On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live?
By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game.
Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous.
when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story
On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time.
Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation.
actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again.
On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:
On September 21 2011 21:45 flipstar wrote: I hope he fails horribly as I truely dislike his character.
Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks
No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character.
Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance.
Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him.
This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year.
there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to.
so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect
k
i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself.
majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word.
and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job
on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him].
he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven.
but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly.
He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money.
None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it.
What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this?
On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live?
By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game.
Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous.
when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story
On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time.
Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation.
actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again.
On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote: [quote]
Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks
No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character.
Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance.
Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him.
This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year.
there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to.
so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect
k
i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself.
majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word.
and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job
on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him].
and idra and destiny does tons of bm actions to people and everyone loves them. slamming headsets and calling people derogatory names. 15k viewers they love bm.
yeah but they dont cheat in official tournaments. they dont BM the people hosting those events after being caught. they dont cause trouble to the people around them. I highly doubt Idra treats the EG clan badly. In fact, Ive heard that their BM reputation is only a product of their in-game reactions to losses and that theyre actually really nice in real life. Majors immaturity extends outside to the real world
I also wouldnt say everyone loves them either. a lot of people hate on Idra and Destiny for those two things.
your one of those types that just like to try and hurt and bring people down because you yourself is not as successful as you want to be, so you find it better to try an dbring others down. Reminds of ppl who watch E entertainment and read tabloids and try to bash celebs.
Major is going to tsl, and he probably gonna get good results. wether you like it or not you contine on your sharade and try to tear major down but your not gonna get anything done. Your just wasting your own life away.
Wow, internet psychologist here. Lol, I cant believe you love Major so much that you try to psychoanalyze someone based on 1 post on an internet forum.
Let me tell you something about myself that actually is true. I absolutely HATE assholes, especially the ones who feel entitled. Major is a great player, but from everything ive heard (and I have yet to hear those claims disputed) he is a completely immature asshole. Not only does he piss off the people around him by being a dick, he thinks that he can get away with it merely because hes great at SC2. There is never an excuse for being an ass, I dont care how famous, rich, or good at something you are.
On September 23 2011 08:39 P0ckets wrote: Major is still being named as part of TSL all over the US streams. It is pretty fun if he isn't part of it cause most viewers would think so.
Are you saying that he is just practicing with the team and no officially a member of TSL? I haven't checked this thread in a few days and I did notice that that the thread title changed to "major practices in the TSL house." The OP still says that he is a member of TSL?
A little confused is Major a part of the team or just practicing there?
I’ve had a chance to talk with TSL’s coach Lee regarding Major.
Major, as far as they are concerned, is a part of the team — as they eat, practice, and live together, they are a team. However, Major has not signed a contract with TSL, and currently TSL has no plans on binding him to TSL.
Major will be at TSL house until Blizzcon this October.
On September 23 2011 03:39 QTIP. wrote: Can't resist:
Artosis' relationship with MajOr is like Qui-Gon / Obi-wan with Anakin Skywalker.
Huge potential. But clearly something wrong with him.
No legs? (mind would be blown)
So your saying that major is going to try to kill artosis and artosis is going to cut majors legs off?
Needs to be streamed either way. Major and Artosis fighting to the death.
but back in topic. It looks like major is on the team but in law. He can join another team no problesm cause TSL didn't contract him. Sounds like this won't last long. I don't see him going back after blizzcon tbh.
Thats good for him. I have to have respect for a guy to just jump in on something like this. I hope TSL also becomes good friends with Major so they can bring out the best in Major as a person.
On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live?
By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game.
Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous.
when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story
On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time.
Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation.
actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again.
On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:
On September 21 2011 21:45 flipstar wrote: I hope he fails horribly as I truely dislike his character.
Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks
No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character.
Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance.
Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him.
This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year.
there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to.
so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect
k
i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself.
majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word.
and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job
on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him].
he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven.
but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly.
he didn't bring up a legit example at all, he smurfed it after knowing he can't join it, specifically asking the organizers. Does it matter if the rules were even fair or not? No, the organiser set the rules, if he can't join, he can't.
unfairly harsh? in his defence, he got exposed by the very same person that lend him his account. He was told NOT to use it to join this tournament which he did. what's next? he didn't take the acc lender person seriously?
I'm not sure how to interpret that beyond TSL giving him a trail run to see how this pans out.
Didn't TSL release their player salaries in the past and they were all pretty substantial? I wouldn't see them throwing 30k and a one year commitment to a question mark like Major, nor would I understand them bringing him all the way to Korea and putting up his room and board if they didn't have any interest in him.
I'm not sure how the money works for these team houses though(HuK still staying with oGs?), so I could be completely wrong.
I think coach Lee is making a good decision by taking his time with Major before he makes any decision on whether to invite him or not, considering the fiasco TSL has had this past year.
I can definitely see MajOr doing well at Blizzcon with all the practice he's getting there, though.
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