought stephano was going to be joining?
How does that make any sense? The foreigner world is completely irrelevant to NaNiwa now, I'm pretty sure he only cares about two things when it comes to a team:
1) Korea 2) money
and compLexity has both.
Teammates don't really matter that much if you're not in a team house.
yes, watch some of his interviews, he wants to be 1st in every tourney he competes in and the team what gives him the best practice facilities is col atm. he doesnt care if stephano is on that team or not.
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