On September 26 2011 13:14 kazie wrote: artosis thinks he is a good guy. now we can all stop arguing
No he thinks hes a good player.
I sincerely doubt you know what's going through Dan's mind. but thanks for letting the community know what you think his opinion is.
I admit I was in a bad mood when I wrote that. Should have written it differently. To rephrase its been well known that the reason Artosis wants to send Major to Korea is not because he is a good person but because he is a good player. So in the end what kazie said doesn't matter if he thinks Major is a good person or not because that is not why Artosis tried so hard to get him to Korea all this time. Its because he thinks hes good regardless of all the troubles that follow with him. The whole reason for all the arguments in the thread is because of this. I will not claim to know what is going on in Artosis's mind and of all people he knows best that hes taking a big risk sending Major to Korea and vouching for him.
I doubt he would go far for someone he didn't like
On September 26 2011 13:14 kazie wrote: artosis thinks he is a good guy. now we can all stop arguing
No he thinks hes a good player.
I sincerely doubt you know what's going through Dan's mind. but thanks for letting the community know what you think his opinion is.
I admit I was in a bad mood when I wrote that. Should have written it differently. To rephrase its been well known that the reason Artosis wants to send Major to Korea is not because he is a good person but because he is a good player. So in the end what kazie said doesn't matter if he thinks Major is a good person or not because that is not why Artosis tried so hard to get him to Korea all this time. Its because he thinks hes good regardless of all the troubles that follow with him. The whole reason for all the arguments in the thread is because of this. I will not claim to know what is going on in Artosis's mind and of all people he knows best that hes taking a big risk sending Major to Korea and vouching for him.
Artosis thinks Major resembles his younger , more immature self. He has said this multiple times. So Artosis probably thinks deep down Major is a nice guy ( aside from being a good player)
Well, so far so good for Major, albeit it's only been a week. I do think he will be more serious seeing as he's in a foreign country with a foreign team that is hosting him. Hopefully that good team behavior becomes a habit.
On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live?
By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game.
Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous.
when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story
On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:
On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote: i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time.
Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation.
actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again.
On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:
On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote: [quote]
Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks
No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character.
Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance.
Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him.
This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year.
there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to.
so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect
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i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself.
majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word.
and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job
on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him].
he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven.
but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly.
He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money.
None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it.
What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this?
many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community
By that logic, we'll forgive him when sc3 comes out =]
On September 27 2011 05:53 Joey Wheeler wrote: ok so
he hopped a few teams he had a fight with an admin about some online SEA tourney
then you regularly have pros like Spades talk bad and no one cares. You shouldn't care, so why would you for Major who's better than many people when it comes to manner.
Did you just put cheating a tournament when said before he was not allowed on the same lvl as talking bad? Really?
On September 28 2011 20:07 snotboogie wrote: In the newest episode, Terran states he plays 45-60 games a day.
WHAT?! That's some dedication right there. That's the reason he will beast up the scene.
Yes, this is why he's a good fit for Korean progaming. Forget all the other stupid bullshit in this thread really, cause he's young, practices as hard as any foreigner and has already shown great potential in the past. If i was to pick 2 foreigners for a Korean based team it would be him and Kolll (no longer active in SC2). They are the best fit simply... while a lot of the community liked players are not a good fit at all and will never settle in Korea.
On September 28 2011 20:07 snotboogie wrote: In the newest episode, Terran states he plays 45-60 games a day.
WHAT?! That's some dedication right there. That's the reason he will beast up the scene.
Yeah, its really impressive and I love the dedication, but... he needs to find a good sleeping schedule and need to get into a reasonably healthy rhythm.. otherwise he will burn out or worse, have health issues.
On September 28 2011 20:07 snotboogie wrote: In the newest episode, Terran states he plays 45-60 games a day.
WHAT?! That's some dedication right there. That's the reason he will beast up the scene.
Yeah, its really impressive and I love the dedication, but... he needs to find a good sleeping schedule and need to get into a reasonably healthy rhythm.. otherwise he will burn out or worse, have health issues.
I don't think he's not sleeping deliberately, he's just having difficulty adjusting to a new surrounding. I'm sure he'll get a decent sleep schedule over time.
On September 28 2011 20:07 snotboogie wrote: In the newest episode, Terran states he plays 45-60 games a day.
WHAT?! That's some dedication right there. That's the reason he will beast up the scene.
Yes, this is why he's a good fit for Korean progaming. Forget all the other stupid bullshit in this thread really, cause he's young, practices as hard as any foreigner and has already shown great potential in the past. If i was to pick 2 foreigners for a Korean based team it would be him and Kolll (no longer active in SC2). They are the best fit simply... while a lot of the community liked players are not a good fit at all and will never settle in Korea.
I can agree that he is a perfect fit for the gaming environment in Korea. We know this is what he was looking for and it fits...
It's just the fact he is socially retarded, which has held him back in the foreign scene. I think the language barrier will help since both him and his teammates will build rapport simply by learning each others languages and about each other. Hopefully this fits for both parties.
I don't like the kid much obviously but I think he is gonna turn a lot of heads in a month or two. As long as he doesn't start acting like a goofball.
On September 28 2011 22:19 Uncultured wrote: Wow. Every video I watch I'm become bigger and bigger fans of Coach Lee, Sang-Ho, Terran, And TSL in general. A really amazing team.
Can't believe how much Terran is practicing. And it's really impressive how many good things all of the other members of TSL have to say about him.
Yep, Terran actually looked really comfortable there, and I've seen a number of interviews with him where he just seems nervous and unhappy about current things. He seemed really relaxed and I wish him all the best there
On September 28 2011 22:19 Uncultured wrote: Wow. Every video I watch I'm become bigger and bigger fans of Coach Lee, Sang-Ho, Terran, And TSL in general. A really amazing team.
watch the hyung joon becomes a progamer series. Coach Lee is a cool coach in that. Really showed he had more respect for the players and worked hard for them, compared to the other coach. Granted it was tv, but still. Coach Lee is awesome.
On September 28 2011 22:19 Uncultured wrote: Wow. Every video I watch I'm become bigger and bigger fans of Coach Lee, Sang-Ho, Terran, And TSL in general. A really amazing team.
Can't believe how much Terran is practising. And it's really impressive how many good things all of the other members of TSL have to say about him.
This. All of them seem like great guys to hang out with and learn from. Cool to hear Alive suggesting to Coach Lee that they should sign Juan. TSL is by far my favourite team. Hopefully Juan can stay a long time if/when he comes back from Blizzcon. Best of luck to them all, and thanks to Artosis for documenting this! :D
This is what he aimed for i think he was always going to take this seriously, and i think he won't be someone you hear about now then disappears for ages, i think he can make an impact sooner. And it's gonna be pretty cool to see.
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